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I doubt Apple cares about the success or not of the Air as it is effectively an engineering first step towards the flip iPhonePad double screen device. The Air is half of the iPhonePad and I'm sure has been helpful in the roadmap for that device.
 
No video out is a no buy for me, I was wondering if I made the right decision and I’m glad I went with the pro though it feels so unnecessarily large. Still wish these phones were smaller
 
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Imagine claiming to love the iPA but then complaining about the two things that allow it to exist (battery, camera). So what you mean is you want the iphone pro.

Imagine buying a Lambo and complaining it isn't great for crosscountry roadtrips in the winter.
 
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JungleNYC said:
Apple's "thin, thin, thin" innovation trajectory was always going to end in tears.

People have been questioning this obsession for years, especially at the expense of battery life and other key features. The iPhone Air is a perfect example of how that obsession eventually creates untenable compromises that even the most loyal fans and early adopters can't abide.

All that said… I find it interesting that the MacBook Airs are NOT "thin, thin, thin" anymore, but instead are just feature-stripped versions of the Pros.
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There is little difference in average thickness between the wedge-shaped Air and the new Macbook Air design introduced with the M2 chip. The wedge Air is considerably thicker than the new Air design in its thickest part and considerably thinner at the edge of the wedge. But on average, it's pretty much the same as the uniform thickness of the M2 Air. This is further borne out by the fact that their weights are nearly equal, with the new Air design being .1 pound lighter than the old wedge Air.
 
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justanotherdave said:
Define “flop”. Several iPhones have been called flops in the past (like the SE) but when actual sales numbers are available we find their “flops” outsold competitors.

The Pixel is the real definition of a flop. Apple sells as many iPhones in their slowest quarter of the year as Google has sold Pixels in the past 7 years combined.
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There is not going to be another AIR next year, that's my definition.
 
whiteashsaturday said:
The iPhone Air is perfect. Large and lightweight, the air MagSafe charger since purchase has let me never plug in my phone to charge. I just set it on the battery wherever I want. Then when you use it you set the battery aside.

So sad Steve no longer does the tutorials on stage of how to use the products, no one knows how to use a battery extender.
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If it was perfect, this conversation wouldn't exist, i'm not saying is not perfect for you or more people, but for the majority, it is not. and people have spoken with their wallets, same thing happens with EV's even when the average driver doesn't Do 1000 miles trips often, most people will try to get the EV with the biggest battery that they can afford.
 
marte91 said:
If it was perfect, this conversation wouldn't exist, i'm not saying is not perfect for you or more people, but for the majority, it is not. and people have spoken with their wallets, same thing happens with EV's even when the average driver doesn't Do 1000 miles trips often, most people will try to get the EV with the biggest battery that they can afford.
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In more transportation friendly areas they have battery swap stations for scooters that take seconds to hotswop and go.

I owned a first gen $600 iPhone, and everyone made fun of me for overpaying. I now own the first Air line model, and people still make fun. Some things will never change those blind to the future.
 
I need to get my mini on a diet - I would love a mini as thin as the Air 💨

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whiteashsaturday said:
In more transportation friendly areas they have battery swap stations for scooters that take seconds to hotswop and go.

I owned a first gen $600 iPhone, and everyone made fun of me for overpaying. I now own the first Air line model, and people still make fun. Some things will never change those blind to the future.
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No, it is just that people have different priorities, in this case not every one care to the limitations of the AIR, versus the benefits.
 
Exponent said:
I vaguely remember that EV trucks don't do all that well with range when towing. I'm sure that's a ding people make on the Tesla Cybertruck. (Home of many dings...)

I'm sure you'll do your research, maybe my vague memory is off.
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All trucks, gas or electric, take a huge hit to range when towing. With gas trucks you can easily refill but that’s not as easy with electric.

We’re getting the top-end Sierra EV with the large battery which has excellent range. Even when towing we shouldn’t have any problems getting to the next RV site.

The real benefit is that many RV campgrounds have 240V 50A electrical service to power those monster motor homes (50A services existed long before EVs).

