Nope. you need to understand how QNX works. The car companies won't have to do a single thing beyond the initial hook... and that's all it is... a very simple link.
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Toyota Currently Has No Plans to Support CarPlay or Android Auto in U.S.
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Nope. you need to understand how QNX works. The car companies won't have to do a single thing beyond the initial hook... and that's all it is... a very simple link.
So let me get this straight - a car manufacturer shouldn't create an infotainment system, but a computer and phone company should make a car.
Am I reading that right?
Good news for the car makers who do jump on board from the start. And as soon as the others see that sales are dramatically shifting to the car companies that use Google and Apple for software, they will soon follow.
I am not saying I am not influenced by a cars infotainment system - however, I'm not sure it would ever make or break my decision.
Consumer electronics technology has infiltrated into every aspect of cars now. Car makers had better start paying attention and support major platforms otherwise someone else will come in and each their lunch. Speaking of which, Toyota is so totally out of touch with reality these days. Recently they're going with hydrogen fuel cell cars which is a huge fail over battery EVs and now this.
Toyota may have their followers but to me they're boring and stodgy cars don't do anything for me. Tesla on the other hand.... Now there's some innovation going on. They just need to work really hard on that Model 3 to get mass market appeal in terms of pricing.
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That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard for getting into the car business. If Apple wants to get into the business it's because they think they can bring something valuable to it. And just because it's not part of their core business at the moment doesn't mean they shouldn't try.
Tesla shamed the industry as a whole as to what can be done with car technology when you throw out all the conventions and use more silicon valley thinking, something Apple knows a lot about. Apple sees what they accomplished in a short amount of time and that they created a very compelling car. If Apple wants to make a car, then I say let them. It's not like anyone is obligated to by one just because it has an Apple logo on it. Besides, all this talk is just rumors right now but it does appear all the recent hires point to them working on something vehicle related. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire....
Toyota may have their followers but to me they're boring and stodgy cars don't do anything for me. Tesla on the other hand.... Now there's some innovation going on. They just need to work really hard on that Model 3 to get mass market appeal in terms of pricing.
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That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard for getting into the car business. If Apple wants to get into the business it's because they think they can bring something valuable to it. And just because it's not part of their core business at the moment doesn't mean they shouldn't try.
Tesla shamed the industry as a whole as to what can be done with car technology when you throw out all the conventions and use more silicon valley thinking, something Apple knows a lot about. Apple sees what they accomplished in a short amount of time and that they created a very compelling car. If Apple wants to make a car, then I say let them. It's not like anyone is obligated to by one just because it has an Apple logo on it. Besides, all this talk is just rumors right now but it does appear all the recent hires point to them working on something vehicle related. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire....
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Are you suggesting my reason (I didn't give a reason) was lame - or the other poster I was quoting?
As the owner of a new Toyota I get owner surveys quite frequently. Just this weekend I filled one out that was almost exclusively about CarPlay and Android Auto. In the comments section at the end I stated categorically that if they have not added these features to their cars by the time my lease is up, I won't be buying another Toyota. We'll see if they're listening...
I have the same car. It's even worse in canada where they won't even give us entune (just some generic touch screen interface). all things said Im not after a bunch of features that might distract me while driving anyway. My beef is their software is so awful, it is distracting even trying to do the few things it does.
So no CarPlay equals a degraded driving experience? That's pretty presumptuous. Foremost because you have no idea what kind of experience you'll have with CarPlay. CarPlay is a software overlay powered by your phone. That software could easily be buggy, either on the car side, the phone side, or both. The rest of your reasons are even weaker. Fiddle with phone while driving - just don't. If not for your sake, for others on the road. Hands free operation is already available on most modern cars already. Better than Bluetooth audio - how do you know? Hands free with text in dash - you have your phone right there. Why would you need text in dash? Especially if you're driving. Cellular connectivity in the console - CarPlay is an overlay that connects to, and is powered by your phone. It has no cellular connectivity in the console. Adding apps to the dashboard - you do realize the reason for being in a car is to drive, right? Preferably without distraction.
Your definition of driving experience differs greatly from mine.
You're right, it is a minor thing and it errs on the side of safety. They have no way of knowing if you have a passenger. As for nimbleness, do you know of any companies that large that can be considered nimble, Apple and Google included? The auto industry is heavily regulated. There's no room for nimble with governments involved. Car companies innovate all the time. Maybe just not in areas you care about.
I'm the person that made that comment. I never mentioned anything about HP, 0-60 times, or any other metric. Neither did the people my quote was addressing. They simply stated no CarPlay, no purchase. I can't address the unsaid. To assume they meant other things would be unfair to them and stupid of me. Lastly, help me understand how the lack of CarPlay or AA affect the usability of a car. I honestly can't think of anything that can't be done right now that CP and AA will change.
I must be weird. I actually turn off my phone when I get in my car. When I am driving, I am driving and I want my attention to the road and other nut cases out there. I do not want to be distracted by my phone, period. Must be my motorcycle roots interfering with my car driving habits.
And when choosing a car, silly things like the seats, legroom, control positioning and dash layout are the first things I look at. The very last thing I check, like an 'oh yeah thats in there too' thought is the infotainment system. If it has a radio I'm fine. If it also has CD, I'm golden. If it also has USB I'm in music heaven.
