Give me 3+ hours over Bluetooth for under $300 and I'm buying.
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The difference, IMO, is that the dvd drive was never, at any point, used as a daily thing on most machines. Millions of people use headphones daily.
That's not to say I wouldn't get Bluetooth buds. I actually want them regardless of what happens with the analog port IF they also give me decent battery life (I define this as three hours, preferably more) and a quick charge time (30-ish minutes).
We were given something better when all of these things were taken away. It was measurably better. Despite not being rewritable I could load some like 100x (edit: it's actually well over 400x. Damn!!!) the data onto a disc. A single disc replaced over 100 floppies. I don't consider Bluetooth audio better in the current condition hardware is in. That is the difference for me.Look, there are definitely parallels and analogies that can be taken from the various tech transitions.
The floppy drive was used by millions of people every day when Apple removed it from the Mac. And just like the headphone jack, it was cheap and inexpensive and a ubiquitous standard across all platforms.
At the time they discontinued it, recordable CD media was ridiculously expensive, and that was write-once! CD-RWs were unaffordable for most, the media even more expensive, and were not universally compatible with all drives. Add to that an 8MB USB thumb drive was $40! That's $5 a MB! And no other computers had USB to even share it with. In addition, most internet service was still 33.3K modems, with unreliable connections, and prone to data corruption during file transfers.
Most people just wanted to go back to what was cheap and just worked. USB floppy drive sales shot through the roof, so people could keep using the cheap ubiquitous floppy. In the end, everyone put up with these problems of adopting new media because it led to something more useful, and people being forced to upgrade to it created demand that helped drop the price and increase quality as well as cement standards.
So while I agree the headphone jack is different, there are many applicable similarities. In particular, be it delivered by Lightning or USBc, or even the headphone jack, digital audio offers improvements over traditional analogue audio. This is especially true as mobile devices get smaller, and the on-board amps have to be compromised further. Moving the conversion and amplification process outside the phone, allows many more options than were available using a straight analogue signal delivery system. There really shouldn't be any argument over that point. What the debate seems to be about is primarily the inconvenience such a change will result in, and whether it's worth it. Point for point, is the benefit comparable to that of moving from floppies to DVDs, to flash drives? And I would agree, not to the same degree. But it is a benefit nonetheless, and one worth pursuing, if only to prepare for the eventual future.
Thats not necessarily true. Apple said no unsigned apps. The world still didn't follow.If Apple say no headphone jack, then the whole world must follow. This is Apples law.
why do people feel like this is a legitimate comment on every single post that MacRumors has?
If they want you to have a skylake MacBook Pro, they will release it, but then, what will you bitch about ?
Why should Apple pay a premium, charging the customer more, or sacrificing profits in order to give every customer a wireless headphone option, when many don't want, nor need them?
What I dot want is for apple to remove
Something today for a measurable improvement 2-5 generations down the line. I'd like to see the measurable improvements now. If those improvements come tomorrow, wait until tomorrow.
Im also happy to wait until I see those measurable improvements. At this point you and I have crossed paths many times so I'm sure it is not news to you that I'll be keeping my 6s plus unless I'm given a very compelling reason to upgrade, at least this generation. I don't claim to represent anyone here but myself, fwiw.
They need to update Bluetooth so that you could have BT LE headphones/audio. Then you might have earbuds with decent battery life, considering how little space there is for a battery.
Worthless ??? Hey Siri, add that statement to my personal thesaurus and link to, "overreaction".
The problem with BT LE is it's LE because of extremely low bandwidth not suitable for audio. I'd like to have better sound quality from BT first before I feel ok getting rid of the cord. Then they can work on making it "thinner."
That's not quite right. BT LE can transfer data fast enough for audio. The problem is that it's not designed for continuous data transfer (like streaming audio). It's designed for short bursts of data: power up > transmit > power down. This is achieved through the very fast pairing/connection times. And when it's transmitting it's not really low power. LE (low energy) is referring to the amount of power it consumes over a long period of time, not when it's transmitting (where power consumption goes way up). Which is why it's ideal for battery operated devices (like beacons).
