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Ummm…but, shutting down TikTok, hanging the RINOS, and telling businesses how they can operate is fascism. Breaking it to you.
Fascism to protect you from Communism.
I don't remember any RINOs getting hanged by GOP, but the Dem supporters did try to shoot several of them during sport activities, the media and the Dems did encourage the population to harm the president for years.

Exposing yourself to one side of the story and refusing to hear the counter arguments, is voluntary totalitarianism, and it's always voluntary, until it's too late.
 
LMAO!!!!!!
Why is this a surprise and irritates some folks?
This has been happening since GWB days. It started to really come out during Obama era about the subpoenas and gag orders. Nobody was safe.

Personally I dislike these and feel they are abused. Want to blame someone? Congress keeps extending this ability and still going strong.
Leaking is a just cause. One of them was having an affair with a Chinese operative on top of that.
 
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It’s amazing how fast threads like this become full of contempt for others over “opinions.” I can’t imagine having the time to spend in here debating if the World is Round or Flat.
 
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wow, trump gov does a lot shady things. I am sure other admins did the same.

All US companies are subject to US law unfortunately. There should be an international law since tech is used all around the world.
I actually think you'll find NO other admins have done things like this, the only President CLOSE to such sleaze was Nixon, and his wrong-doing was almost small fry compared to what Trump did on the an almost daily basis. Trump used the presidency for his gain and ONLY his gain. 'Trump First', not 'America First'. He ran the show like a mafia boss or wannabe autocrat.Those are the facts.
 
Fascism to protect you from Communism.
I don't remember any RINOs getting hanged by GOP, but the Dem supporters did try to shoot several of them during sport activities, the media and the Dems did encourage the population to harm the president for years.

Exposing yourself to one side of the story and refusing to hear the counter arguments, is voluntary totalitarianism, and it's always voluntary, until it's too late.

LOL fascism to protect from communism sounds like euthanasia to protect you from cancer, you will die anyway but l like how the word sounds better 😂
 
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It's pathetic seeing people in here having a go at Trump when they know full well if put in the same situation, the Democrats would have done exactly the same thing.
Erm, again, no. No US admin has ever done anything remotely close to Trump. Stuffing posts full of his cronies and then getting them to ILLEGALLY launch investigations into his political enemies for PUNISHMENT. The only people that do that are dictators and autocrats like Putin and Kim Jong Un. This is regardless of politics. I'm a Conservative but what he did goes way beyond abuse of power. I'm just baffled that any true American, true patriot, true Republican (who used to value democracy and the rule of law) could buy into this lies.
 
We are trying to reason with people who are simply looking to justify why they could not get behind the anti war, pro minority president. It’s causing a PR disaster in their morals.
 
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Fascism to protect you from Communism.
I don't remember any RINOs getting hanged by GOP, but the Dem supporters did try to shoot several of them during sport activities, the media and the Dems did encourage the population to harm the president for years.

Exposing yourself to one side of the story and refusing to hear the counter arguments, is voluntary totalitarianism, and it's always voluntary, until it's too late.
I never will understand how American have ZERO understanding of what Communism is! For example, Russia is a former Communist state which is still run by an autocrat in the form of Putin. Putin whom Trump bent over backwards to defend, support, and divulge classified information about the US, plus allowed the bounty hunts of US soldiers in the Middle East by RUSSIAN SUPPORTED MILITARY.
 
It will ALL come out what that grifter admin was up to 🤥
Shameful thing is is supporters don't care. They've been that fooled by a man they think is 'their man'. It really is baffling to watch from the other side of the pond. He ruined America, brought it to it's knees, caused the needless deaths of 100's of 1000's of death from his covid mismanagement, wrecked your institutions, filled Washington with the most corrupt and despicable of people to use the presidency to fill their own pockets, brought democracy to the brink of collapse with his lies, continues to do so, and achieved precisely NOTHING of substance that actually helped America or ordinary Americans. He made America a complete laughing stock across the globe and left your reputation in tatters.... yet people still support him. All because they like to think of themselves s 'owning the libs', when in reality, it's the 'libs' that are the only ones that actually seem to care about America and it's people. It really is sad to see this happen to what many ppl once saw as a 'great' democracy.
 
