At what point does it make more sense for apple to relocate outside the USA? The global market is much bigger than the domestic one.
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Trump Administration Considers Global TikTok App Store Ban
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One person encouraged others to reserve a Trump rally ticket/seat and Trump believed he was super popular but when the rally happened there was so many empty seats. Trump was so embarrassed. He even had a extra stage built outside the stadium. There is no national security issue
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These serious procedures have allowed US spy activity/data harvest in the scope of programs like PRISM. And these are formally allowed.
Far from me defending those activities (although I still have to read Snowden's book...), but didn't PRISM activities had to go through a court and the whole FISA process?
So when I like a video someone created making fun of a bloviated doofus, Bytedance relays that information to China? If that's the case China needs to get a life. If someone is sharing personal/confidential information on a social media app, they deserve to have said information read. I guess it's like when the Federal Government (USA) spies on Facebook, Google, Microsoft and Apple user data without a warrant, eh?
"Deserve"? Are you really going for the "she dressed provocatively so..." argument?
PRISM program went through these process. But PRISM still happened. These legal processes did not limit US government from harvesting data at a massive scale. That is the point I am making.
Snowden's book is a very interesting read.
In addition to what you wrote, I would like to add that these platforms are widely used by teenagers (generally more emotionally vulnerable) elderly people (some of which more naive when confronted with tech) and non-technically competent people.
These people are the vulnerable ones now but one day we might ourselves fall within some category of vulnerability. People who lack basic compassion and empathy should realize that helping each other is why our society exits.
I agree, in this day and age people should know better! But they don't so we should do a better job at digital education. Maybe social networks should come with disclaimers, like cigarettes! Something like "teenagers who regularly spend time on social networks have a x% higher chance of committing suicide" In big letters, when you register and at every login. Maybe there should be stricter limitations for underage people, like with alcoholics.
We can discuss solutions and improvements for the current situations. However I firmly believe that nobody deserves to be abused, cheated, scammed etc.
Saying otherwise is denying civilization itself.
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Precisely, for this subject I recommend Newport's "Digital Minimalism" and Twenge's "The Narcissism Epidemic" (written in the Myspace era) and "iGen". There is something serious that is happening.
One of the problems is that technology and its use in daily life is advancing at bullet speed while our laws (which are supposed to protect our rights) are way too slow to be meaningful.
Never paid much attention to WeChat until the recent Executive Orders were signed.
I assume WeChat's (so-called) "apps" are Progressive Web Apps (PWAs), otherwise, I believe Apple would have shut them down long ago.
Can ANYONE confirm they are in-deed PWAs ?
PWAs have value, as they enable companies to circumvent App Store policies.
I assume WeChat's (so-called) "apps" are Progressive Web Apps (PWAs), otherwise, I believe Apple would have shut them down long ago.
Can ANYONE confirm they are in-deed PWAs ?
PWAs have value, as they enable companies to circumvent App Store policies.
the whole point of calling it the “Chinese virus” is to stigmatize a cohort that contains a billion people, so, yeah, that is inextricably a xenophobic term. Dont get me wrong, what the Chinese did with their wet markets to conceive this virus was abhorrent and must be changed, but the fact that covid still is such a rampant issue in the US, especially since we had months ahead to prepare for it, can only construed as a fault of the trump administration, not the Chinese, so calling it the “Chinese virus” and claiming that it’s their fault is pretty prevaricating and finger-pointing. As an American, i wish not for a new Cold War, and fail to see how banning tiktok is little more than a petulant move that appeases a bigoted base that is predisposed to disliking the Chinese
Months to prepare is a bit of a hyperbole, however, what should've Trump done and when? Be specific.
Future wars will not be boots on the ground. We are already in an economic war and potentially a biological one as well.
I don't see how you cant see it as their fault. Whistle blowers were silenced, the WHO and China said essentially "nothing to see here" for many weeks. Just use some common sense on this. Either way its either chinas fault for the virus itself and for attempting to downplay it's effects and case numbers. The CCP is not exactly known for trustworthiness.
