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dopefiend said:
Well, you can't say never.

One day they will be.

More likely one day everything is going to be solid state. Screw spin rates. Hard drives are now the slowest components in a computer. If/When we get past needing moving parts in our mass storage device we will see computing take on a whole different dimension.
 
60 gig...iPod at Home or whatever its called is definetly on the cards for Tiger. I hope they figure out an elegant way of handling it with synching to machines with larger HDD - some sort of graohical and logical partitioning or selection system about what goes on the pod. iDisk on steriods.

Multiple computer "accounts" on one pod would be useful for soem as well.

Wish they would build in bluetooth or even wifi into a pod. Maybe next year or 2006...
 
Rotational speed is fine on these drives. And their smaller platters allow for faster seeking.

There is no reason one of these couldn't be used in a new, super-sassy 12" Powerbook... the machine that could bring me back to Mac if it existed.
 
rogo said:
Rotational speed is fine on these drives. And their smaller platters allow for faster seeking.

There is no reason one of these couldn't be used in a new, super-sassy 12" Powerbook... the machine that could bring me back to Mac if it existed.

4200RPM drives are painfully slow. I went from a 40GB 4200RPM to a 60GB 5400RPM and the speed diff IS noticeable.
 
Is a 5400RPM drive standard in PowerBooks now? If so, I really wish I had the balls to open up my PowerBook and install one of those IBM DeskStar 7200RPM 80GBs. This thing is nice, but it'd be nicer if hitting the swap file wasn't so damn painful.

--Cless
 
JGowan said:
You would NOT want to see these drives in laptops. While they serve up music quite handily, the are no where near as powerful as the typical 5400 RPM Harddrives in laptops. I don't know how fast they are, but I know they couldn't be of any use in laptops.
I would beg to differ.

They are already being used in some laptops. Seem to work okay.

Sushi
 
pkradd said:
A very bad idea. Hasn't anyone noticed how slow these drives are compared to the current laptop ones? They will never be used in the Powerbooks as they simply cannot spin as fast as the larger drives (which means slower access).
It all depends on what you are using your laptop/Powerbook for.

This particular computer works fine:

http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/pcmm1h3w/text/p2.html

Sushi
 
SiliconAddict said:
As for your optimal comment. *Sighs* The iPod is a successful product for numerous reason. One of the bigger ones is that we can carry not part but all of our songs with us. I refuse to accept this optimal BS. I want all my music with me. If I'm in the mood for something out of the norm I don't want to have to drag out my laptop to get ahold of a dang track. Its all or nothing as far as I'm concerned.

I'll second that. I have about 10GB of music (my entire collection minus the songs on CDs I didn't want) and love having it all with me everyday. I listen to things I didn't bother looking for in the endless CD racks and have rediscovered a lot of music from years gone by. I use it at work everyday and my staff always comments on my diverse collection and tastes and they rarely hear songs repeated.

So you can keep your optimal BS studies and buy what you want. I'll take my entire collection to go and the CDs stored in the basement.
 
SiliconAddict said:
4200RPM drives are painfully slow. I went from a 40GB 4200RPM to a 60GB 5400RPM and the speed diff IS noticeable.
Again, it all depends on what you are doing with your computer.

In some cases anything less than a 7200, is slow.

In other cases, anything faster than a floppy is okay! Well not really. But hopefully you get my point. :D

Sushi
 
Cless said:
Is a 5400RPM drive standard in PowerBooks now? If so, I really wish I had the balls to open up my PowerBook and install one of those IBM DeskStar 7200RPM 80GBs. This thing is nice, but it'd be nicer if hitting the swap file wasn't so damn painful.

--Cless

Got a 12". Did it - plonked an 80GB 5400RPM drive in the beast. It wasn't difficult, just time consuming. There were photos from a guy on the net who's done it - very useful. Made a big difference, too - startup time's dropped considerably.
 
yeah i'm itching to put one of those 7200 RPM drives in my laptop. i doubt it'll happen anytime soon. it would definitely increase the life on my powerbook. if 60 GB means the cheaper iPod will have a higher capacity or the lower capacity iPod a cheaper price, great. but i'm waiting for good battery life. (and money to actually buy it. all talk.)

on the speed note of the smaller drives in a laptop, say 60 GB was all you really needed. now i'm not sure what this RAID thing is, but i'm going to make something up. just have a second copy of your hard drive at all times on the second drive. then not only are you better off if something bad happens, you've got two different drives searching for the same data. maybe saving wouldn't be any faster, but retrieval should be quicker right? (refer to the previous sentence about me knowing nothing about it).
 
