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Touch ID Is NOT Going Away
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Luckily I have never attempted to unlock my iPhone while it was in my pocket...
Why would you want to unlock your phone in your pocket? What's the point makes no sense?
Removing TouchID is much smaller than removing the headphone jack and they had no problems doing that so don't hold your breath hoping for TouchID to remain.
Pull your phone out of your pocket with your finger in the button and it's active by the time you look at it. This eliminates lag. It may not be much and it may not matter to you. But it does eliminate lag and that matters to some people.
Irrelevant with facial scanning, by the time the phone reaches your face it's already been unlocked. I can see the fingerprint scanner being slow on other phones.
Sometimes I like to unlock my phone while still in my pocket just to glance at it while it is partially still in my pocket because I'm checking a text or the time. I do this every day because it's safer in the workplace. I'd hate to need to take my phone completely out of my pocket and hold it up to see who's texting me and risk getting in trouble by my supervisor.Irrelevant with facial scanning, by the time the phone reaches your face it's already been unlocked. I can see the fingerprint scanner being slow on other phones.
Then just tap the power button on the side, which will still be there. Unless you mean you want to actually read texts and send text when the phone is only half out of your pocket, in this instance your use case is a bit out of the ordinary and you should just get a 7/7s etc.
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I have the option to not view texts while my phone is locked. I don't like random people reading my text messages while my phone is sitting on my desk and it is locked.
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That's exactly what I do. I usually pull my phone 3/4 out of my pocket, glance down at it to see who is texting. Often times I can send a quick text while it is still in my pocket. But yes, if the 8 does away with touchID, I'll just get the 7s. I've grown too used to using it and don't want to give it up.
Point is, it's unlocked before it's even seen by your eyes. How fast will facial recognition be—after it sees your face perfectly?
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The point is it's unlocked that quickly. Whereas with facial recognition it has to first see your face after being turned on. The question is, can it do it in hundredths of a second?
From a security standpoint, I barely trust TouchID. I have little to no confidence in facial recognition.
The decision to replace TouchID could very well deter me from sticking with the new iPhones after release. I was already skeptical and unhappy with the haptic feedback I've experienced on iPhone 7 (friends phones I don't own one).
The decision to replace TouchID could very well deter me from sticking with the new iPhones after release. I was already skeptical and unhappy with the haptic feedback I've experienced on iPhone 7 (friends phones I don't own one).
I remember, one of THE biggest factors in a phone purchase was where the fingerprint scanner was. Some phones had it on the back, some on the front. I went with the iPhone 6, then 6s and now the 7 because I've loved touchID since day one. I like being able to log into my credit card/bank apps using nothing more than my fingerprint. Really made things easier. There was a time where I temporarily switched to the LG v10. Hated just about everything about that phone. The fingerprint scanner was on the back and wasn't nearly as good as the iPhones. So then I tried the facial recognition as an alternative. What a load of crap that was. It was quicker to just punch in the pass code to unlock. I'm sure facial recognition has come a long way since then, but I just don't see how usable it can be compared to touchID today. Maybe it has come a long long long way.
It will unlock with a blink of an eye esp rumors are claiming that your face doesn't even need to be directly in front, it can scan from an angle.
Well, I'd still need to think about it. I sometimes wear contacts and sometimes wear sunglasses when I do wear contacts, but I'm sure it will be like the touchID in the sense I could register my face in multiple ways (w/ or w/out glasses, etc. ). I'm just curious to see how facial recognition will work if I wear different styles of sunglasses or if I buy a new pair of eyeglasses.
I'd expect it can work from oblique angles - just look at the ARKit demos to see what's possible with surface-sensing and geometry-adjustment.
Eyeglasses? This isn't iris recognition. I'd think it'll collect enough other data points (chin, jawline, ears, forehead, nose, cheekbones, lips, etc.) that it won't be a problem. I'm sure there's been plenty of work done on recognizing when eyeglasses hide particular measurement points. An arc welder's face mask may be a bit more problematic, as might Ser Gregor "The Mountain" Clagane's helmet.
Pocket-unlock? I don't use Siri enough to know whether that's a practical function.
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"Racist" is the wrong term. People of all races and many religions follow traditions that may include facial coverings. There are also cultures and traditions that consider photos of people to be inappropriate.