WeChat is not a PWA. It's in the store:
Apple could remove it worldwide, anytime, in theory, but they cannot, in practice. Even assuming they intended to (I believe the opposite) that would make the iPhone sell 0 units in China.
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He doesn't have power over a global ban. If you don't want a ban, ask your government to not do it.
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Unlike the citizens of the PRC, if you live in the EU, you have a choice and you can ask your MPs to vote in a way that you prefer.
Who said that the USA has the power to ban it worldwide? It's up to the governments worldwide to choose what they want. At least in democratic governments. Just because this moron (Trump) says something it doesn't mean it's true.
Well let's see, he was made aware of the virus by intelligence in Fall of 2019. The first US cases showed up in a lab test in late January, but breakouts started in late Feb/early March. So yes, he had at least a few months. I mean, by December 2019, Wuhan was experiencing an outbreak, and the public was aware of this fact. You're telling me Trump wasn't?
If you want to see how Trump could have better prepared the country, please look at how South Korea or New Zealand handled it. Look at how ANY other country handled it for that matter. Perhaps his response would have been better had he not disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised.
Considering that the virus spread all across the world, I’d say that things are a bit more complex, and you weren’t specific at all.
The virus popped up in China in late 2019, but up to late January no leading expert (WHO and CDC included) was worried. As of late February the CDC was not worried, and Fauci himself said that Trump followed all the recommendations that were sent to the Oval Office, no questions asked. So again, what was Trump supposed to do to stop a highly contagious airborne virus that landed in the US and Europe in late December/Early January?
You also mention New Zealand which is a small set of islands; you’re also unaware that they are back in lockdown in certain areas so your example sucks.
You mention South Korea which is a country that never ever trusts China and was able to take immediate, strong precautions (they also had other outbreaks from China in the past) while we were discussing Pelosi’s “No ban act”.
It is a small difference. And we dont know what NSA knows about it. They have their servers where we cant touch them. So they outsmarted our bureaucratic process to make laws that fits our technological reality. (as usual)
Deflect, deflect, deflect.
The point is, the US was one of the last first world countries to have cases of the virus, yet our deaths represents an overwhelmingly larger percentage of global deaths when our population is compared to the global population. I'm no infectious disease doctor, nor politician/president privy to higher levels of intelligence than any of us on this forum have access to, but it doesn't take a genius to realize those facts doesn't demonstrate success.
The US also has one of the most unhealthy populations on the planet. No one was pushing healthy immune systems, eating better, exercising. Just sit in your house, be scared.
More and more evidence and studies have been emerging FINALLY discussing things like this. ALLLLL these running tickers and flipping out over positive cases and yet they fail to mention that a positive case DOES NOT MEAN you are sick or will get sick. Let us know how many of the positive cases actually have/develop SERIOUS illness. But we can’t do that since it’ll ruin the “stay scared” narrative, When this is over it will be found that tens of millions had it at some point and never knew it nor showed any serious symptoms. Hell the CDC said at least 20 million have it and don’t know it months ago. Probably much more now.
No sir, I am not deflecting exactly as I am not trying to demonstrate success or failure.
You made a very clear, definite statement:
"the fact that covid still is such a rampant issue in the US, especially since we had months ahead to prepare for it, can only construed as a fault of the trump administration"
And I am asking a very specific question: what was Trump supposed to do, and when?
I pointed out that what we know so far:
1) CDC and WHO weren't overly worried as of late January (how long did it take for the WHO to simply say "pandemic"?)
2) CDC expert was not overly worried until the beginning of March
3) CDC expert said that President Trump followed all the recommendations that were sent to the Oval Office.
4) The pandemic did a mess in many other places (see Italy, Belgium, Sweden, Spain, Brazil, UK), so looking at Trump as the failure point is proven as reductive at best.
5) China lied multiple times.
So again, the question is simple.
I disagree with (5). I think the major issue is that China could act faster and be more decisive in the early response. They are overly cautious about having strong evidence before putting out warnings to the public. But I don’t know any evidence that they lied or deliberately provide false info. In fact, the information they provide is fairly accurate.