well if the rumors are true, i'd like for them to release it the same day as zune. i just read december, i will say this, Apple's worst nightmare is NOT coming out with the product before Black Friday, think about the LINES that are already at the stores during holiday, could you imagine the stampede of returns, and restocking they would have to deal with? The 6G should be here this week or next, the latest I would think, if not. Next year. I hope it's this year!