This means when parked at a campground we can charge our EV truck. I’ve ran some preliminary numbers and I believe I could drive coast-to-coast and never spend a dollar on charging by utilizing shore power at campgrounds.
 
marte91 said:
they already slow down components production, if there is not an uptick in sales they won't produce the Air for their next update cycle.
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Again this is incorrect because this will be to do with the chip inside & WiFi chip and the camera lens for example not the actual cancellation of the air series just that model as it will get replaced with an updated one come next September and they will according to reports remove the base model and then sales of the air line will increase naturally because then that option is not available
 
sw1tcher said:
It’s called the “sold out” strategy, and it’s quietly shaping modern retail psychology. The tactic is simple: limit inventory or pretend to. When customers see an item disappear, they assume it’s valuable. They rush to buy it next time. They set notifications, join waitlists, even sign up for newsletters just to be “first to know” when it comes back. Scarcity creates urgency and urgency converts. In a world where everyone has too many choices, “unavailable” feels like the ultimate endorsement.
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Correct. And meanwhile in the financial news outlets we often see that when something doesn't sell more than the previous model: horror stories, while the actual buying customers are happy.

But then again, sometimes you need to just try to see if a product variation works and sells.
How does it compare to the iPhone mini models in sales?
 
Powerbooky said:
Correct. And meanwhile in the financial news outlets we often see that when something doesn't sell more than the previous model: horror stories, while the actual buying customers are happy.

But then again, sometimes you need to just try to see if a product variation works and sells.
How does it compare to the iPhone mini models in sales?
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It’s not about comparing it to the iPhone mini sales when you compare the air with the base 17 model it’s not worth it & that’s the issue
However once Apple remove the base model next September then sales will increase because then it’s competing with the 16E & the pro model
 
charlesnyc said:
There is little difference in average thickness between the wedge-shaped Air and the new Macbook Air design introduced with the M2 chip. The wedge Air is considerably thicker than the new Air design in its thickest part and considerably thinner at the edge of the wedge. But on average, it's pretty much the same as the uniform thickness of the M2 Air. This is further borne out by the fact that their weights are nearly equal, with the new Air design being .1 pound lighter than the old wedge Air.
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Yup. It was a wedge.

My point is more around the fact that they seemed to have abandoned "thinness" in the laptop arena as the differentiator of what make it an "air".
 
DoctorMesmer said:
That’s GM off the list of possible new cars for me, then.
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I have a 2018 Suburban and love it for my use case. The vehicle, for me, can sure take a beating on road and off-road in the middle of nowhere and I've been lucky to not have any major problems.

It's stuff like this that really makes me mad. They want to lock down the consumer's data so they can, "Build better experiences," but it eliminates choice. I don't want some corporation telling me how I should use a product, when they've already demonstrated that they can accommodate alternatives in the infotainment space. I severely dislike most of the software the big makers put out and knowing they're dropping support for plug and play alternatives is enough for me to not consider purchasing from them. If they offered a significantly better experience and could actually achieve some benefit over what a software company can achieve, then I'd consider it, but their track record is particularly bad. Get ready for the ensh**ification of the car infotainment system and a subscription that will be required to unlock features of the car. No thank you!
 
Bregalad said:
The first thing I do with a new phone is put it in a new case so I'll never buy one with a wraparound display, but I wonder how the case free people are supposed to use such a device. You won't be able to hold your phone without constant multiple touches happening. Is it going to use AI to try to guess which touches are legitimate attempts to interact and which ones are just shifting the phone slightly in your hand? Ridiculous
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My guess is that Apple either won't put any touchscreen user interface elements on the sides of the all-glass slab iPhone, or they'll just put a few virtual screen-based buttons in the same locations as the current physical side buttons, so that you can use muscle memory to hold this glass slab iPhone in the same way we hold the current iPhones, so that we won't be pressing on these buttons unless we make a specific effort to do so. The rest of the edge screen may be used just to show your wallpaper, etc., and/or maybe Siri's multicolored wakeup ring will be move to the edges.
 
Bigbuddy1 said:
It’s not about comparing it to the iPhone mini sales when you compare the air with the base 17 model it’s not worth it & that’s the issue
However once Apple remove the base model next September then sales will increase because then it’s competing with the 16E & the pro model
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I know, but I’m just wondering if there’s a similarity when the mini models were “competing” with the base model back then.
 
Bigbuddy1 said:
Again this is incorrect because this will be to do with the chip inside & WiFi chip and the camera lens for example not the actual cancellation of the air series just that model as it will get replaced with an updated one come next September and they will according to reports remove the base model and then sales of the air line will increase naturally because then that option is not available
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I didn't imply that the phone was already cancelled, but that there is a real possibility this will be the final outcome of the Air.
 
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marte91 said:
I didn't imply that the phone was already cancelled, but that there is a real possibility this will be the final outcome of the Air.
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the AIR looks out of place right now because of how the line up currently is however if no base model gets released next September and then an updated air model gets released then it will sell more because of how the line up will look
 
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