ifjake said:
yeah i'm itching to put one of those 7200 RPM drives in my laptop. i doubt it'll happen anytime soon. it would definitely increase the life on my powerbook. if 60 GB means the cheaper iPod will have a higher capacity or the lower capacity iPod a cheaper price, great. but i'm waiting for good battery life. (and money to actually buy it. all talk.)

on the speed note of the smaller drives in a laptop, say 60 GB was all you really needed. now i'm not sure what this RAID thing is, but i'm going to make something up. just have a second copy of your hard drive at all times on the second drive. then not only are you better off if something bad happens, you've got two different drives searching for the same data. maybe saving wouldn't be any faster, but retrieval should be quicker right? (refer to the previous sentence about me knowing nothing about it).

yes. thats raid
 
Well, it's a bit more complex than that. There are different amounts of mirroring... And they result in different speed gains, including, in some case, when writing, too.
 
i'm still digging my 80GB Archos ($420) and its only about half an inch bigger than the ipod.. c'mon apple... catch up.
 
sushi said:
Agreed.

Wonder how big (size and capacity) the initial ones will be?

Sushi

Probably only big enough to handle the OS and a few apps. I think for the forseeable future any RAM disk is going to be used for active data while any mass storage such as video, audio, game files will remain on a standard hard disk. There is only one company I know of that is currently doing this:

http://www.go-l.com/desktops/machl35/architecture/index.htm

Scroll down to PuRAM:

PuRam™ - The future, today.

Introducing the first desktop computer configurable WITHOUT a system hard drive. The Operating system and system files reside on a PuRam™ solid state flash disk with near zero latency and seek times, and burst transfer rates at up to 7.0GB/s I/O, capable of over 150,000 I/O requests per second, all with an average of 0.0% CPU utilization. This translates into an effective desktop business productivity of up to 100 times faster than the fastest available hard disk design at any price or configuration. These are non-volatile units just like a regular hard drive with a permanent storage cycle. There are no more virtual memory or swap file delays (since they are as fast as RAM), and there are no more System Disk Defrags (memory is random so it does not need defragging). Windows boots-up in seconds, load your games and apps in seconds, and start any program virtually instantly. Also moving, copying, or working on large files has literally no slow-down affect in the blistering fast computing speed. Furthermore, PuRam™ Drives are extremely resistant to shock, vibration, and temperature variations, while providing unprecedented performance and superior durability. Allied to our CacheFlow™ technology, the PuRam™ Drives give your audio, video, CAD, graphic, gaming, industrial, or scientific applications the most, compelling and unmatched data through output speeds. Absolutely like no other.

Two problems with this. 1. I have yet to see anyone buy one of these systems for good reason. Insanly expensive. 2. They are forcing, forget bleeding edge, gushing edge technoloegy into a computer that no one short of Bill Gates or Steve Jobs can afford. This tech isn't ready for prime time yet. But by 2010? Count on it. When these drives hit mainstream computers I really do beleve it is going to change computing just as the hard drive changed computing when it came out.
We all owe our entire computing expierance to the hard drive. Its ugly, its slow, its a packmule, but its allowed us to do some pretty dang impressive things with our computer. I mean who could have imagined how much porn a person could store....oops I said to much ;) :D

PS- I've gotten 2 MP's from people who don't believe that I have 38GB's of tunes. Why is it so hard to believe? Between my days at Napster, the various P2P sites, and now iTMS and allofmp3.com for the albums that iTMS doesn’t have 38GB isn’t a whole heck of a lot of music. :confused:
 
russed said:
surely this now makes it obvious that the ipod is going to have some form of video capebility and do it properly!

The success of the iPod mini just the way it is -- 4 GB -- along with the news of the 60 GB drive highlights the two separate directions this market is going right now.

First, people are buying the mini in droves and NOT complaining that it's too small. (I recently took my 15 GB iPod off auto-pilot and started paring down a lot of the extraneous s***. There were bands in my artists list that I had never listened to, and scrolling forever and ever was getting old.) A thousand songs is plenty for day-to-day playlists. People are adding and deleting as they go.

Second, Moore's Law is going to keep growing these hard drives, and Apple is going to find more uses that take up space.

I think this dual market is going to further differentiate in the next few years.
 
heh....am I the only person in here that has a MP3 collection significantally larger than any iPod offered?? I'm at 395.3GB right now and it wouldnt suprise me at all if I reach and/or pass 400GB in the next few days...maybe a week.