And how many people died unnecessarily on his watch after being informed by his national security advisors in Jan 2020 sounding the alarm that COVID would result in a pandemic and death not seen in 100 years along with trillions of $ in economic loss, and then two weeks later, telling the American public that the 15 cases would disappear in a couple weeks.
That’s not at all what happened.

Why were you even listening to Trump for guidance at that point if that was your perception?

It was unprecedented events, and Trump was doing 3 hour live press conferences for days on end with health and other officials. He was not inattentive or bumbling. He was undermined (again) when he tried to shut borders down to prevent spread when you allege that he was trying to avoid panic (rightly so, a leader quells panic).

Trump got the vaccine out in under a year. The state level governors screwed up their responses. Trump didn’t do everything perfectly about COVID in retrospect, but he did a lot better than anyone is willing to give him credit for. The CDC got a lot more wrong than trump did. The < one year to a vax was amazing.

He didn’t kill anyone. People were going to die in this. I give his response a B+. Of course this will make me a trump cultist in the eyes of everyone with TDS.
 
Also, schiff was leaking. And the entire apparatus was spying on Trump for less. And anyone alleging that it was for the good of country needs to realize that this goes further than their love /duty to the USA.
 
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I never will understand how American have ZERO understanding of what Communism is! For example, Russia is a former Communist state which is still run by an autocrat in the form of Putin. Putin whom Trump bent over backwards to defend, support, and divulge classified information about the US, plus allowed the bounty hunts of US soldiers in the Middle East by RUSSIAN SUPPORTED MILITARY.
More NYT made up BS
 
It's pathetic seeing people in here having a go at Trump when they know full well if put in the same situation, the Democrats would have done exactly the same thing.
They did do the same thing. They did worse with the help of international security apparatus and media.

They should own that and celebrate that rather than pretending to be choir boys.

Cmon and spike the football already.
 
That’s not at all what happened.

Why were you even listening to Trump for guidance at that point if that was your perception?

It was unprecedented events, and Trump was doing 3 hour live press conferences for days on end with health and other officials. He was not inattentive or bumbling. He was undermined (again) when he tried to shut borders down to prevent spread when you allege that he was trying to avoid panic (rightly so, a leader quells panic).

Trump got the vaccine out in under a year. The state level governors screwed up their responses. Trump didn’t do everything perfectly about COVID in retrospect, but he did a lot better than anyone is willing to give him credit for. The CDC got a lot more wrong than trump did. The < one year to a vax was amazing.

He didn’t kill anyone. People were going to die in this. I give his response a B+. Of course this will make me a trump cultist in the eyes of everyone with TDS.

No, that's exactly what happened. This was back in January 2020 when he was advised by his national security advisors that the pandemic that was forming would cause devastating loss of life and trillions of $ of economic loss, way before COVID spun out of control, when he said the 15 US cases would disappear in two weeks. His daily news conferences began when COVID was out of control, after two months of failed leadership and inaction.
 
i would click that article,
but the NY TIMES would want memberships,
send my computer notifications and alerts of their fake news.
even their crosswords have down biased starting in 2017.

someone typed "And how many people died unnecessarily on his watch after being informed by his national security advisors in Jan 2020 " well, none died and he did want a lockdown from china, but was refused.
and CBS news harped on Vaping instead of SARS-Covid.
until the impeachment failed, then well a picture-1k words
vape corona .jpg
 
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That’s not at all what happened.

Why were you even listening to Trump for guidance at that point if that was your perception?

It was unprecedented events, and Trump was doing 3 hour live press conferences for days on end with health and other officials. He was not inattentive or bumbling. He was undermined (again) when he tried to shut borders down to prevent spread when you allege that he was trying to avoid panic (rightly so, a leader quells panic).