With it looking more and more like Apple is going to remove the headphone jack on the iPhone 7, we've seen considerable speculation and discussion about the transition to either wired Lightning headphones or Bluetooth options. Looking at the wireless possibilities, the first iPhone 7 headphone jack rumors immediately reminded us of an "AirPods" trademark filing we discovered last October that seemed likely to be linked to Apple, although conclusive proof could not be found at the time.![]()
That AirPods trademark application was filed by a previously unknown company by the name of Entertainment in Flight LLC, which carried many of the hallmarks of being a shell company operated by Apple for the purposes of hiding its true identity. Apple has used such companies on many previous occasions, including for "iPad" and "CarPlay" that were ultimately used in product names and others such as "iWatch" that ended up scrapped in favor of other names.
As the AirPods trademark has continued through the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office review process, additional documents have been filed that we believe confirm Apple is behind the filing while providing evidence Apple continues to have interest in protecting the name.
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Article Link: Trademark Filings Seemingly Confirm Apple's Work on Upcoming 'AirPods'
Do you have a reference? I was curious and checking out the wiki. Max power is half and application throughput 0.27Mbps. But maybe that's outdated.
You REALLY think Apple is going to dump Siri? You are hopelessly deceived. Bye now.The problem with BT LE is it's LE because of extremely low bandwidth not suitable for audio. I'd like to have better sound quality from BT first before I feel ok getting rid of the cord. Then they can work on making it "thinner."
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Oops, Siri can't hear you without her D/A converter. Can't talk back either. Guess she can turn on the screen and write you a note. Good thing the phone still has a camera or we'd have to change her name to Helen.
What in gods name are you talking aboutThe adage Less Is More does not apply here. Less IS Less ... For More!
Will Joe Public cotton on to this seemingly-obvious glaring omission?
Only if he/she has the good sense to do their sums first.
If not - then Apple are on to a winner - until people cotton on. Eventually.
If Apple say no headphone jack, then the whole world must follow. This is Apples law.
What about frequent fliers, who can't use Bluetooth devices in flight?
As a I.T. teck, I often tell people to look at how long an item stays on their desk. The longer it is there the more money you can safely drop into any item. Since the 3.5mm headphone jack is the universal standard for speakers, don’t be to shy to drop good money on to a decent set of speakers and to avoid anything that does not use the 3.5mm plug. Kinda like when I was dumb enuf to get the iSub that used a USB port when I got my G4 iMac. Great sub-woofer but when I got my next iMac (an Intel based iMac) it then refused to work so it became a worthless paperweight. This whole debacle is mostly why the iSub is now dead and no longer available form Apple. The $300 speakers I got to replace that bad decision back in 2006, is still the speakers I am still using today, ten years and three iMacs later.
This will also force the many people that use the 3.5mm connection, that was built in to their cars, to stop using their iPhones for music. As for the idea of using Lighting connectors for headphones, how long until Apple decides to change the connector like they did with the 30 pin connector. This also made my desktop docking station and current shelve stereo connector worthless and that change is why you don’t see non-Apple stereos offering connectors like you did prior to 2011 and the few car makers that offered the 30 pin connector gave up and placed a 3.5mm port in their cars instead.
In the past Apple has done some stupid things, like discontinuing the Newton or the lack of USB ports on the MacBook. I see the removal of the 3.5mm headphone jack to be the next big disaster for Apple. Watch closely as the sales of the iPhone7 drops off sharply after a few months when reviews start to show up, as people switch to another smart phone to keep using the overpriced headphones they got several iPhone models ago or to use an iPhone in their cars. Then in a mad scramble, Apple will bring it back to rescue the line with the iPhone7S or 8, but never fully recover from this super blunder.
If Apple does this I will make the switch to a Galaxy phone to avoid being forced to use $75 and up headphones, which will only work in the iPhone7. Even though I am using a $50 Non-Apple set now that blows away the current crappy ones that apple is currently supplying its costumers at $30. Even at $10 I can get better models than the ones Apple supplies, just minus the on-wire-remote. However I can also use my current Non-Apple headphones on my current iMac, MacBookPro, iPad, (or any other device for that matter) and while still using my iPhone for music in my car.
Oops, Siri can't hear you without her D/A converter. Can't talk back either. Guess she can turn on the screen and write you a note. Good thing the phone still has a camera or we'd have to change her name to Helen.
You REALLY think Apple is going to dump Siri? You are hopelessly deceived. Bye now.
I never thought I would ditch Apple. I've had 2 of every iPhone. Several MBPs. I bought a G5 in 2005. Several iPods, iPads, Apple TVs, TB Display... everything.
But a phone without a DAC and analog output is worthless.