Touch ID Is NOT Going Away

ghsNick

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I think we've been interpreting all these new rumors incorrectly and I don't think Touch ID is going away...kinda.

So my biggest issues with using my face to unlock the new iPhone were -

1) Someone can use a picture of me to unlock it...well, luckily from all the rumors we understand it's three dimensional and needs your actual face (not a picture) to unlock.

2) I can't unlock my iPhone at night...from software leaks it looks like the infrared sensor(s) will be able to address that.

3) I can't unlock my phone while it's laying on my desk...from additional software leaks it looks like it will be able to scan your face while you're sitting at a desk and the phone is on a flat surface.

4) What if I just want to look my phone without unlocking it? (See explanation below)

5) Using ApplePay will be ridiculous...well, not really....

What I think is going to happen is the face unlocking method will be he ONLY way to unlock your iPhone. There won't be any fingerprint scanning. I believe there will be a virtual home button that has to be pressed using your finger, which will then trigger the facial recognition.

So if you pick up your phone and look at it (without touching the virtual home button) the phone will not unlock. I also think this virtual home button will have haptic feedback so it feels like the home buttons on the newest iPhones.

Well, that's all I've got. Technically Touch ID is gone, but I think we'll still be making the same "motions" that we currently use. to unlock our phones and use Apple Pay.

The only issue could be when using sunglasses/wearing hats/etc...but I'll leave hat up to Apple to figure out.
 
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I think we've been interpreting all these new rumors incorrectly and I don't think Touch ID is going away...kinda.

So my biggest issues with using my face to unlock the new iPhone were -

1) Someone can use a picture of me to unlock it...well, luckily from all the rumors we understand it's three dimensional and needs your actual face (not a picture) to unlock.

2) I can't unlock my iPhone at night...from software leaks it looks like the infrared sensor(s) will be able to address that.

3) I can't unlock my phone while it's laying on my desk...from additional software leaks it looks like it will be able to scan your face while you're sitting at a desk and the phone is on a flat surface.

4) What if I just want to look my phone without unlocking it? (See explanation below)

5) Using ApplePay will be ridiculous...well, not really....

What I think is going to happen is the face unlocking method will be he ONLY way to unlock your iPhone. There won't be any fingerprint scanning. I believe there will be a virtual home button that has to be pressed using your finger, which will then trigger the facial recognition.

So if you pick up your phone and look at it (without touching the virtual home button) the phone will not unlock. I also think this virtual home button will have haptic feedback so it feels like the home buttons on the newest iPhones.

Well, that's all I've got. Technically Touch ID is gone, but I think we'll still be making the same "motions" that we currently use. to unlock our phones and use Apple Pay.

The only issue could be when using sunglasses/wearing hats/etc...but I'll leave hat up to Apple to figure out.
My Guess and this is breaking News, is that it is very possible IF you care so Much about Touch ID. And use it ALOT Apple Will sell you a Touch ID Lightning Adapter. Patent pending I have to go start a Kickstarter For this Idea. Touch ID Dongles.This is 100% my own idea. All legal rights reserved. Just in case Apple doesn't make them own their own.
 

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In short, Touch ID will exist, in a different form with facial recognition. One month or less to the Keynote to know More.
 

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I think we've been interpreting all these new rumors incorrectly and I don't think Touch ID is going away...kinda.

So my biggest issues with using my face to unlock the new iPhone were -

1) Someone can use a picture of me to unlock it...well, luckily from all the rumors we understand it's three dimensional and needs your actual face (not a picture) to unlock.

2) I can't unlock my iPhone at night...from software leaks it looks like the infrared sensor(s) will be able to address that.

3) I can't unlock my phone while it's laying on my desk...from additional software leaks it looks like it will be able to scan your face while you're sitting at a desk and the phone is on a flat surface.

4) What if I just want to look my phone without unlocking it? (See explanation below)

5) Using ApplePay will be ridiculous...well, not really....

What I think is going to happen is the face unlocking method will be he ONLY way to unlock your iPhone. There won't be any fingerprint scanning. I believe there will be a virtual home button that has to be pressed using your finger, which will then trigger the facial recognition.

So if you pick up your phone and look at it (without touching the virtual home button) the phone will not unlock. I also think this virtual home button will have haptic feedback so it feels like the home buttons on the newest iPhones.

Well, that's all I've got. Technically Touch ID is gone, but I think we'll still be making the same "motions" that we currently use. to unlock our phones and use Apple Pay.

The only issue could be when using sunglasses/wearing hats/etc...but I'll leave hat up to Apple to figure out.
If you're going for the iphone 8, i would highly suggest you to be ready mentally, that Touch ID wont be there.

To make things easier, if Touch ID is on the next iPhone 8, i'll buy it for you. And vice versa :)
 

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If you're going for the iphone 8, i would highly suggest you to be ready mentally, that Touch ID wont be there.
The mental aspect is already there for most . It's the acceptance of how we will adapt to whatever Apple has in store if they alter the experience. But I think some need to wait until the Keynote based off what we don't know. That's what makes this whole controversy interesting, is what Apple changed for the better? (Rhetorical).
 
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This is going to be "so blow-away" ;)

Sadly enough whatever Apple does with facial recognition and/or TouchID 3D-Touch on this long rumored IP8 it's going to be ...

1) Led in using Jony Ive's voice
- although the engineering team is doing ALL the work!
2) over 5-10mins spent on tell us all about it, then another 20mins showing us throughout all the videos and ads,
3) More Pre-Orders than ever before, while only 5% of which will get shipments before store lineup dwellers get theirs.

