iPod touch Touch CAPACITY - Why Doesn't Anyone CARE?

[tubemonkey]

I love how people with small libraries just list that they have small libraries such that that's somehow relevant to the argument that others with large libraries might want more capacity.

Tony

LOL

You're doing a great job in this thread. You clearly make the most sense.

 

[alphaone]

A terabyte worth of flash? Are you people kidding me?

You guys must have no grasp of where technology is at in its current form. SSDs aren't even up to 600GB capacity yet. Laptop HDDs just hit 1TB a little while ago.

To everyone who wants a 128GB iPod touch/iPhone, please send emails to Apple directly. Let them know that demand for this device is real!

Are you referring to my post with the 1TB of flash comment? If so, in that instance I was talking about regular magnetic hard drives and making a comparison on how all ipod touches and the classic are overpriced IMO right now.

The point I was trying to make is that I'm ok with the storage capacity, sure you can never have too much, but the real problem is the cost. If the price of these items were ~$100 less I (and many others I know) would probably be sold on the spot on the product. But otherwise, I'm sorry, but I just can't justify the cost for just a music/video player and wifi capable device (for the record I got my current ipod touch as part of the free ipod for students with a new computer deal). However, if it had data capability e.g. 3G, I would give it quite a bit more than a passing glance and a scowl.

That's my dilemma actually. I'm at a point where because of my current job a smartphone like the iphone or an android phone would be very beneficial to me both from a work productivity perspective and a personal use perspective (I'm out in the field for more than half of the year). Maybe it's time for me to move away from just plain ipods. But I use and like verizon so the only route to go is an android phone + microSD expansion. So I guess there you go. About the same cost as a 32GB new ipod touch, but with data, not to mention talk.



And referring to Zay1993's post above that is a valid argument and I think a lot of people feel that way, but for me that's basically double the cost and another very valuable thing to get lost, stolen or broken.

 

[tubemonkey]

Apple, like any other company without a monopoly on a high-end market, does not cater to outliers with large libraries like you.

It used to. That was their big feature for the hard drive players. Have people's habits changed that dramatically in the transition to flash storage? Did their libraries shrink? Why is storage no longer that important?

 

[ReallyBigFeet]

You must be young. Us older people have a LOT more music / videos. My library is like 250GB+, about which 120GB is music and the rest video. Most people I know have similar libraries. It's definitely NOT about having the top model - it's about what best my library will fit into.

Tony

I have almost 200 gigs in music and well over 30 TERAbytes in video content.

But this is on my home NAS. I think the reason I (and perhaps others) don't care about having 200+ gigs of storage on our iPods is that we don't feel the NEED to carry our entire library with us at all times. You do, for whatever reason, so I can see why this is relevant to you.

To the average iOwner, your library is your library, stored on your main computing device or network. The iPod is not your library....just a media player.

 

[miles01110]

It used to. That was their big feature for the hard drive players.

Yes, it used to.

Have people's habits changed that dramatically in the transition to flash storage? Did their libraries shrink? Why is storage no longer that important?

Because Apple says it's not. Just like Apple says you don't need an i* processor until 6 months after it comes out. Just like Apple says you need to hold it differently or use a case. If you don't like what Apple says you need, don't buy an Apple product. This is not new.

 

[tubemonkey]

If you don't like what Apple says you need, don't buy an Apple product.

That's exactly what I do. I don't own any Apple products and probably never will.

 

[allblur]

blame it on fame

It used to. That was their big feature for the hard drive players. Have people's habits changed that dramatically in the transition to flash storage? Did their libraries shrink? Why is storage no longer that important?

I blame it on fame, it wasn't until the iphone came out that we saw ipod touches, since then the transition from capacity to visuality had begun. The only reason people need big capacities now is because we're wanting to put everything and anything in our portable media players, I mean what would the point be if you had an mp3 player that plays music, video, takes photos, downloads games, podcasts and lasts for 40 hours, I doubt people have the to go home and sit in front of their computer all night trying to organize their playlists or movies they haven't seen, especially converting the movie formats from your dvd. And as mentioned before majority of ipod users are windows users so itunes ends up being the program least likely too be opened. You say we can't be bothered yet next time you get frustrated over that photo you wanted to show someone, or that song I have stuck in your head but can't recall properly or even just a simple song you had to give up since new ones are popping up like weeds over the net, don't you dare complain about not having enough space, don't you complain about having it but just not on your ipod, because people with larger libraries spend far more time looking after each song, checking the covers and albums names. It does matter, and think, if english songs are able to fill 50gbs what about people who understands other languages, there are many other genres out there and each genre contains their own 50gbs of mystic, if we knew at least two each, that already surpasses the 64gbs, to me 64gbs would only be enough for my playlist my whole library would need 250gbs at the least. And that doesn't include movies or games!

