The expertise isn't there in sufficient numbers. Unemployment is also low and Trump has been busy deporting everyone who isn't a white South African. Where are all these engineers etc going to come from? It's all blather while he raids the stock market at your pension's expense.
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Trump: Apple Building in China is 'Unsustainable,' Could Exempt Some Companies From Tariffs
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Outside of this being almost complete fan fiction, the initial flight to treasuries ended almost immediately. The clown show that is the current administration has people fleeing the USD completely. US treasury yields hit 30 days highs today, and the adult in the room, called the bond market, told the administration to stop this nonsense.
The only problem is, the price of Treasuries has been falling through all of this, as investors dumped assets to raise cash. As a result, Treasury yields have risen. The Fed isn’t going to cut rates anytime soon.
Here’s more of the story on why Trump had to back down…. Last night the US bond market was unwinding in a very frightening manner. The T bills, or so called safe place for all the equities being sold no longer appeared safe.
This may have been triggered by 800 billion in hedge funds “basis trades” that are essentially leveraging the bonds they own.
Bottom line: The Trump White House is a sh*t show run by clowns that have no clue with regard to the complexities of the US economy nor global trade. This is just one example of unintended consequences from Trump’s flawed attempt to have the world kiss his A$$ and inflate his ego.
This is a great point, they'll move back to the US and have to hire H1B to run the places...
If Trump succeeds in bringing back some manufacturing will American consumers be willing to pay higher prices for American made products?
Someone else may have posted this already in a different thread BUT:
Steve Jobs told Barack Obama years ago, "The jobs aren't coming back."
Where does Trump got off thinking he is a freaking know it all?
He says, "Drill Baby Drill" and wants to keep using coal.
Destroy the World just for the sake of the almighty dollar.
"Stop the World I want to get off."
Steve Jobs told Barack Obama years ago, "The jobs aren't coming back."
Where does Trump got off thinking he is a freaking know it all?
He says, "Drill Baby Drill" and wants to keep using coal.
Destroy the World just for the sake of the almighty dollar.
"Stop the World I want to get off."
Very true. I worked in tech for 40 years and participated in hiring folks all the time. I and others probably gave Americans a slight edge due to language and related matters, but 70% of the time we hired someone foreign because we needed the best and there just weren't enough to find.
Apple is a TECH company. Why is this even such a big deal? “I NEED to update my device EVERY year!!!”. People need to genuinely get a grip on reality and separate themselves from such consumerism that it blinds them from the fact that their devices can last many, MANY years. I’ve been using the same devices for 5 years now, I still am very capable of performing the tasks I NEED.
The Chinese trade surplus with the US, amounting to approximately 3% of China’s GDP, is not so substantial that its loss would devastate their economy. China could redirect many of these goods to other nations, which may welcome the additional supply to a certain extent, or enhance domestic sales to absorb the surplus. Economic hardship perceived as a result of US hostility might also unify the Chinese populace, strengthening national resolve.
On 9 April 2025, Trump imposed a new 104% tariff on Chinese goods, giving China a mere day to concede before the measure took effect. China, however, retaliated by announcing an additional 50% tariff on US imports, bringing their total to 84%, effective from midnight on 10 April, and adding a number of US companies to its export control list and unreliable entity list. Trump appeared genuinely surprised that China declined to make concessions in exchange for relief, opting instead for significant retaliation. This reaction reflects China’s strategic learning from the trade war four to eight years prior, during which they developed resilience against such pressures.
On 9 April 2025, Trump imposed a new 104% tariff on Chinese goods, giving China a mere day to concede before the measure took effect. China, however, retaliated by announcing an additional 50% tariff on US imports, bringing their total to 84%, effective from midnight on 10 April, and adding a number of US companies to its export control list and unreliable entity list. Trump appeared genuinely surprised that China declined to make concessions in exchange for relief, opting instead for significant retaliation. This reaction reflects China’s strategic learning from the trade war four to eight years prior, during which they developed resilience against such pressures.
