iPod touch Touch CAPACITY - Why Doesn't Anyone CARE?

[jeffy.dee-lux]

They didn't ditch any market segment, since they still sell the Classic. Did you know that? You can still buy one. It's already been said in the thread.

Just because people want to buy updated iPod Classics doesn't mean Apple can update them and still sell them at a profit. Do you think Apple should take a loss to satisfy some consumers?

I agree that new products need to be profitable and that improvements can't just come out of nowhere.

What you're suggesting is that Apple will continue to develop a large capacity music player, and they're just waiting for cheaper/better technology to make it worth while. If that is the case, then I am happy and just need to be a little patient.

 

[Tones2]

Understand that this forum is WAY WAY skewed by opinions of 21 and under fanboys. I keep forgeting I'm probably arguing with 15 year olds here.

There is definitely a market for high capacity device. This had been Apple's approach to continually increase capacity for the LIFE of the iPod models prior to the Touch. If there wasn't a market, they would discontinue the Classic, plain and simple, because you know Steve Jobs really wants to.

It's also understandable that Apple can't yet put in 64GB nand flash chips in their devices as it's currently too expensive. Of course I understand this.

What I don't understand is why, with no real decrease in nand flash prices in sight a year ago, Apple didn't come up with a redesign of the Classic in some way to make it more modern. Even simply a widescreen, or put a hard drive Touch (if archos can do a hard drive in a touch screen without sacrificing battery life, why can't apple). Or use four chips in a Touch instead of two and make it thicker. I think some solution is possible without a MAJOR redesign.

But the conjecture here is that Apple does not do this because there is no market for a high capacity device. I say bull to that. There is - even if you consider just the whole "Classic" market for one. But even if research DID shows that there is (and NO ONE here knows whether that is true or not despite all the people who THINK they do), it comes down to one person making that call to do it or not. And Steve Jobs is obsessed with thinner and thinner products. And that's why it doesn't happen. He knows he has fanboys who will buy his product and assume everything Apple does is the best thing for their customers, so he doesn't care so much about market research. When the heck has he EVER listened to customer wishes?

OK - now here we go. Let me have it fanboys!

Tony

 

[racketeer71]

What everybody in this thread seems to miss, is the fact that 640kB ought to be enough for everyone.

 

[Carouser]

There is definitely a market for high capacity device. This had been Apple's approach to continually increase capacity for the LIFE of the iPod models prior to the Touch. If there wasn't a market, they would discontinue the Classic, plain and simple, because you know Steve Jobs really wants to.

Yes, there's a market for such a device, and Apple sells one. If there wasn't a market, yes they would discontinue it, because only an idiot would offer a product for which there is no market. You don't need to impute all these vague and bizarre motives to Jobs to explain what Apple is doing.

What I don't understand is why, with no real decrease in nand flash prices in sight a year ago, Apple didn't come up with a redesign of the Classic in some way to make it more modern. Even simply a widescreen, or put a hard drive Touch (if archos can do a hard drive in a touch screen without sacrificing battery life, why can't apple). Or use four chips in a Touch instead of two and make it thicker. I think some solution is possible without a MAJOR redesign.

Why didn't they do any of this? Maybe because the cost of doing so would have rendered the Classic unprofitable, or any number of other reasonable things said plenty of times throughout the thread. How many more times should we give them to you? Just because you think it is possible and that sufficient people would buy it doesn't make it so.

But the conjecture here is that Apple does not do this because there is no market for a high capacity device. I say bull to that. There is - even if you consider just the whole "Classic" market for one. But even if research DID shows that there is (and NO ONE here knows whether that is true or not despite all the people who THINK they do), it comes down to one person making that call to do it or not. And Steve Jobs is obsessed with thinner and thinner products. And that's why it doesn't happen.

So NO ONE knows if there is a market for this, even though you've consistently said that there definitely is.

Nobody in the thread said there is no market for a high capacity device. There is such a market, which is why Apple still sells the Classic. And yet you think the reason why you didn't get what you want is because Jobs is obsessed with thinness. All the explanations why Apple might not just throw X, Y, and Z in there, (all of which are minor - how do we know? because you said so) can be dismissed because people are fanboys. lmao

 

[Orange™]

Well

Since most of the users on here are nothing but dirty thieves, they don't really deserve the chance to have more storage. Seriously, only scum pirate music and on the first page alone multiple users are saying that their music is over 50 GB. Yeah right, like an 18 year old really paid for that, pathetic. I really really doubt that any of them purchased their collection but rather used torrents.

Thieves like them are ruining the music industry!

