What are other companies really innovating though? Generally the market has slowed down there’s not a lot that’s too impressive
If these new lens take great pics people will quickly lose sight of the look
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Triple-Lens Rear Cameras Rumored for Next iPad Pro Range, Dual-Lens for New Entry-Level iPad
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What are other companies really innovating though? Generally the market has slowed down there’s not a lot that’s too impressive
If these new lens take great pics people will quickly lose sight of the look
This ignores the fact that Apple usually plays the numbers. For every person that uses the camera in any of these ways that would actually benefit from 3 cameras, there are probably 50 that do not. Sure I pulled that out of my... but I think its fair to say the overwhelming majority could make do with a simple camera for casual shots/scanning, or no camera. My phone is capable enough.
And the camera adds cost to those that do not need it. Not to mention if I want to upgrade (I dont), then I have to buy a new keyboard.
So yeah, the numbers say, why?
A lot of you seem to be forgetting that professionals use these... As an engineer, I go to customer sites, photograph items, then hand annotate dimensions right onto the photos, it's quick and relatively seamless. I do it in 1Note and then have my notes on my work PC within a few minutes of getting back into the office (wifi sync). I use it with my wife to help her envision things as well.... quick photo, draw over the top, she can see what I'm talking about. Very handy.
The only camera that is useful on the iPad is the one on the front for FaceTime etc.
Something that seems to have been "forgotten" (*cough "nickel and dimed*) in multiple generations of Mac laptops.
Something that seems to have been "forgotten" (*cough "nickel and dimed*) in multiple generations of Mac laptops.
But does it really need a better/bigger/bulkier camera module for you to be able to do that?
Having triple cameras may allow for someone to get a better, clearer, high resolution picture from further away if necessary or for safety reasons. Given that Apple hasn't released the thing yet, all speculation as to how the cameras work together (or not), their resolution, capabilities, etc works is just that - speculation.
I'm actually looking forward to finding out if the rumors prove true.
Well, if this is the only "big" upgrade, then great. Because I do not care one bit about cameras on my iPad Pro. Honestly, do people really take pictures with it? It seems way too large--I have the 12.9 Pro--for taking pictures. And if so, why? Won't the latest iPhones have even better cameras? Regardless, for me this just means I'll have no reason to upgrade. Yay. Money saved!
Your argument is basically the same as the other person's unless I missed something. Apple engineers its devices, and in some cases, over-engineers its devices (see 2009-2012 Mac Pro PSU or the USB-C to 3.5mm headphone jack) depending on how they want the market to use their devices or where they see a need that is not being met.
Your phone is capable enough is not a compelling argument, just like the argument I continually here that USB-A is fast enough for me. I think Apple genuinely listens and takes these things into account, but if there is something they feel strongly enough about or an overwhelming business case can be justified, they are going to implement it despite customers objections. The iPad has had front facing and rear facing cameras since the iPad 2. This is the strategic decision Apple has made and stuck to since March of 2011.
The additional cost for the cameras is nominal or non-existent considering they are going to (supposedly) use the same cameras inside the iPhone 11 models. It's not like Apple is going to give customers a discount on these things anyways. Apple sets the price and it is what it is. I have no idea why people think these things are going to be a lá carte items just because they don't want them or they think it will be cheaper. Apple does not and has never worked this way.
Again, thank God that the majority of the people on this forum are not the ones making the decisions about feature sets on Apple's devices. I'd be just as well off to use an Etch-A-Sketch.
You are waving your hands a lot... of course the camera is going to add to the cost. The research costs from the camera design can be shared with the iPhone 11, but does not include in redesigning the iPad case and layout. Additional costs include the cost of stress testing, the QA on the OS changes, and not to mention the new keyboard/case design. That alone is going to cost me personally $179 or thereabouts if I want to trade up. Not to mention, who needs the bump if they don't want the camera?
You can of course keep dismissing the majority of the people that say they dont want or need the camera as not relevant, but hey, thank God you are happy.