The EU imposed a 25% tariff on US imports as thanks for Trump's initial largesse and is mooting further retaliatory tariffs on services, which will hit Meta etc very hard. Now Trump drops it to 10% because the EU supposedly came to the table? Please...
I agree most don't need to upgrade every year (or even two or three), but we should be a capitalistic country in my opinion. Apple should do their best to make what people will buy and make as big a profit as they can. If people like what they sell and can afford it they buy. To artificially make Apple make less profit, sell fewer units and have each unit cost way more makes no sense. To do that just to maybe increase US jobs is socialism and not capitalism. If we want more production in the US then offer Apple and others real incentives like tax breaks, land grants, etc. if they build factories here. Don't force them to make less profit and make things more expensive for Americans. The US should make it so that Apple and others will profit MORE if they produce more in the US
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The failed ones and the succcessfu, opps forgot, there are no successfull ones, except the scam university that he made money off of.
Just the facts.
Probably because there are 8 billion people in the world with 400,000 births every day.
And they have been working on just that for a number of years now. I won't say they plan to move OUT of China as much as they are making sure they have alternatives and extra capacity.
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I have a 2019 iPad that could use an update. I got the 32 GB version refurbished. Being cheap makes a difference.
Everyone is making products last a shorter amount of time. My 10 year old Dell PC with Windows 10 may have to retire in October. Still works fine. No PC maker has made a dime off me, and I'm sure that doesn't set well.
I purchased Mac OS Snow Leopard on DVD for $30 from Apple, naturally, years ago.
Apple products, and others, would last longer if the OS cost a nominal amount to upgrade.
I can envision an Apple One style upgrade package for multiple Apple products.
I do not believe the OS for anything must be updated annually.
So Apple dropped below Microsoft as most valuable company because Apple imports hardware.
Did people (investors) forget that Microsoft relies on software largely and that software requires... hardware?
If people cant afford to buy new laptops then all those clean Win 11 licence fees drop off a cliff.
And things get tougher, will people still pay for Office 365? There's already been pushback about fee increases for the AI part noone seems to want to pay for.
This dangerous game isnt over no matter what the stock market rebound might be showing.
90 days delays the next step.
The EU was slow to react to the first round of metal tariffs. How is he going to react to their response now?
Crazy days ahead... unless the fake Simpsons cartoon prediction comes true
Did people (investors) forget that Microsoft relies on software largely and that software requires... hardware?
If people cant afford to buy new laptops then all those clean Win 11 licence fees drop off a cliff.
And things get tougher, will people still pay for Office 365? There's already been pushback about fee increases for the AI part noone seems to want to pay for.
This dangerous game isnt over no matter what the stock market rebound might be showing.
90 days delays the next step.
The EU was slow to react to the first round of metal tariffs. How is he going to react to their response now?
Crazy days ahead... unless the fake Simpsons cartoon prediction comes true
moving manufacturing around is like shuffling deckchairs on the Titanic.[News] Samsung Reportedly Increasing Production of Made-in-China Phones
As reported by the South Korean tech media outlet TheElec, South Korean smartphone giant Samsung is said to be planning to increase the production of ...
shuffling manufacturing around doesn't happen much but EXPANDING manufacturing to new places is common and makes good sense often. Sometimes it can get you closer to a new market. It can add redundancy in case of natural (or man made) disaster. You can maybe leverage cheaper natural resources in the new location. And you can leverage skilled workers in certain new locations.
It would be completely implausible for Apple to manufacture even a tenth of their products in the US. Besides the literal cities of workers that staff the factories in China, it would just cost far too much. Apple's competitors, like Samsung, would continue using cheaper labor and parts, undercutting Apple significantly on price and speed to market. While I'm all for trying to make it fairer, we live in a global economy, and to deny that reality will hurt American companies and people.
Probably all the words that apply to Trump are on the forum ban lists so not even going to try.