 

[ReallyBigFeet]

Since most of the users on here are nothing but dirty thieves, they don't really deserve the chance to have more storage. Seriously, only scum pirate music and on the first page alone multiple users are saying that their music is over 50 GB. Yeah right, like an 18 year old really paid for that, pathetic. I really really doubt that any of them purchased their collection but rather used torrents.

Thieves like them are ruining the music industry!

Orange, didn't you just get out of Time Out? Going for the Double Down I see?

 

[joe1946]

How many here would pay $599 for a 128GB iPod Touch ? Not many I bet and Apple knows that. I paid $188.26 for 12GB of 1600Mhz DDR3 RAM for my Core i7 PC back in Jan 2009 and today that same RAM cost much more. Ever since SSD drives started selling well RAM prices started to go up.

 

[Beric]

How many here would pay $599 for a 128GB iPod Touch ? Not many I bet and Apple knows that. I paid $188.26 for 12GB of 1600Mhz DDR3 RAM for my Core i7 PC back in Jan 2009 and today that same RAM cost much more. Ever since SSD drives started selling well RAM prices started to go up.

Yup. I got my 6GB for $80 last July. Now, it's hard to find 4GB for that much. Prices are going up, not down, due to demand.

 

[Orange™]

Orange, didn't you just get out of Time Out? Going for the Double Down I see?

I was given a 24 hour ban for calling some fool a 'dunderhead'.
I was called a troll, nothing happened to them, I was insulted, nothing happened to them. The admins on this site are a joke.

Anyway, are you saying that they didn't pirate their music? Are you one of the users I was referring too? Maybe once you've worked for an honest days pay, you'll see the scum for what they are.

 

[ReallyBigFeet]

Nope, I payed for all my music but as someone has pointed out prior in the thread, I'm older (mid 40's) so had literally decades of CD's that I've since ripped into my iTunes collection. And I've long since converted my entire DVD library to ripped ISO's as well.

But there are people who would still use the larger capacity for non-media purposes....there are plenty of apps that let you use the memory as a form of Flash storage for other document types.

 

[Carlanga]

I care, but there is nothing you can do about it! for example: would you buy a bigger capacity iPod touch for $1,000 just for the extra HD space, I don't think so....

 

[SingBlueSilver]

Understand that this forum is WAY WAY skewed by opinions of 21 and under fanboys. I keep forgeting I'm probably arguing with 15 year olds here.

There is definitely a market for high capacity device. This had been Apple's approach to continually increase capacity for the LIFE of the iPod models prior to the Touch. If there wasn't a market, they would discontinue the Classic, plain and simple, because you know Steve Jobs really wants to.

It's also understandable that Apple can't yet put in 64GB nand flash chips in their devices as it's currently too expensive. Of course I understand this.

What I don't understand is why, with no real decrease in nand flash prices in sight a year ago, Apple didn't come up with a redesign of the Classic in some way to make it more modern. Even simply a widescreen, or put a hard drive Touch (if archos can do a hard drive in a touch screen without sacrificing battery life, why can't apple). Or use four chips in a Touch instead of two and make it thicker. I think some solution is possible without a MAJOR redesign.

But the conjecture here is that Apple does not do this because there is no market for a high capacity device. I say bull to that. There is - even if you consider just the whole "Classic" market for one. But even if research DID shows that there is (and NO ONE here knows whether that is true or not despite all the people who THINK they do), it comes down to one person making that call to do it or not. And Steve Jobs is obsessed with thinner and thinner products. And that's why it doesn't happen. He knows he has fanboys who will buy his product and assume everything Apple does is the best thing for their customers, so he doesn't care so much about market research. When the heck has he EVER listened to customer wishes?

OK - now here we go. Let me have it fanboys!

Tony

I like how you act like you're so old and mature when, from what I gather, you are acting the most childish out of all the posts I've read in this thread.

As soon as someone differs in opinion with a valid argument you call them young. I hate agism on that level. Since you seem to care so much about peoples' ages, how old are you?

How does age determine how much music one has?

I'm not saying it's 128 GB unnecessary, but I think it's reasonable to assume someone can manage with "only" 64 GB of media to carry around IN YOUR POCKET. If you're so old, you should be amazed by this, remember when there were cassette tapes?

As someone mentioned earlier, I hate people's sense of entitlement, like Apple owes them this or that.

 

[Tones2]

 

[tooobe]

This is a really tired old argument. Some of us don't want to have to PRE-DECIDE what we want to listen to each day. I have NO IDEA usually. So when I'm out and think of something I want to listen to, I want it on my device. I would like that device to be my 128GB iPhone , but I'll settle for a 2nd device if I had to. but 64GB doesn't do anything for me. So I'll carry my Classic, thank you. The only reason I would care about the Touch if it matched by Classic in capacity or at least came close, then I could replace it with something I can actually watch movies on comfortably.

