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Torn between Apple Watch Sport & SS
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Why I am getting the SS.
1)Sapphire Screen - I am a bit paranoid about scratches and I do not want to worry as much while I am out and about. Being more ACTIVE
. I have been told that a Sapphire screen is a must on a watch you will wear everyday.
2)Stainless Steel - Although I think the Space Grey Aluminum looks great, I want something a bit more dressy. I want a watch that is a bit more visually striking and the SS has the edge.
3)Band Compatibility - It seems that the SS model has the most band compatibility (personal preference). Although I will not be spending $450 for an apple link bracelet, I am sure someone will make a much cheaper one in a few months after release.
It really is personal preference with the exception of the Sapphire display. That was really what sold me.
1)Sapphire Screen - I am a bit paranoid about scratches and I do not want to worry as much while I am out and about. Being more ACTIVE
. I have been told that a Sapphire screen is a must on a watch you will wear everyday.2)Stainless Steel - Although I think the Space Grey Aluminum looks great, I want something a bit more dressy. I want a watch that is a bit more visually striking and the SS has the edge.
3)Band Compatibility - It seems that the SS model has the most band compatibility (personal preference). Although I will not be spending $450 for an apple link bracelet, I am sure someone will make a much cheaper one in a few months after release.
It really is personal preference with the exception of the Sapphire display. That was really what sold me.
I was torn also, but I decided that I'll get the Space Black link bracelet but I'll buy a separate sport band if I decide to change it for certain situations like working out.
Keep going back and forth on this, 5% chance I will get the space grey sport, 80% chance I'll get SS with black sport band, black leather loop and Milanese loop and 15% chance I'll get the black SS with a blue leather loop.
Spending this much money on a first generation product that might have a 6-12 month refresh cycle feels very wasteful...
Spending this much money on a first generation product that might have a 6-12 month refresh cycle feels very wasteful...
I'm in the same position, just the leather buckle instead of the loop. Also I keep telling myself not to get the spce grey sport since it probably won't match any of the SS bands
Your argument is a logical fallacy. It's called the straw man argument.
"The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern: Person A has position X."
Let me break it down for you.
They think that the cost of the product should equal the cost of materials used to make that product = X.
Person A is myself.
Show me where I explicitly said that products should equal the cost of materials? You can't because I never said it.
Now that I've broken apart your statement to oblivion. Let me explain it like I would a child since you can't seem to understand words.
Apple charges 400 dollars for a product and 1100 dollars for the same product. There's no difference besides the casing. Don't get me started on the gold watch which is the biggest rip off of them all.
OH fyi:
http://www.steelonthenet.com/steel-prices.html - steel = ~$600/ metric ton.
http://www.vincentmetals.com/Daily_Aluminum_Prices.html - Aluminum is .80 cents a pound. = $1763.696/metric ton - aluminum actually costs A LOT more.
"The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern: Person A has position X."
Let me break it down for you.
They think that the cost of the product should equal the cost of materials used to make that product = X.
Person A is myself.
Show me where I explicitly said that products should equal the cost of materials? You can't because I never said it.
Now that I've broken apart your statement to oblivion. Let me explain it like I would a child since you can't seem to understand words.
Apple charges 400 dollars for a product and 1100 dollars for the same product. There's no difference besides the casing. Don't get me started on the gold watch which is the biggest rip off of them all.
OH fyi:
http://www.steelonthenet.com/steel-prices.html - steel = ~$600/ metric ton.
http://www.vincentmetals.com/Daily_Aluminum_Prices.html - Aluminum is .80 cents a pound. = $1763.696/metric ton - aluminum actually costs A LOT more.
This is what always fascinates me with people in these forums. They think that the cost of the product should equal the cost of materials used to make that product. Everything else is taken out of the equation
You are right, you never said it.
What you said was
So were willing to place a bet that the cost of making this product is no where near $350!! Are you mad? Of course it won't be any close to the selling price. Apple is a business company and not exactly mother Teresa one. So yeah, you did not say it exactly as you put it above but you cleary did imply it.
I think I'm pretty solid now on my decision to get the Silver SS with white sport band and either blue buckle or blue loop bracelet. I have a blue leather case trend going with my iOS devices and I'm sticking to it.
that looks nice but i'd be temped to play with the magnetic closure system.
What's so good about the ceramic back on the SS
I'm not sure we're you got those numbers from, but the Brinell hardness of 7000 series aluminum is around 150.
http://asm.matweb.com/search/SpecificMaterial.asp?bassnum=MA7075T6
It doesn't matter what alloy of aluminum is used, heat treated 316 stainless steel is going to be far more durable than any kind of aluminum alloy. Don't kid yourself into thinking that this is some special kind of aluminum that's almost as hard as stainless steel.
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Lol, did you just Google it? Non-converted Brinell hardness is useless for comparing tensile strength. Using the SAME SOURCE you just quoted--(http://asm.matweb.com/search/SpecificMaterial.asp?bassnum=MQ316P)
says 316L has a Brinell hardness rating of 146(!). Lower than 7000 series aluminum. My numbers were correct.
I'd get the black aluminum but it doesn't match the milenese loop or modern buckle that I want. SS it is
7000 series aluminum can made super strong and at the same time being amazingly light. Most F1 cars use aluminum heads and block, To save weight aluminum is also a better heat conductor as well. It also way more expensive than steel, and when anodized it makes the surface really hard to scratch. This is a $800 Hollow Gram crankset, from Cannondale on my CAAD 10 anodized black. Take a look at the chain rings, it's black right? Well it's being that way for a 500mi. And will stay like that for a long time. With anodizing it's like the paint is imbedded in the aluminum. This crankset is also 3D froge making it really strong. So don't be so quick to dismiss aluminum, because it's uesd more than steel to manufacture different products all over the world. Aluminum also looks very nice when polished.
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I'm not dismissing aluminum at all. I'm just disagreeing with the notion that it's almost as hard and durable as heat treated stainless steel.
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You are looking at the numbers for annealed 316 SS. After it's machined SS is heat treated and it's hardness can be as high as 217. I was a machinist for many years, and I know these materials pretty well.
It may not be hard as treated SS, but when aluminum is treated it can be very!!!!!! Strong. When I built my Supra some years ago. I use forge Pistons as part of the build, 800hp monster. Guest what the pistons material was? forge aluminum. Here is the deal, is the Apple watch sport treated aluminum durable enough as the SS and Gold for everyday use? Absolutely!!! Even with the Ion x glass. At the end of day its all about choices, u get which ever watch that's right for u. But what I don't understand is some of the comments here, like I am not getting the Apple watch sport. Because its going to dent and be scratch to death. A mean are they going to use it for a hammer or sanding? Some of these comments is just ridiculous to say the least.
I'm certainly not suggesting that it's not going to be at all durable or is going to be dented and scratched to death in a week, or that the Sport Watch is a piece of junk, but the fact remains that SS is much harder, stronger and more durable than aluminum. If I couldn't afford the SS version, then I would be getting the Sport, but I know myself and that I'm quite likely to accidentally whack my watch against things. Obviously sapphire crystal and SS is going to hold up much better against dings and scratches that aluminum and Ion-X glass.