My guess is, scanning documents with the wide angle and taking pictures of slides in class with telephoto to incorporate in note taking app like Notability.
It def suggests this is part of a bigger vision...wonder if it eventually will have to do with something that overlaps the rumors surrounding the glasses that may be on the horizon...
In terms of design I feel like other guys such as Samsung, Google, Microsoft, etc are beating Apple mercilessly. Cameras, for example, are all great on their respective devices despite having little to no camera bump or a notch or something like that.
If Apple were doing all kinds of amazing things with their products at least, then I could forgive the poor design. But they're just struggling to stay competitive now.
Speaking of competitors... the source used for this article does bring up the competitive aspect of Samsung’s latest tablets having a dual camera module.
While I rarely think of Apple as competing with other hardware vendors in the tablet space, they also can’t really afford to get too slack, either. Many vendors now offer very compelling alternatives to the iPhone in the mobile phone space, for example. They shouldn’t take for granted their position in the tablet space.
What might get me excited is if they figure out how to have the front facing camera behind the display, you know like centered. Or maybe have one lens above and one below then correct the image dynamically. Hard to do facetime with the other side seeing my eyes, my hair and a portion of the blurry wall behind me. Then again, now that they do face recognition, COULD the image be correcte as if the lens was centered?
The pure unvarnished truth is that it is 100% completely irrelevant whether you, me or anyone else wants a camera on the iPad or not. Apple has included two cameras since the iPad 2, a FaceTime camera and the rear iSight camera, so we're all getting at least two cameras, that's a guaranteed certainty. A camera is never going to be a BTO item; it's an iPad, not a Dell Dimension XPS.
Whether we get three iSight cameras on the back or not is still up for debate until the day Apple announces a new iPad Pro and we know for certain.
Also, whether anyone here wants the camera and, therefore, the bump is also completely irrelevant. I'm tired of listening to people trying to make arguments for things they don't want or say they don't need and therefore don't think they should have to pay for. It's completely irrelevant. Apple cannot and will not engineer products that way. No company can and keep their sanity. This is a bigger problem for the industry than it is for Apple.
It's not hand waving...it might be exasperation, because the whining and complaining serves little to no purpose when it comes to the iPhone, the iPad and the Watch. Apple is going to do what it thinks is best and you either buy it or you don't. The Macintosh line is a tad more malleable as these are not new devices that are evolving at the rate of the other three. They are fairly known quantities.
Yet, time and again, users on this forum keep trying to apply the Computer Shopper model of a la carte PC building to Apple's products and time and again, they get frustrated and angry when Apple continues merrily along doing what it does and still selling billions of dollars worth of kit. I get it, certain people want control and Apple doesn't cede that to users, nor does it try to throw an olive branch to them. Why? Because it's a waste of time to try and please certain segments of users. This is the mistake that the PC OEMs continue to make because they operate on razor thin margins, the competition is fierce and there is little to be done in the way of product differentiation. As a result of the market having been this way for about the last 30 years, there is almost zero chance that the OEMs can ever gain that control back over their product lines and continue to stay in business.
It's hard to believe that through all of this complaining that anyone with a 2018 iPad Pro, complete with Pencil and Smart Keyboard Folio has a compelling need to upgrade. Yet, the most vocal group of people complaining about Apple's decisions seem to be the those who are talking about upgrading. It makes zero sense. If this is just a speed bump and a new camera array and nothing else, why upgrade? iPadOS still isn't exploiting the full power of the A10X Fusion in the 2017 iPad Pro, much less the A12X Bionic in the 2018 iPad Pro. My 2015 is still incredibly snappy under iOS 12 and although iPadOS 13 Public Beta is less than inspiring speed-wise, it's beta and I am taking a wait and see.
You see, I think Apple knows it's customer's better than users here think they do. They see the complaining, but don't care, because they know certain users will buy whatever they release. The compulsion to have the newest, fastest gadget becomes too much of a temptation and while users will complain bitterly while they upgrade, but they'll do it anyways.