 

[jeffy.dee-lux]

Look, I'm always the one rolling my eyes at the people who complain about how Apple didn't come out with the product they were hoping for, but this case is a little different. For years there was a steady progression towards more storage/dollar. We started at 5 gigs, and made it all the way up to a whopping 80 TIMES THAT at 160GB. Now an update comes along, and there is an obvious sign of EOL for that product, and the next in line in terms of capacity offers less than half for almost double the price. The cost comes down to a bunch of new features and flash memory instead of a hard drive, which is all cool, but none of it really helps the core purpose of the original product, which was listening to music.
And I'm sorry, but there's a HUGE difference between being able to have all your music with you and having to pick and choose. I went for years without an iPod, till 2007, telling myself I had no need to carry that much music around and that one CD at a time was fine for me. Now I've had one for a few years, and now, wherever I am, if I decide I want to listen to music, I know that I can make my decision on the spot as to what I want to listen to. It's never a planning ahead kind of thing, I can browse through all my music and say "hey i haven't listened to that in a while".
I'm only 26 and I already have 31GB of music, pretty much all at 128kbps, and so I've finally reached the limit of my 30GB iPod. I've had to go through my library and decide which few albums I never listen to, but I've already been in a few situations where I want to show somebody some music, and then I realize it's left behind on my computer, because I had a moment where I thought I wouldn't want to listen to it.

I see a pretty clear analogy here... It's like Apple ditched the Mac Pro in favour of the more popular iMac, and in this thread we have a bunch of people poking fun at the silly Mac Pro users for lamenting the loss, simply because these iMac users can make do without a Mac Pro.

Its not just a situation with an update that didn't satisfy some specific wishes for a given product, its essentially an EOL for an entire type of device, I think it warrants discussion! Personally, I was hoping for a cheap, click wheel Classic with 64GB flash, or even just an updated Classic with an HDD at a lower price point and with an updated interface. I don't need or want to pay for mobile internet, touch screen, apps, and pointless low-res cameras on my music player.

 

[miles01110]

Then buy a Zune or an older iPod. Why do the "large library complainers" feel that they're entitled to an update when the existing models do just fine?

 

[OllyW]

I don't need or want to pay for mobile internet, touch screen, apps, and pointless low-res cameras on my music player.

Well said. It will be a sad day when Apple drop the iPod classic.

 

[jeffy.dee-lux]

Then buy a Zune or an older iPod. Why do the "large library complainers" feel that they're entitled to an update when the existing models do just fine?

OBVIOUSLY that's an option, come on, I'm not an idiot. The whole point of this thread is to point out that it's too bad that Apple will no longer be developing well designed products for this segment that integrates well with their computers and software.

 

[br0adband]

Two words for people:

Streaming and AirPlay

Better get used to it. Local storage is becoming passe in today's wirelessly connected world. Why bother dragging around (metaphorically speaking) every piece of media you own, even in a digital format, when you can access it from pretty much anywhere? That way you never get stuck in a situation where it's "Oh crap, I forgot to put <x> on my iPod/iPhone/iPad..." and more appropriately "Oh crap, I forgot to put <x> on my iPod/iPhone/iPad... no big deal, it's on my machine at home, lemme stream it..."

Geez people, get with the new millennium will ya?

 

[darkplanets]

If you're using your touch for video... well yes, that's sad. Such a small screen + crappy format = sad end user here.

My video library is currently sitting around 1.5TB here, and while they're primarily mkv's with 5.1 or "HD" sound with subtitles for every language known to man, even if they were to be stripped down, put to stereo audio, and down converted to a lower resolution/different format they would still consume far more space than the iPod has to offer. Am I complaining? Nope. As far as I'm concerned its not really meant for movies, until it starts supporting mkvs or other formats.

As for the music, yeah, there are certain limitations. I have a 40GB music library of 320 mp3s that I shuffle between devices. While size is definitely a limiting factor, I'd say the lack of support for flac makes it a far worse deal than the storage size.

Of course this all really is just a moot thread, since capacity sizes are merely determined by the current flash memory pricing, and nothing else.

 

[Tones2]

Two words for people:

Streaming and AirPlay

Better get used to it. Local storage is becoming passe in today's wirelessly connected world. Why bother dragging around (metaphorically speaking) every piece of media you own, even in a digital format, when you can access it from pretty much anywhere? That way you never get stuck in a situation where it's "Oh crap, I forgot to put <x> on my iPod/iPhone/iPad..." and more appropriately "Oh crap, I forgot to put <x> on my iPod/iPhone/iPad... no big deal, it's on my machine at home, lemme stream it..."

