Touch ID Is NOT Going Away

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by ghsNick, Aug 8, 2017.

  1. ghsNick, Aug 8, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2017

    ghsNick macrumors 68030


    May 25, 2010
    I think we've been interpreting all these new rumors incorrectly and I don't think Touch ID is going away...kinda.

    So my biggest issues with using my face to unlock the new iPhone were -

    1) Someone can use a picture of me to unlock it...well, luckily from all the rumors we understand it's three dimensional and needs your actual face (not a picture) to unlock.

    2) I can't unlock my iPhone at night...from software leaks it looks like the infrared sensor(s) will be able to address that.

    3) I can't unlock my phone while it's laying on my desk...from additional software leaks it looks like it will be able to scan your face while you're sitting at a desk and the phone is on a flat surface.

    4) What if I just want to look my phone without unlocking it? (See explanation below)

    5) Using ApplePay will be ridiculous...well, not really....

    What I think is going to happen is the face unlocking method will be he ONLY way to unlock your iPhone. There won't be any fingerprint scanning. I believe there will be a virtual home button that has to be pressed using your finger, which will then trigger the facial recognition.

    So if you pick up your phone and look at it (without touching the virtual home button) the phone will not unlock. I also think this virtual home button will have haptic feedback so it feels like the home buttons on the newest iPhones.

    Well, that's all I've got. Technically Touch ID is gone, but I think we'll still be making the same "motions" that we currently use. to unlock our phones and use Apple Pay.

    The only issue could be when using sunglasses/wearing hats/etc...but I'll leave hat up to Apple to figure out.
  2. TheRealAlex macrumors 68000

    Sep 2, 2015
    My Guess and this is breaking News, is that it is very possible IF you care so Much about Touch ID. And use it ALOT Apple Will sell you a Touch ID Lightning Adapter. Patent pending I have to go start a Kickstarter For this Idea. Touch ID Dongles.This is 100% my own idea. All legal rights reserved. Just in case Apple doesn't make them own their own.
  3. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

    Relentless Power

    Jul 12, 2016
    In short, Touch ID will exist, in a different form with facial recognition. One month or less to the Keynote to know More.
  4. Infiniverse48 macrumors 6502a

    Jun 28, 2017
    Except not at all because they're fundamentally different methodologies.
  5. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

    Relentless Power

    Jul 12, 2016

  6. LoveToMacRumors macrumors 68020


    Feb 15, 2015
    If you're going for the iphone 8, i would highly suggest you to be ready mentally, that Touch ID wont be there.

    To make things easier, if Touch ID is on the next iPhone 8, i'll buy it for you. And vice versa :)
  7. Relentless Power, Aug 8, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2017

    Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

    Relentless Power

    Jul 12, 2016
    The mental aspect is already there for most . It's the acceptance of how we will adapt to whatever Apple has in store if they alter the experience. But I think some need to wait until the Keynote based off what we don't know. That's what makes this whole controversy interesting, is what Apple changed for the better? (Rhetorical).
  8. DeepIn2U macrumors 603


    May 30, 2002
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    This is going to be "so blow-away" ;)

    Sadly enough whatever Apple does with facial recognition and/or TouchID 3D-Touch on this long rumored IP8 it's going to be ...

    1) Led in using Jony Ive's voice
    - although the engineering team is doing ALL the work!
    2) over 5-10mins spent on tell us all about it, then another 20mins showing us throughout all the videos and ads,
    3) More Pre-Orders than ever before, while only 5% of which will get shipments before store lineup dwellers get theirs.

    The pattern replenishes again.
  9. Shirasaki macrumors 604


    May 16, 2015
    Sometimes, apple legend will end. But how? And if iPhone 8 is the turning point? No one knows.
    I am ok if face id is better but I doubt it will not go through the same path Touch ID went (3 iterations until 6s).
  10. santela macrumors regular

    May 15, 2017
    Am I the only one who thinks it's kinda creepy if my phone can read my face while it's flat on a desk and I'm sitting up straight (not leaning over)? TBH I can't see how it could be done, it would require an ultra wide lens (probably >120 degrees field of view) for face ID.
  11. macrumors 604

    May 26, 2016
    Getting a wide range lens is ok, my concern is how does the phone determine that I'm just looking at it and don't really want to unlock it?!
  12. santela macrumors regular

    May 15, 2017
    According to OP you would press a virtue button (maybe double tap the screen?) to activate the face ID, which makes sense. If you just wanna look at the time you would press the power button I guess.
  13. macrumors 604

    May 26, 2016
    Yes you're right, realised that after posting it. That's not a bad solution.
  14. eyeseeyou macrumors 68030

    Feb 4, 2011
    Is have to say in 90% of the situations where I use the Touch ID for unlock and or Apple Pay the phone is not facing my face.