Traditions are often incompatible with contemporary life. That's part of the choice people make when choosing traditional over contemporary culture. Certain aspects of contemporary culture are deemed too important to allow excluding portions of the population, but for now, I don't think unlocking an iPhone by facial recognition would be one of them. Passcodes still work.
But as far as inclusiveness is concerned... a person can't survive without a head, and even if horribly disfigured, a face. Plenty of people survive the loss of fingers, hands, or arms. On that criterion, facial recognition is more inclusive, not less.
Haha I said sunglasses, not eyeglasses, and I was referring to points of reference not iris, of course it isn't scanning the iris. If something is obscuring the face though, points of reference are lost. Apple must use a set number of reference points that need to be captured to unlock it. If you're wearing glasses it won't need your eyes, if you're wearing a dust mask it won't need your mouth and nose? It's up in the air at this point.
I don't know what "Haha" is supposed to mean. Just what is the material difference between eyeglasses (which I happen to wear at all times), and sunglasses, which perhaps are the only kind of eyewear that you require? You think that dark lenses provide a greater challenge than clear lenses???? Clear, corrective lenses can be just as reflective and may add the additional challenge of being refractive as well. But maybe my eyeglasses blind me to the point you were trying to make? What about the frames - clear vs. opaque plastic, wire... regardless of the type of lens they hold, the frames can also pose measurement issues.
And I most certainly understood you were talking about measurement points - I cataloged a list of them that would not be obscured by sunglasses or eyeglasses. I seriously doubt they'd have so few measurement points that eyeglasses/sunglasses would make it impossible to get a good "read."
First of all, please give me a realistic use case where you want to unlock your phone in your pocket. :'D please enlighten me.
Second of all, I think the 3D infrared lasers will still have enough anchor points even with sunglasses. Apple is situated in a state where there is a lot of sun. I think the Sunglass problem would have come up at on point or another.
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My guess about the unwanted unlocking is that it will handle it quite similarly to Touch ID. If I raise my phone have my finger placed on Touch ID, it automatically unlocks. With Face ID it will work the same. But if your phone is being taken by someone else (while the lock screen is still active but the phone is unlocked) the phone will then sense the new face and automatically lock itself. Or something like that.
Sunglasses with polarized lenses would almost assuredly block more infrared light from passing through the lenses, reaching the eyes and getting additional measurement points.
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You guys really don't understand the unlock in pocket concept. It's not about unlocking in your pocket. Obviously???
It's about the fact that with Touch ID the device is unlocked before you can physically view the display with your eyes, if you pull it out of your pocket pressing the home button while bringing it up. With facial recognition it's impossible to do this, thus you rely on the speed of Face ID unlocking after the phone is perfectly viewable to your face. The question is how fast this will work of course and how well it will work at oblique angles. There's no reason to discuss it because Apple will show this in several weeks time, but the point remains.
Anyway, I think yourself and some others mistakenly believe that the infrared sensors for facial recognition will just be running all the time. They of course cannot for battery efficiency. In a perfect world they would run constantly and the phone would instantly lock if your face was out of the frame (unless you gave a time-delayed permission to another user, or added their face).
Well, you were the one bringing up all the questions ;P I was just answering them.
But that unlocking thing while tacking it out of the pocket is what annoys me sometimes. Sometimes I want to take it out of my pocket and look and it's already unlocked. And i assume that Face ID will at LEAST have the same speed as the first Touch ID. So taking it out of the pocket + unlocking will still work. Just the other way around as with Touch ID. You press the button while taking it out look at it and bam: it's unlocked and on the home screen or last used app. That's how it should work in my eyes.
Well If the awarness detection really is implemented then the infrared laser would be operating in intervals if not all the time. Remember; the Apple Watch is already using infrared most of the time as it measures your heart beat quite often (I have data entries every couple minutes). So Apple already has some experience with battery friendly infrared technology. But again, measuring the puls and actually constantly mapping a face are two different things. I guess we will have to wait and see what they do.
Let me take this opportunity to say I wish iOS had Smart Lock like Android. It allows you to keep your phone unlocked when paired to trusted BT devices, based on location, if it's in your pocket, etc...I rarely have to use my fingerprint/iris/face on my S8 because of SmartLock. I suppose it's not secure enough for Apple but if the user chooses to utilize it then that's on them.
It's going away for a year. In a year the in screen tech will be available. The return of touch ID will be touted as a big improvement thus selling millions of upgrades.