Tony

If you don't care about carrying a 2nd device, you shouldn't care about carrying a 3rd device. Buy two iPod touches, carry them both around and stop complaining they'll still probably be thinner than a iPod classic JK

 

[Tikker]

I'm not sure if more than 25 or 30 GB of decent music even exists

 

[gta50419]

You must be young. Us older people have a LOT more music / videos. My library is like 250GB+, about which 120GB is music and the rest video. Most people I know have similar libraries. It's definitely NOT about having the top model - it's about what best my library will fit into.

Tony

holy crap man, 120gb of music?
lol wow! that's like 100,000 songs right??

puts my 4.18 gb (993 songs) to shame haha

 

[Chundles]

holy crap man, 120gb of music?
lol wow! that's like 100,000 songs right??

I have a 1TB+ iTunes library skewed about 70/30 movies/music.

Do I want an iPod I can put all of that on? Hell no. I want enough space to put my favourite albums, podcasts and the odd movie. 32GB is enough in my pocket.

 

[sushi]

No argument that a larger capacity iPod touch would be nice.

This is business for Apple. I would suspect that the market for a larger capacity iPod touch is small. And with the current increase in memory cost Apple would need to charge a premium -- a premium that most would not pay. From Apple's perspective, it's better to provide new features this time then worry about increased capacity in the future.

Personally, if I were in the market for an iPod touch, I would rather have the new features than more memory. But that's just me. And yes, I have a large library.

 

[Tmacfan4321]

Actually, it does.

Tony

Since when? I've never seen anything that suggests this anywhere. It would be nice to see some sort of evidence to back up this claim.

Looks like this thread is of the "People who understand microeconomics vs. People who don't" garden variety.

Personally, I did better in Macro last year.

I have a 1TB+ iTunes library skewed about 70/30 movies/music.

Do I want an iPod I can put all of that on? Hell no. I want enough space to put my favourite albums, podcasts and the odd movie. 32GB is enough in my pocket.

Same here, but I have only 100GB of media with a 70/30 split in favor of music.

I can deal with 32GB only in a device.

 

[GekiRed]

Understand that this forum is WAY WAY skewed by opinions of 21 and under fanboys. I keep forgeting I'm probably arguing with 15 year olds here.

There is definitely a market for high capacity device. This had been Apple's approach to continually increase capacity for the LIFE of the iPod models prior to the Touch. If there wasn't a market, they would discontinue the Classic, plain and simple, because you know Steve Jobs really wants to.

It's also understandable that Apple can't yet put in 64GB nand flash chips in their devices as it's currently too expensive. Of course I understand this.

What I don't understand is why, with no real decrease in nand flash prices in sight a year ago, Apple didn't come up with a redesign of the Classic in some way to make it more modern. Even simply a widescreen, or put a hard drive Touch (if archos can do a hard drive in a touch screen without sacrificing battery life, why can't apple). Or use four chips in a Touch instead of two and make it thicker. I think some solution is possible without a MAJOR redesign.

But the conjecture here is that Apple does not do this because there is no market for a high capacity device. I say bull to that. There is - even if you consider just the whole "Classic" market for one. But even if research DID shows that there is (and NO ONE here knows whether that is true or not despite all the people who THINK they do), it comes down to one person making that call to do it or not. And Steve Jobs is obsessed with thinner and thinner products. And that's why it doesn't happen. He knows he has fanboys who will buy his product and assume everything Apple does is the best thing for their customers, so he doesn't care so much about market research. When the heck has he EVER listened to customer wishes?

OK - now here we go. Let me have it fanboys!

Tony

I agree with a lot of what you have to say there, Tony.

I'm definitely not a Apple/Mac fanboy (in fact, personally I hate people who think that Steve Jobs is the Second Coming and that they'll buy any old crap just because he tells them to... As for Fuhrer Jobs, I personally think he's a arrogant douchebag whose jeans are a bit too tight for him!)

In any case, he'll never listen to the public where customer wishes are concerned as he thinks he knows what's best, when in fact he's just a sad, pitiful little man who's so arrogant, he thinks he's better than anyone else when in fact he isn't.

One of these days, he'll end up pissing off the wrong people and he'll end up being kicked out of Apple and hopefully they'll bring in a new CEO who'll be willing to listen to the people who buy their products as well as potential customers.

Myself, I wouldn't have even thought about buying a Apple product until recently with the iPod Touch/iPad and even then, I'm only buying them (the iPad next year when the 2nd Gen version comes out) for the Apps as I'm going to university this year and there's a lot of Apps which will come in handy for my Foundation Cerificate in Computing course.