    Using Apple Pay, with the terminal being maybe chest or lower is have to get in a pretty awkward position to have the phone simultaneously close enough to the terminal and my face in front of the cameras.

    Really looking forward to how apple implements or removes the Touch ID.
  15. Newtons Apple Suspended

    Newtons Apple

    Mar 12, 2014
    Jacksonville, Florida
    It could be you get your face verified while holding your phone facing you and THEN move the phone to the Apple Pay terminal. What ever it is I am sure that Apple has worked it out.

    If people do not wish to move to this, there is always the 7S and 7S+.

    LOL! I do not even use Apple Pay!:p
  16. macrumors 604

    May 26, 2016
    Exactly the same as me and in some places the terminal is placed flat on the counter. This whole Touch ID issue is making me think how I'm going to use it. Let's see what apple says.
  17. mctrials23 macrumors 6502

    Sep 19, 2013
    To be honest, I think we will all adapt to using facial recognition very quickly. There are a few cases where touchID would be better but probably more cases where facial recognition would be superior.

    If I am doing something and my hands are wet touchID doesn't work. I also climb and do a lot of DIY at the moment and my fingerprint it quite often useless after a while.

    I think ultimately we have to trust apple if they believe that facial recognition can replace touchID wholesale. They will have figured out exactly how it will replace touchID under 99% of use cases and a slight change to allow the camera to see your face briefly before you do something isn't the end off the world.
  18. arkitect macrumors 603


    Sep 5, 2005
    Bath, United Kingdom
    Let's wait and see what Apple have come up with.

    Apple Pay is a major cash cow for Apple. There is no way that Tim Cook would place that in jeopardy.

    So I can only assume that whatever unlock/ID system they have developed is a true seamless alternative to TouchID.

    If it isn't and there are major teething problems… then… well… :eek:
  19. mctrials23 macrumors 6502

    Sep 19, 2013
    Exactly, if there is one thing that apple care about its money and touchID coupled with Apple Pay must make them huge amounts. The method that we use to unlock, authenticate and use Apple Pay will be utterly rock solid. Its got to be one of the most important aspects of the hardware software in Apples eyes.
  20. BornAgainMac macrumors 603


    Feb 4, 2004
    Florida Resident
    Maybe a wireless Touch ID Accessory will be available.
  21. abcdefg12345 macrumors 6502


    Jul 10, 2013
    I will not buy a phone that i can't unlock using my manhood, i doubt face id can work with that.
  22. Givmeabrek macrumors 68040


    Apr 20, 2009
    That might work. You point it at the part of your body that you want to use for unlocking and tell the phone to remember it. Of course, sorry but it has to be large enough....
  23. ghsNick thread starter macrumors 68030


    May 25, 2010
    Get away from the technology, because it's already been proven that facial recognition is more secure than finger recognition.

    If the phone works EXACTLY the same way to unlock and pay for items...and you don't have to change a it really that different?

    Yes, on the backend it's more secure and it's using your face...but at the end of the day it's more secure (and not changing the way you use your phone).
    --- Post Merged, Aug 9, 2017 ---
    Did you read my post? I said the actual button will be gone...but the way I unlock my phone/pay for things won't be any different.
  24. mctrials23 macrumors 6502

    Sep 19, 2013
    I can't say I have ever used touchID without being able to see the screen at some point during the process. It would be easy for the iphone to scan your face to authenticate you when you get the phone out and then when you put it over the apple pay terminal you just have to press the confirm button.
  25. Infiniverse48 macrumors 6502a

    Jun 28, 2017
    Good luck unlocking your phone while it's in your pocket. Not saying that's necessary, but it's impossible with facial recognition whereas it's very possible with Touch ID. The question is, can facial recognition work from oblique angles and at the speed with which Touch ID does. Moreover, can facial recognition work SECURELY with sunglasses on where it will be losing data points, etc.

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