Trump got the vaccine out in under a year. The state level governors screwed up their responses. Trump didn’t do everything perfectly about COVID in retrospect, but he did a lot better than anyone is willing to give him credit for. The CDC got a lot more wrong than trump did. The < one year to a vax was amazing.

He didn’t kill anyone. People were going to die in this. I give his response a B+. Of course this will make me a trump cultist in the eyes of everyone with TDS.
Trump did NOT get the vaccine out - private companies did. He shut the borders with China, not because of his in-depth knowledge of virology and epidemiology, but because F**k China. He knows as much about science as a spoon knows about the taste of food. How anyone, let alone women, could possible have anything but contempt for the Most Disgusting Man on Earth is beyond me. What is wrong with you? Did you not see the press conferences? Inject disinfectant? (people actually tried that - because Trump said so - and died, so yes, his actions were directly responsible for deaths.)
Destroy it with light inside the body? Wu Flu? All over by Easter?
A leader does not quell panic - a leader LEADS! Trump is a lot of things but he's not a leader. Shameless con man, charlatan and self publicist morelike.
Barack Obama created an agency solely to deal with a COVID type event. Stockpiles of protective equipment, teams of researchers and scientists on standby - all the things you would need. Trumps response? Disband it, get rid of the stocks, because it saved some money. That turned out well.
It's true what Churchill said about Americans - they will always do the right thing, but only after trying all the other alternatives.
 
Trump's goons -- including head goon Barr -- went on a Nixonian fishing expedition of at best dubious legality against their foes, and caught no fish, thereby accomplishing nothing but making themselves look even worse in retrospect.

If that isn't the archetypal Trump story, I don't know what is.

Well, that or getting his pants on backward while accusing Biden of cognitive decline.
 
funny how so many love more rules, more taxes, more gov, more media opinions ...... We are here for a good time not for a long time.
Er... where does it say you're here for a good time? The constitution guarantees 'the pursuit of happiness' - not actually happiness. Oh no - move government mandated rules! The Constitution must go! Especially the 2nd Amendment...
 
Hear hear! Too bad those slimy Democrats aren't named. Name em and shame em then vote them the hell out of office! Democrats have been destroying this Country for FAR to long with their "Woke Politics" ********!

MAGA 2025!!!!
Are you for insurrection too?
 
Trump did NOT get the vaccine out - private companies did. He shut the borders with China, not because of his in-depth knowledge of virology and epidemiology, but because F**k China. He knows as much about science as a spoon knows about the taste of food. How anyone, let alone women, could possible have anything but contempt for the Most Disgusting Man on Earth is beyond me. What is wrong with you? Did you not see the press conferences? Inject disinfectant? (people actually tried that - because Trump said so - and died, so yes, his actions were directly responsible for deaths.)
Destroy it with light inside the body? Wu Flu? All over by Easter?
A leader does not quell panic - a leader LEADS! Trump is a lot of things but he's not a leader. Shameless con man, charlatan and self publicist morelike.
Barack Obama created an agency solely to deal with a COVID type event. Stockpiles of protective equipment, teams of researchers and scientists on standby - all the things you would need. Trumps response? Disband it, get rid of the stocks, because it saved some money. That turned out well.
It's true what Churchill said about Americans - they will always do the right thing, but only after trying all the other alternatives.
Lol wow. Comments on light therapy and internal disinfectants were comments about very specific leading edge therapies he was being briefed about in day-long briefings. He didn’t tell you to drink Clorox. You just heard that. That’s the downside to giving 90 minute daily press conferences, versus not doing any like Biden. You open yourself up to having your words twisted by the media. True leaders don’t fear that.

Obama also acted to keep the lid on another viral outbreak during his administration, but not sure why we are talking about him.

Yes, Trump lead. He lead by dealing directly with the vax producers, the CDC, etc and followed with 1 hour + press conferences daily. Knowing full wel that the media would twist his words for the people who are easily manipulated and do not question the media. He did all this while dealing with contrived crisis manufactured by officials with more loyalty to their pet project in the Ukraine, than the USA.
 
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