And when choosing a car, silly things like the seats, legroom, control positioning and dash layout are the first things I look at. The very last thing I check, like an 'oh yeah thats in there too' thought is the infotainment system. If it has a radio I'm fine. If it also has CD, I'm golden. If it also has USB I'm in music heaven.
If you want to see what a good infotainment system is like go check out a Tesla at one of their local stores. It's not perfect by any stretch but it shows what can be done if you don't shackle a car with hardware. This is the main problem with car radios and media systems: hardware made by other companies to manufacturer's specs which are not updatable.
It would be much better to have such things as pure computers that can be up dated with software. Witness the wide array of aftermarket head units running Android... That's the right approach.
But none of the car companies will be using Google and Apple software. They will all still be using QNX. CarPlay and Android Auto will only be an extension to the system. They're both overlays powered by the phone. I have no idea why Toyota back out. Seems to me the easy thing to do would be including both.
I hate to tell you this, but infotainment doesn't really move car sales. Also, one thing people aren't thinking about. This is only me spitballing, but I'd bet money CarPlay and Android Auto will only be a part of premium audio packages. Car makers will find a way to make money on it's inclusion. So I am not sure how many people will be willing to add another $1500-2500 to the price of their car just to get CP or AA.
Hey maybe that's the reason Toyota backed out. Maybe Apple and Google wanted the capability added to basic packages, and Toyota only wanted it in premium packages so they can get paid. Just a guess, no proof whatsoever.
I agree with this and while I do not love the entire BMW infotainment system (2014 version seems faster than my 2013), my phone always pairs quickly and all features work as advertised. I personally do not like touch screens in my cars.
One feature that I cannot live without is Heads-up Display. That has surely made a difference and my eyes are rarely if ever off the road. Its amazing how few cars have this feature implemented, but I love it in my BMW.
I have high hopes for them on this car. It is after all the car they had their sights on right from beginning but they had to make a few others (Roadster, Model S/S) before they got there to make enough money to get the high costs of manufacturing paid for. That car is *the* most important product for Tesla and will make of break them, and they know it....
Not here to highjack the thread about things Tesla, just happens to be relevant in this ongoing conversation about CarPlay etc...
Morons
This is the classic definition of "morons". In the face of everything that computer companies ...... the largest computer companies in the world ...... do well, they insist on developing their own interface. Do they not understand we need simpler lives, not more complicated? Do they not realize that Apple built themselves into the largest company in the world by making their customers lives simpler?
By the way Mr. Toyota, they got fairly rich doing it!
Time to buy Nissan!
duh ..... morons!
This is the classic definition of "morons". In the face of everything that computer companies ...... the largest computer companies in the world ...... do well, they insist on developing their own interface. Do they not understand we need simpler lives, not more complicated? Do they not realize that Apple built themselves into the largest company in the world by making their customers lives simpler?
By the way Mr. Toyota, they got fairly rich doing it!
Time to buy Nissan!
duh ..... morons!
Indeed: http://press.autotrader.com/2014-11...nology-Makes-or-Breaks-Car-Purchase-Decisions
"When it comes to technology, manufacturers can't count on brand loyalty to keep a shopper in their showroom, with 56 percent of U.S. vehicle owners saying they would be willing to switch brands to get the features they want. The vast majority of vehicle owners prioritize safety features over infotainment (84 percent)"
You're correct that OEM infotainment systems are not typically safer. Because they are so poorly designed that they require too much interaction and distraction from the driving experience.
But I own an aftermarket CarPlay system, and it makes my drive safer. I am not going to avoid communicating because I am in my car. CarPlay allows me to do so with no distraction. Beyond that, it allows me to use Apple Maps to get where I'm going easily, without having to go through a complex and frustrating series of menus, or manually type in addresses.
I, too shopped for cars earlier this year. After driving many different models, across a number of manufacturers (including Toyota) I ended up just installing a Pioneer 4000 in my 15 year old BMW, and I'm pretty darn happy. Especially since my car was in the top three of the best driving experiences I had during my shopping, and keeping it saved me around $35K to $40K.
Entune (Toyota's infotainment system) is so bad that I called the dealer to complain and they offered to let me return the car. In the end I didn't, but my next car will be something else unless they drop that fiasco in the meantime. You have about two years, Toyota.
Even if they felt this way, that is a very stupid rookie comment right up there with the Qualcomm comment about the 64bit chips. Bet this gets turned around in a hurry.
Everyone knows automotive dashboard interfaces are simply horrible when compared to Apple and Google.
Everyone knows automotive dashboard interfaces are simply horrible when compared to Apple and Google.
Not sure if you specifically quoted that one blurb from the article to skew the true findings, but if you read the whole article there is a lesson to be learned in there for Toyota and the other manufacturers. While it is true that 84% of the people surveyed do put the safety technology first, the infotainment system was very important also.
Other notable findings from the study include:
"More than three-quarters of owners would prefer to have one in-vehicle tech feature that's easy to use instead of a difficult-to-understand system that has all the features they want.
38 percent of vehicle owners would delay their next purchase by 6 months or more to get all of the in-car tech features they want.
69% of vehicle owners would rather a vehicle have the technology features they want as opposed to being the color they want."
I would encourage anyone who sees this, and thinks that the posts on this forum are just the rants of some "tech geeks" to actually read this very enlightening article. Thus, I am reposting your original link.
http://press.autotrader.com/2014-11...nology-Makes-or-Breaks-Car-Purchase-Decisions