60gb drive = WIN

Most of the stuff I listen to can easily be 120MB+ for one MP3 so the mini-iPod wasnt going to cut it for me. I get enough new music that the extra storage space will be nice so I can space out updating the unit rather than another 4gb ever or day or whatever.

I just recently won an eBay auction for a 40GB iPod but the seller hasnt shipped and it looks like he never will (scammers can choke on a buck of cocks please). Thankfully I paid via Paypal with credit card so even if they don't recover money from his account I can still do a chargeback on my Visa and make PP eat it. (i'm not a big fan of Paypal, dont get me started)

Anyway as I was saying, bigger = :) I just hope it will...

1) Cost $500
2) Not have a bunch of extra *crap* that doesn't help make it a better AUDIO player. (ex: color,video,toenail clippers, PEZ dispensor)
3) Come out Septemberish?? (wishful thinking)
4) Maybe beef up the battery (yeah yeah I know) to the larger size that was in the 2g models (larger mAh in older bats right?)
5) **this is in my dreams** Come in a flat-black color :) I'd even settle for a shiny-black.

I've been waiting forever to finally buy an iPod, hopefully the 60GB will be a hot-ticket. Note to any Apple employees that would be willing to use their employee discount to buy a 60GB model and then pass the savings along to me, just let me know :)

Tap
 
i remember when, in the early days of napster (only 5 years ago?), i was content with a teeny mp3 player that had two 16 mb cards i could swap in and out to play a full album, compressed and crappy-sounding (probably 64k mp3)

now ive filled my 15 gb ipod, 1000x the capacity of my original mp3 player and with my headphones, wont settle for less than 256k aac.

its crazy!
 
Tap said:
heh....am I the only person in here that has a MP3 collection significantally larger than any iPod offered?? I'm at 395.3GB right now and it wouldnt suprise me at all if I reach and/or pass 400GB in the next few days...maybe a week.

60gb drive = WIN

Most of the stuff I listen to can easily be 120MB+ for one MP3 so the mini-iPod wasnt going to cut it for me. I get enough new music that the extra storage space will be nice so I can space out updating the unit rather than another 4gb ever or day or whatever.

I just recently won an eBay auction for a 40GB iPod but the seller hasnt shipped and it looks like he never will (scammers can choke on a buck of cocks please). Thankfully I paid via Paypal with credit card so even if they don't recover money from his account I can still do a chargeback on my Visa and make PP eat it. (i'm not a big fan of Paypal, dont get me started)

Anyway as I was saying, bigger = :) I just hope it will...

1) Cost $500
2) Not have a bunch of extra *crap* that doesn't help make it a better AUDIO player. (ex: color,video,toenail clippers, PEZ dispensor)
3) Come out Septemberish?? (wishful thinking)
4) Maybe beef up the battery (yeah yeah I know) to the larger size that was in the 2g models (larger mAh in older bats right?)
5) **this is in my dreams** Come in a flat-black color :) I'd even settle for a shiny-black.

I've been waiting forever to finally buy an iPod, hopefully the 60GB will be a hot-ticket. Note to any Apple employees that would be willing to use their employee discount to buy a 60GB model and then pass the savings along to me, just let me know :)

Tap

What, you are NOT telling me you have nearly 10 times as much music as I have. That's inconcievable! Are you storing in in DVD audio format or something? holy crap.
 
dontmatter said:
What, you are NOT telling me you have nearly 10 times as much music as I have. That's inconcievable! Are you storing in in DVD audio format or something? holy crap.

Heh, I DVD audio, these are just MP3s backed up onto CDRs.

Archive Stats:

Diskspace: 395.3GB
Total duration: 4972.3 Hours
Average bitrate: 190kbps
Volume count (CDs): 580
Folder count: 3326
File count: 10915

I tell myself if there is ever a fire I know what i'm going to grab first.....too bad the 580 CDs are held in a bunch of 64cd wallets/cases. I decided to do that because then if I were to lose one somehow I wouldnt take such a hit like if I were to have it split into a couple 264cd wallets.

95% of the CDs are "long-strategy" dye based (TY media). Not too sure at this point how much that will make a difference 5 or 10 years down the road but i'm sure by then CDs will be what old 5.25" floppy disks or punch cards are like today.

Best part is the collection is keyword searchable, makes finding stuff MUCH easier. :)

Tap
 
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