As for a MacBook Pro, I'm hoping to get one bought for me as a Disabled student using the Disabled Student Allowance as there's no way I could afford to buy one on my own (and even then, I'm a PC guy myself first and last!)

Where music is concerned, I'm not ashamed to say that I pirated a lot of my collection (especially where Japanese/Korean Pop and Rock is concerned) and if anyone here has a problem with that, I don't care what you have to say!

 

[sracer]

You must be young. Us older people have a LOT more music / videos. My library is like 250GB+, about which 120GB is music and the rest video. Most people I know have similar libraries. It's definitely NOT about having the top model - it's about what best my library will fit into.

Tony

I'm one of those older guys. My media library weighs in a little over 2TB. The music portion of that dwarfs the largest capacity portable media player so I've gotten past the "I need to have my entire collection with me at all times" mentality.

I use smart playlists, genius playlists, and genius mixes to get a reasonable sampling of my collection on a device. Whether it is 16GB, 32GB, or 64GB, this approach scales well.

 

[sracer]

Understand that this forum is WAY WAY skewed by opinions of 21 and under fanboys. I keep forgeting I'm probably arguing with 15 year olds here.

True. I forget about that myself.

There is definitely a market for high capacity device. This had been Apple's approach to continually increase capacity for the LIFE of the iPod models prior to the Touch. If there wasn't a market, they would discontinue the Classic, plain and simple, because you know Steve Jobs really wants to.

To me the bigger issue is not capacity but UI. There is no portable player on the market that has a good interface for dealing with 10,000's tracks. Smart playlists, genius playlists, and genius mixes are good starts (and fine for the current capacity of players), but there needs to be something more.

For example, tracks need to be able to be cataloged by more than just genre. The ability to "tag" tracks with multiple keywords and then access tracks based on those tags would be helpful. There is a lot more that needs to be done with the interface before capacity is expanded.

 

[Skaffenuk]

Understand that this forum is WAY WAY skewed by opinions of 21 and under fanboys. I keep forgeting I'm probably arguing with 15 year olds here.

You really need to stop banging on about people being young - as if that in some way invalidates their opinions, it's getting a bit tiresome now.

I'd need a 500gb+ device to hold my entire library but I personally can't see the attraction in a huge capacity mobile device. I only want to be able to carry enough entertainment to see me through a flight/commute/holiday - and I don't need more than 30-40gb for that, max.

 

[UltimateSyn]

You really need to stop banging on about people being young - as if that in some way invalidates their opinions, it's getting a bit tiresome now.

Thank you. I'm 15, and I'm going to buy a 64GB iPod touch next Friday. I have 4 seasons of TV shows, 6 movies, 7GBs of music, a few thousand photos, a few podcast episodes and over 100 apps. This comes to a little over 100GBs, which my 64GB iPad, unfortunately, can't hold. I was really hoping for a 128GB touch this year, even if it was priced at $499, but I knew that probably wouldn't come until sometime early next year, when the iPhone is upgraded to 64GB, and the iPad and iPod touch are upgraded to 128GB. Nonetheless, I'm not waiting. I need that HD video recording & Retina display NOW!

 

[Salacion]

It used to be that the introduction of new iPods was all ABOUT capacity. Now no one seems to care. Strange. I've had an 160 GB iPod Classic for years now. I had an iPod with a 60Gb capacity I think like 5 years ago. Now, the Touch STILL is going to top out at 64GB.

I DO understand that it's impossible to go over 64GB at the current flash prices, but what I don't understand is why no one seems to CARE.

With so many people using there phones as music players these days - something that you always have with you, it's hard to understand why anyone even WANTS yet another relatively low capacity music player like the Touch to also carry around. Baffling really. The only way I'd consider a seperate music player is it it had SIGNIFICANTLY more capacity. Otherwise, I'll just use my 32GB iPhone and keep my iPod Classic.

BTW - What do you think will happen to the iPod Classic. Any updates on it?

Tony

No actually, it's not impossible to go over 64GB. Toshiba released 64GB NAND flash drives last year, so it very well is possible for the Touch to have 128GB. The only factor is pricing, where Apple would more than likely charge a premium price. They even released a 128GB NAND this year, so we will definitely see a 128GB iPhone. It just takes time and a price decrease.

As for the iPod Classic, it's obvious what's going to happen. Apple is milking it. Because Apple still has the Classic in stock, they'll wait to sell out and discontinue the line (if they already haven't). In about 8-10 months when it finally sells out, Apple will release its 128GB iPod Touch. Simple as that.