Geez people, get with the new millennium will ya?

Three words back:

CARRIER DATA CAPS

That currently limits how much you can stream and it'll probably get worse in the near future instead of better. If you're streaming video - forget it, You'll reach the cap in a week. Plus, the quality of streaming audio and video over 3G really sucks anyway. And if I have to realy on AT&T's 3G signal to listen to music - forget it once again. Too many drop outs, especially in transit or on a commuter train that goes underground.

No but sorry, I want storage on my device.

Tony

 

[ucfgrad93]

Three words back:

CARRIER DATA CAPS

That currently limits how much you can stream and it'll probably get worse in the near future instead of better. If you're streaming video - forget it, You'll reach the cap in a week. Plus, the quality of streaming audio and video over 3G really sucks anyway. And if I have to realy on AT&T's 3G signal to listen to music - forget it once again. Too many drop outs, especially in transit or on a commuter train that goes underground.

No but sorry, I want storage on my device.

Tony

Agreed. While I think cloud storage for media will make its way to us soon, I don't think it will completely eliminate local storage. In fact, I prefer local storage for the reasons you state in addition to the fact that if you travel into an area that has no coverage, you won't be able to access anything.

 

[iCole]

I don't care that much about capacity. I think most ppl will sync their iPods and create their own playlists on the computer and just switch between their stuff. Anyway, the classic is still around if you really need lots of space. I prefer to have more functionality, but i agree that having more space isn't a bad thing.

 

[Tones2]

Look, I'm always the one rolling my eyes at the people who complain about how Apple didn't come out with the product they were hoping for, but this case is a little different. For years there was a steady progression towards more storage/dollar. We started at 5 gigs, and made it all the way up to a whopping 80 TIMES THAT at 160GB. Now an update comes along, and there is an obvious sign of EOL for that product, and the next in line in terms of capacity offers less than half for almost double the price. The cost comes down to a bunch of new features and flash memory instead of a hard drive, which is all cool, but none of it really helps the core purpose of the original product, which was listening to music.
And I'm sorry, but there's a HUGE difference between being able to have all your music with you and having to pick and choose. I went for years without an iPod, till 2007, telling myself I had no need to carry that much music around and that one CD at a time was fine for me. Now I've had one for a few years, and now, wherever I am, if I decide I want to listen to music, I know that I can make my decision on the spot as to what I want to listen to. It's never a planning ahead kind of thing, I can browse through all my music and say "hey i haven't listened to that in a while".
I'm only 26 and I already have 31GB of music, pretty much all at 128kbps, and so I've finally reached the limit of my 30GB iPod. I've had to go through my library and decide which few albums I never listen to, but I've already been in a few situations where I want to show somebody some music, and then I realize it's left behind on my computer, because I had a moment where I thought I wouldn't want to listen to it.

I see a pretty clear analogy here... It's like Apple ditched the Mac Pro in favour of the more popular iMac, and in this thread we have a bunch of people poking fun at the silly Mac Pro users for lamenting the loss, simply because these iMac users can make do without a Mac Pro.

Its not just a situation with an update that didn't satisfy some specific wishes for a given product, its essentially an EOL for an entire type of device, I think it warrants discussion! Personally, I was hoping for a cheap, click wheel Classic with 64GB flash, or even just an updated Classic with an HDD at a lower price point and with an updated interface. I don't need or want to pay for mobile internet, touch screen, apps, and pointless low-res cameras on my music player.

Absolutely perfectly said.

Tony

 

[Tones2]

You're doing a great job in this thread. You clearly make the most sense.

Absolutely perfectly said.

Thank you.

Tony

 

[Astro7x]

8GB is useless for a device that does so much.

I made 16GB work for awhile, but for a heavy video user it was annoying to constantly swap out video files because I'd fill the thing up. And then I was running out of space to download Apps when I was in Wifi. Overall it was an annoyance but I wasn't going to pay $100 for what was basically a sync every week.

32GB has worked perfectly with pretty much the songs I listen to plus a ton of television shows.

Is it worth the premium of $100 just to have my entire music library on me at all times? On a device that has a high chance of getting lost, stolen or (not very likely) broken? And a device that I am probably going to swap out in 2-3 years for the latest and greatest version? I don't think so. 32GB model has been working great!

 

[Carouser]

Its not just a situation with an update that didn't satisfy some specific wishes for a given product, its essentially an EOL for an entire type of device, I think it warrants discussion! Personally, I was hoping for a cheap, click wheel Classic with 64GB flash, or even just an updated Classic with an HDD at a lower price point and with an updated interface. I don't need or want to pay for mobile internet, touch screen, apps, and pointless low-res cameras on my music player.