The pattern replenishes again.
 
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Sometimes, apple legend will end. But how? And if iPhone 8 is the turning point? No one knows.
I am ok if face id is better but I doubt it will not go through the same path Touch ID went (3 iterations until 6s).
 
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Am I the only one who thinks it's kinda creepy if my phone can read my face while it's flat on a desk and I'm sitting up straight (not leaning over)? TBH I can't see how it could be done, it would require an ultra wide lens (probably >120 degrees field of view) for face ID.
 

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Am I the only one who thinks it's kinda creepy if my phone can read my face while it's flat on a desk and I'm sitting up straight (not leaning over)? TBH I can't see how it could be done, it would require an ultra wide lens (probably >120 degrees field of view) for face ID.
Getting a wide range lens is ok, my concern is how does the phone determine that I'm just looking at it and don't really want to unlock it?!
 
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santela

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Getting a wide range lens is ok, my concern is how does the phone determine that I'm just looking at it and don't really want to unlock it?!
According to OP you would press a virtue button (maybe double tap the screen?) to activate the face ID, which makes sense. If you just wanna look at the time you would press the power button I guess.
 

akash.nu

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According to OP you would press a virtue button (maybe double tap the screen?) to activate the face ID, which makes sense. If you just wanna look at the time you would press the power button I guess.
Yes you're right, realised that after posting it. That's not a bad solution.
 

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Is have to say in 90% of the situations where I use the Touch ID for unlock and or Apple Pay the phone is not facing my face.

Using Apple Pay, with the terminal being maybe chest or lower is have to get in a pretty awkward position to have the phone simultaneously close enough to the terminal and my face in front of the cameras.

Really looking forward to how apple implements or removes the Touch ID.
 

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It could be you get your face verified while holding your phone facing you and THEN move the phone to the Apple Pay terminal. What ever it is I am sure that Apple has worked it out.

If people do not wish to move to this, there is always the 7S and 7S+.

LOL! I do not even use Apple Pay!:p
 
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akash.nu

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Is have to say in 90% of the situations where I use the Touch ID for unlock and or Apple Pay the phone is not facing my face.

Using Apple Pay, with the terminal being maybe chest or lower is have to get in a pretty awkward position to have the phone simultaneously close enough to the terminal and my face in front of the cameras.

Really looking forward to how apple implements or removes the Touch ID.
Exactly the same as me and in some places the terminal is placed flat on the counter. This whole Touch ID issue is making me think how I'm going to use it. Let's see what apple says.
 
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To be honest, I think we will all adapt to using facial recognition very quickly. There are a few cases where touchID would be better but probably more cases where facial recognition would be superior.

If I am doing something and my hands are wet touchID doesn't work. I also climb and do a lot of DIY at the moment and my fingerprint it quite often useless after a while.

I think ultimately we have to trust apple if they believe that facial recognition can replace touchID wholesale. They will have figured out exactly how it will replace touchID under 99% of use cases and a slight change to allow the camera to see your face briefly before you do something isn't the end off the world.
 
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Let's wait and see what Apple have come up with.

Apple Pay is a major cash cow for Apple. There is no way that Tim Cook would place that in jeopardy.

So I can only assume that whatever unlock/ID system they have developed is a true seamless alternative to TouchID.

If it isn't and there are major teething problems… then… well… :eek:
 

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Let's wait and see what Apple have come up with.

Apple Pay is a major cash cow for Apple. There is no way that Tim Cook would place that in jeopardy.

So I can only assume that whatever unlock/ID system they have developed is a true seamless alternative to TouchID.
Exactly, if there is one thing that apple care about its money and touchID coupled with Apple Pay must make them huge amounts. The method that we use to unlock, authenticate and use Apple Pay will be utterly rock solid. Its got to be one of the most important aspects of the hardware software in Apples eyes.
 
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ghsNick

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Except not at all because they're fundamentally different methodologies.
Get away from the technology, because it's already been proven that facial recognition is more secure than finger recognition.

If the phone works EXACTLY the same way to unlock and pay for items...and you don't have to change a thing...is it really that different?

Yes, on the backend it's more secure and it's using your face...but at the end of the day it's more secure (and not changing the way you use your phone).
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If you're going for the iphone 8, i would highly suggest you to be ready mentally, that Touch ID wont be there.

To make things easier, if Touch ID is on the next iPhone 8, i'll buy it for you. And vice versa :)
Did you read my post? I said the actual button will be gone...but the way I unlock my phone/pay for things won't be any different.
 

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I can't say I have ever used touchID without being able to see the screen at some point during the process. It would be easy for the iphone to scan your face to authenticate you when you get the phone out and then when you put it over the apple pay terminal you just have to press the confirm button.
 
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Get away from the technology, because it's already been proven that facial recognition is more secure than finger recognition.

If the phone works EXACTLY the same way to unlock and pay for items...and you don't have to change a thing...is it really that different?

Yes, on the backend it's more secure and it's using your face...but at the end of the day it's more secure (and not changing the way you use your phone).
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Did you read my post? I said the actual button will be gone...but the way I unlock my phone/pay for things won't be any different.
Good luck unlocking your phone while it's in your pocket. Not saying that's necessary, but it's impossible with facial recognition whereas it's very possible with Touch ID. The question is, can facial recognition work from oblique angles and at the speed with which Touch ID does. Moreover, can facial recognition work SECURELY with sunglasses on where it will be losing data points, etc.
 
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