Are you seriously going to say that the vast majority of users with either a 2017 or a 2018 iPad Pro kitted up (Pencil, Smart Keyboard, Wi-fi & LTE) really need an iPad Pro 2019? That's a called a want and not a need...whatever happened to upgrade cycles and using a device for a set amount of time before upgrading? If Apple is the villain everyone portrays them to be then I would think you and many others would simply want to hang on to your devices for as long as you possibly could to get as much use out of them and deny Apple any more of your money for as long as possible. But that's not what I'm hearing. I'm hearing complaints about possibly more money for a keyboard folio, which is amusing as hell considering that the keyboard, while not cheap, is certainly not where the majority of the cost comes from.
For me, there is complete disconnect between users trading in a modern working iPad Pro that has years and of faithful service left in it and the invented need for the absolute newest iPad. This is why there is so much complaining on these forums. There is not going to be that much change year over year, but users get all up in arms about it and again, which is counterproductive. What do user's actually think is going to change and then it does change and everyone's all upset that it did change. It's self-inflicted insanity in slow motion, entirely predictable and completely avoidable.
Bottom line, it is what it is...if you really need what the new one offers, and you can justify the price, you'll upgrade. If not, you won't. Good luck!
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Please tell me what Samsung, Google and Microsoft are doing to beat Apple mercilessly? Google has ceded the tablet market, can't keep itself interested in hardware devices. Samsung has the same slate of phone and tablets they have always had and MS has the Surface line, but nothing new has been released in a while.
Feel free to let me know what amazing things they are doing that Apple isn't doing? Poor design of what? You're speaking in glittering generalities and that are real short on specifics.
Yep, Apple just struggled themselves to $53.8 Billion dollars in revenue in the most recent quarter...
Have they decided tp put a photo flash on an iPad yet. My old Mini has no flash. Rather have that than three lenses.
What troubles me is this kind of news points to the following question.
Is Apple innovation nearing a dead end? C'mon, triple lens on the back of tablet? I would rather prefer a larger display surface by eliminating bezels even further ... and proper mouse support. Or an iOS 13 launched 2 years ago!!!!
Meanwhile Samsung is partnering with MS ...
Time is passing and they did not even made a dent in the PC space. The strategy for home automation is way less then solid! As the thing goes, in 10 years the iPhone will be an isolated island in a sea of fully integrated Android and Windows 10 machines. No to mention smart speakers, smart TVs, so on and so forth.
Riding the wave in cash reserves to do what?
Is Apple innovation nearing a dead end? C'mon, triple lens on the back of tablet? I would rather prefer a larger display surface by eliminating bezels even further ... and proper mouse support. Or an iOS 13 launched 2 years ago!!!!
Meanwhile Samsung is partnering with MS ...
Time is passing and they did not even made a dent in the PC space. The strategy for home automation is way less then solid! As the thing goes, in 10 years the iPhone will be an isolated island in a sea of fully integrated Android and Windows 10 machines. No to mention smart speakers, smart TVs, so on and so forth.
Riding the wave in cash reserves to do what?
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iPad Pro 11" and 12.9" have Quad-LED TrueTone flash. Current iPad mini, iPad and iPad Air do not have a backside flash yet.
And that is supposed to be innovative? Samsung has no choice but to do so because they have practically zero ecosystem to speak of, unlike Apple, who has features like continuity precisely because they control the hardware and software.
No It is not.
But its another example that every here whatever Apple had ahead of the competition when SJ left the company is being shredded by Mt Tim Cook in prol of fast cash and profits.Has has no technical vision for the future. He is not product driven, its all about squeezing the supply chain. Apple already lost the wave of smart devices beyond the phone (one smart peaker that can't talk to nothing by Apple Music, and even traditional Apple functionality came in stages). It has not made a dent in the PC space ... and the list goes one and on and on.