I'm also not a violent person and I don't wish to harm anyone. But I too would like to virtually slap every single person who designed the 2016 Macbook Pro.
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'Touch Bar' Trending on Twitter Following Rumors It'll Be Removed on 2021 MacBook Pro
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I got my 2016 MBP 15" because I needed the GPU, but was indifferent about it having the Touch Bar. After having it with that machine, I cant imagine going back to useless F keys. I really enjoy the predictive text and sliders for brightness/sound and of course emojis 🤗
I just ordered the new M1 MBP mainly because of the Touch Bar and extra battery life over the air model 🥳
I just ordered the new M1 MBP mainly because of the Touch Bar and extra battery life over the air model 🥳
I think Apple is willing to part with the touchbar because it plans to introduce touch screen functionality at some point after it is gone. There is no point in having a touchbar and a touchscreen. IMHO
That's why I'm typing on an M1 Air instead of an M1 13" Pro.
I can actually appreciate Apple trying to innovate here, especially as people so heavily look to them to do so, but I've sorely missed the dedicated audio keys of the traditional keyboard
Huh? I use Function keys 100x/day to change the volume, brightness, and play/pause/skip songs. The Touchbar just makes these simple use cases much harder.Never understood the hate... Discrete numbered function keys are dumb in this day and age, and probably for that reason they’re also underused.
I never used the Touch Bar on the MacBook, but I did use it on a Lenovo laptop and it was such an annoying and unnecessary thing to have on the keyboard.
Won’t be missed.
Won’t be missed.
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I recently bought a MacBook Pro M1, and before that I never had a mac with a touchbar.
In my experience, at first you gotta learn what it's good for, what it's functions are, the position of those functions etc. but once you get used to it, it's actually get your things done faster than a keyboard short cut, that is: less clicks, and less energy spent.
In conclusion, i believe that those who complain about it are just those who were too lazy to figure it out and get used to a new thing, so they just kept using the shortcuts they knew, and blamed the touchbar to be useless.
But honestly, to blame is the one who sticks with what it learned, without making efforts to adapt to new things, even if those ultimately bring improvement in productivity.
I recently bought a MacBook Pro M1, and before that I never had a mac with a touchbar.
In my experience, at first you gotta learn what it's good for, what it's functions are, the position of those functions etc. but once you get used to it, it's actually get your things done faster than a keyboard short cut, that is: less clicks, and less energy spent.
In conclusion, i believe that those who complain about it are just those who were too lazy to figure it out and get used to a new thing, so they just kept using the shortcuts they knew, and blamed the touchbar to be useless.
But honestly, to blame is the one who sticks with what it learned, without making efforts to adapt to new things, even if those ultimately bring improvement in productivity.
1000 times yes! Useless, hard to use, unreliable. CRAP.
Do you remember in the introduction keynote when some dj was using the Touch Bar to play some tune? That was one of the most embarrassing moments I remember in an Apple keynote !
I personally don't share an extreme hate of it, but I kinda get the more extreme reactions to it. Imagine for a second you needed a 15" of 16" MacBook Pro (For dedicated GPU and larger screen, etc) and the only way you could get one was with a touchbar.
You're someone that has gotten used to the tactile feeling of keys and have muscle memory of when to use certain function keys. Along comes effectively a touch screen that's a slim bar, that registers accidental presses far easier than physical keys you have to press, goes to sleep when it wants to, and in the earlier versions got rid of the escape key. It's constantly shifting to the context, which some like, but you're someone who's used to function keys. Sure, you can just turn on the function key ability to always show, but then you're still stuck with the lack of a key feel.
You also realize your function key row is hard to use in sunlight, and even though it's gotten better, still crashes intermittently making you ask yourself: "Why can't I just get this computer I paid almost 3k for without the Touch Bar?"
With that explanation, I could certainly understand why people would be upset that Apple gives you no choice on larger models with better performance to opt out of it, and only allows you to make that decision on smaller models that until recently (Until the next version of M1/M1X comes out) couldn't hold a candle to the performance of the larger machines. If you need a dedicated GPU, you have to get a Touch Bar, no option.
Cool. Would you pay $200 for it if it's an upgradeable option instead?
I don't mind the touch bar ... used it to position media/brightness/lock/etc control "buttons" ... hardware button give it less customization options ... but I could be 1 of 1000 people using it that way.
For me the touchbars biggest issue wasn't that I am never looking at it, or that it doesn't show useful content, or that it simply replicates content that is already on the main display but rather that the touchbar is to sensitive and if you really get in the groove and start typing and hit it by accident each subsequent keystroke takes you down a crazy path you never wanted to take.
I'm sure it's great if you peck at your keyboard, but if you are typing 70+ words a minute the touchbar causes more problems than it could ever solve.
I'm sure it's great if you peck at your keyboard, but if you are typing 70+ words a minute the touchbar causes more problems than it could ever solve.
I'm indifferent to the touch bar. It's helpful in MS Office where it allows me to use many of the font editors while on a smaller laptop screen without having to go through condensed sub menus. However, there are times when it would be much easier to just change the volume with a physical key as I do on my iMac. There are pros/cons to the device. As a massively heavy Office user, I think I'd lean towards keeping it.
I'm missing something ... so you think that the MacBook Pro without the Touch Bar would be $200 less?
Hopefully they'll remove it, I know hundreds of people who despise it. Even with betterTouchTool it really offers nothing other than another subpar display mostly for slower interactions.
I thought it was a $400 markup. Where is that extra $200 going?
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I'm going to say this: the rage against the TouchBar is unwarranted.
We humans blame the wrong thing all the time.
The REAL source of anger here is that Apple REMOVED the function keys, which was idiotic.
I can see the benefits of having a configurable row ABOVE the function keys, where it will not interfere with touch typists and allow for extra customizable tools for those that actually use it.
There is NOTHING (inherently) wrong with the TouchBar, except for the way Apple used it.
But as always, the problem is that Apple always gives you something but then takes something away.
We humans blame the wrong thing all the time.
The REAL source of anger here is that Apple REMOVED the function keys, which was idiotic.
I can see the benefits of having a configurable row ABOVE the function keys, where it will not interfere with touch typists and allow for extra customizable tools for those that actually use it.
There is NOTHING (inherently) wrong with the TouchBar, except for the way Apple used it.
But as always, the problem is that Apple always gives you something but then takes something away.
I think if Apple were to make it an optional upgrade, it'd probably cost $300-$400. But the actual hardware cost? It's probably not as cheap as you think. It's an OLED touch display. And not to mention all the software engineering work Apple needs to provide for it.
Apple please do not listen to these ludites. Keep the touch bar and bring it to the iMac keyboard as well.
All you have to do is make it always on, like the new apple watch face and make it far more user configurable. Then people will start to realise the potential.
All you have to do is make it always on, like the new apple watch face and make it far more user configurable. Then people will start to realise the potential.
I was responding more along the lines of "if they've removed it ... do you think they'll cut the price of the MacBook Pro" ...