You do know that you can still buy a Classic, right? It's pretty believable that they'll keep selling the Classic until flash capacity in the iPod Touch approaches the Classic's capacity, or until there are so few people who want the Classic that it won't make sense to manufacture any more. In other words, people who want something to hold their whole library without paying for all the features you listed can still do so.

Personally, I was hoping for a cheap, click wheel Classic with 64GB flash, or even just an updated Classic with an HDD at a lower price point and with an updated interface.

So you want a cheaper Classic with less storage than the current ones? I thought the point of the thread was that Apple wasn't increasing capacity sufficiently.

 

[Tones2]

You do know that you can still buy a Classic, right? It's pretty believable that they'll keep selling the Classic until flash capacity in the iPod Touch approaches the Classic's capacity, or until there are so few people who want the Classic that it won't make sense to manufacture any more. In other words, people who want something to hold their whole library without paying for all the features you listed can still do so.

Well, the issue with the Classic is that it's terrible to watch video on. I'd love a 4.5" wide screen clasic - I don't even care about a touch screen. But that product will never exist. The Classic is thus a way dated device.

So what I would love is for Apple to make a HIGH CAPACITY Touch a wee bit thicker and stick 4 32GB flash chips in there which are not expensive, and charge me $500. I KNOW there's an acceptable market for that. They could then just discontinue the Classic. I'm sick of the Apple obsession with thinness, which is really the only reason why this product doesn't exist.

Tony

 

[alphaone]

If you're using your touch for video... well yes, that's sad. Such a small screen + crappy format = sad end user here.

How is that sad exactly?

I don't always have my MBP with me nor is it always practical to have it with me. But what do I always have with me? My iPod. I travel a lot, almost constantly. Maybe I'm sitting on an airplane and it's cramped so I don't wish to pull out my laptop and watch stuff on it at that particular point, so I pull out my iPod from my pocket and watch a tv show I compressed for it or two. Or I'm sitting on a bus for a few minutes, am I going to take out my MBP there? No. Maybe I'm just sitting at a car dealership waiting for my car's servicing to be done or killing time randomly anywhere. Those are all perfect situations for watching video on a device such as this. No, I'm probably not going to watch a full movie on a device such as this, mostly just short tv shows, but if I want to I can, and that's nice to have in a pinch.

I too have a large movie and tv show library encoded in mkv with all of the fixings, and enjoy high quality video, which is why I spent the time to do all of that encoding. But that holier than thou attitude calling watching video on a small screen such as a touch sad is well, sad.

 

[coldpower27]

Meh, not really feasible for 399 USD or lower pricing to have a 128GB iPod Touch, maybe next year if Flash Pricing falls...

a 128GB would likely have to be not only thicker but probably be at the 549USD price point more expensive the the entry level iPad.

look at Flash Pricing 32GB SD Cards average over $50 still, there really isn't any point for Apple to give it to you at cost...

 

[Tones2]

Meh, not really feasible for 399 USD or lower pricing to have a 128GB iPod Touch, maybe next year if Flash Pricing falls...

a 128GB would likely have to be not only thicker but probably be at the 549USD price point more expensive the the entry level iPad.

look at Flash Pricing 32GB SD Cards average over $50 still, there really isn't any point for Apple to give it to you at cost...

32 Gb (gigaBIT) nand flash just dropped to $4.30:

http://www.digitimes.com/print/a20100902PD206.html

That means that the cost of a 32GB module is probably at $34 or so. So make the Touch thicker and put in 2 more $34 chips and charge me an extra $100. I'm good with that.

Tony

 

[coldpower27]

32 Gb (gigaBIT) nand flash just dropped to $4.30:

http://www.digitimes.com/print/a20100902PD206.html

That means that the cost of a 32GB module is probably at $34 or so. So make the Touch thicker and put in 2 more $34 chips and charge me an extra $100. I'm good with that.

Tony

Too low a profit margin for Apple if that is the case... remember they to make a new seperate line for the thickness.

229USD for 8GB vs 299 USD 32GB let's see if 32GB is actually 34 USD 9-10USD for 8GB isn't unreasonable. It may Cost Apple 25USD more for the memroy but they charge 70USD more for the extra capacity.

So let's say $35 USD for 32GB So another $70 in Cost. A 100 USD boost is not enough.... Apple won't be happy with that profit margin try 150 - 200 USD... which makes it enter iPad category, so it's not a good idea as you have overlapping product lines...

128GB maybe feasible in 2011 refresh... maybe...