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Trump Administration Considers Global TikTok App Store Ban

LillDrutten said:
Sort of we all ready have, it is called GDPR. So if they leak data for any european citicen they will big fee and can be stopped from have any activity within europe. And it does not matter if it is Trump or Biden. I feel a shame for us europeaans not standing behind USA effort against communist china. Whatever you think about Trump it is very different thing in china. The Americans has chosen Trump, the people of china is not free to select their leaders.
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There is a key difference. GDPR does not punish a company based on what the company might do. It lays out clear regulations. Punishment only occurs when rules are violated. In contrast, US has not presented any evidence of TikTok data leak and is taking action purely based on a possibility.
 
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According to crazy people, all posters are Russian and Chinese trolls and bots. May the best bots meddle with our elections.
 
Wildkraut said:
Sorry, but I wont play the german patriot in anyway, the german government are also just greedy selfish rats cooperating with the USA, as I said before USA “and other countries” ... as half german and brazilian im also ashamed for the current happenings and history of these countries.
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I recommend less moralizing. Governing is hard, and politics is dirty. When national security is involved things get even worse, and now we live in the age of social media so everything is a scandal for a day and so on. The truth is that while it's true that we have lots of improvements in front of us, we in the so-called "first world" live in unprecedented freedoms and unprecedented wealth. China, on the other hand, remains a serious issue. There is no hypocrisy in being worried that US/EU data can be harvested by the CCP.
 
coldwaves said:
US has not presented any evidence of TikTok data leak and is taking action purely based on a possibility.
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Welcome to the world of international politics where almost everything is based on possibilities (domino theory, WMD preemptive wars, Cuban crisis etc.).
 
ksgant said:
No. Also, he has no power to ban it here in the U.S. The executive order means nothing. They know this. But this can also be a tool for him to go "I wanted to ban the Chinese from spying on us, but the Democrats hate America and say I can't ban the app blah blah blah...." because it's all about him.

They probably told him that he can't ban something through this executive order, which makes him want to do it even more because he just CANNOT be wrong about something. He's incapable of being wrong. It's Sharpie-gate all over again.
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He doesn't. He can't. It's all just bluster.
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TikTok is apparently going to sue on two grounds: (1) Lack of Due Process; (2) Insufficient Proof for Invoke National Security Act. In the U.S corporations are entitled to constitutional productions - like people. As a result, the U.S Government can't just take TikTok Property without due process (i.e. Trump has to go through the Courts). This is like using an executive action to ban me selling something - entirely illegal to do this via executive action. Okay, so that is clearly unconstitutional. The only way Trump could ban TikTok is under National Security Threat which there is no smoking gun, but Trump has to prove TikTok is a National Security Threat to the courts in order to ban it.

So, TikTok is actually smart in all this, and they're calling the bluff: "Proove we are national security" Which is something they have been asking for a long, long, time.
 
coldwaves said:
Hypocrisy is defined as the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.
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Are you aware of apps that the US can harvest in the same way?
Are you also saying that the US can’t take counter-intelligence measures until it ends its own intelligence work?
 
Actual advice Putin gave Trump
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“There are actual departments in Government with educated people tasked with laws and commerce and stuff. Yes it’s true!
But let’s override all that when kids on TiKTok humiliate you”
 
neuropsychguy said:
If it's legal for the administration to do this (possibly is), Apple would have to comply as a U.S.-based company. If they incorporated outside the U.S. they wouldn't.

/My comment does not indicate support of this executive action.
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I would argue this is an unjust freezing of speech which the courts tend to rule against.
 
yaxomoxay said:
Are you aware of apps that the US can harvest in the same way?
Are you also saying that the US can’t take counter-intelligence measures until it ends its own intelligence work?
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If "same way" means government asks for and get data from a company, any company under US jurisdiction that has similar kind of data as TikTok.

I did not say it cannot. I say it is hypocritical. Bashing others doing intelligence while doing intelligence itself is hypocritical.
 
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Donald Trump is telling too much lies throughout the presidency and completely broke the integrity of U.S. and Conglomerate firms that it's not safe to elect him anymore.
 
coldwaves said:
If "same way" means government asks for and get data from a company, any company under US jurisdiction that has similar kind of data as TikTok.
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In the US, formally at least, the government can't access privacy data without warrants. Serious procedures are in order to prevent the US from forcing companies to hand over data. This does not happen in China; that's the difference.
 
Techwatcher said:
The virus is the fault of the same country that owns TikTok. Not even a Trump supporter just telling it like it is.
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1,000 Americans are dying per day and other countries have the virus under control, even having sporting events with spectators. No one’s blaming Trump for the virus, they’re blaming him for his response.
 
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Dwalls90 said:
America: Don’t tread on me! Don’t take my liberties! Don’t make me wear a mask!
Also America: We’re going to tell you what you can or cannot do in your own country.
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Breaking: you also cannot legally do other things that compromise national security.
 
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