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Trump Believes Apple Could Manufacture iPhones in the U.S.
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While they could manufacture iPhones in the US, expect an absolutely enormous price increase, probably triple the price if not more.
With who to work there? Seriously who… the people he is deporting?
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People don't take you seriously when you post easily debunked tripe, FWIW.
AAPL dropping like a rock right now. Zero, Zero, ZERO CHANCE they make the iPhone in America.
A base iPhone would have to be $1000 more than current prices. So, $1700 for a base model flagship non-Pro iPhone.
A base iPhone would have to be $1000 more than current prices. So, $1700 for a base model flagship non-Pro iPhone.
You get what you deserve, America. Please enjoy. 😆
I'm expecting Trump to give Apple billions to build new factories, train and hire tens of thousands of people, and pay their salaries. And do this all in the next month.
Dumbo has a brain the size of a mosquito.
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Dumbo has a brain the size of a mosquito.
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Where are you pulling this fact from?
Wow, I wonder why they haven’t thought of that yet? 🥴
Yeah creating zero jobs in the process which was the point of the tariffs.
The article quotes Tim Cook as saying "China stopped being the low labor cost country many years ago. The reason is because of the skill, the quantity of skill in one location, and the type of skill it is."
If that's really the case (which I doubt btw) then all of the arguments against moving manufacturing to the US because prices would go up are moot. All we would need to do is develop the quantity and type of skill here in the US, which there is absolutely no reason why we can't
Trump also thinks—and this is 100% true—that every person is born with a finite amount of energy and you die when you run out, so I don’t think I’ll take his word on what Apple is capable of manufacturing and where.
This is not blue/read/MAGA/No-MAGA/anything, this is just one view of the economy putting that aside:
We have incredibly talent, intelligent, perhaps the best in the world or amongst them engineers, but even if we could get these production lines, buildings, supply chains, etc built in years and not decades (we can't do it overnight: have a look at Intel Fab 42, the TSMC fabs in AZ, etc, they take 5-10 years, even assembly lines take quite some time, and market-driven companies that report earnings to the public markets think in quarters, not years, let alone multiple years in nearly every decision, so even long term strategic initiatives and capex have to make sense this quarter), who will work there?
We have clamped down on even legal immigration now, too.
But this is not just recent, this degradation of education (STEM specifically) has been going on for decades. This didn't happen overnight. Nor even the course of one or even two administrations. This has been happening for decades.
Give a quick search of the forums for iPhone pricing. This forum is probably amongst the segment of the population who both can and will pay top dollar, and you'll find so much complaining about a $100 price increase. So, really, who thinks people will pay 2-3x for a US made phone, even if we could make it. So, let's pretend we COULD make it with zero price increase (we can't), show me the labor, where is it? Where are these individuals who are skilled assembly workers en masse who aren't already employed, show me the pipeline of educaitonal institutions where we are developing a labor force our domestic companies can rely on so that "if they build it, someone will be there to come to work"? If we could fiat the entire infrastructure into instant existance it would do nothing but stand largely idle because the workers don't exist to staff these factories and the robots don't do it all yet and they actually won't for sometime yet (and very skilled yet still blue/white collar hybrid workforces are very necessary there who have very specialized skills to make those work!).
They do not exist at the scale we need them to. We have to solve for that first. And we're going rapidly in the wrong direction, and that's not a political statement, that's just an objective reality of what happens when you remove education, and specifically science, technology, and math education from our list of national priorities.
We have incredibly talent, intelligent, perhaps the best in the world or amongst them engineers, but even if we could get these production lines, buildings, supply chains, etc built in years and not decades (we can't do it overnight: have a look at Intel Fab 42, the TSMC fabs in AZ, etc, they take 5-10 years, even assembly lines take quite some time, and market-driven companies that report earnings to the public markets think in quarters, not years, let alone multiple years in nearly every decision, so even long term strategic initiatives and capex have to make sense this quarter), who will work there?
We have clamped down on even legal immigration now, too.
But this is not just recent, this degradation of education (STEM specifically) has been going on for decades. This didn't happen overnight. Nor even the course of one or even two administrations. This has been happening for decades.
Give a quick search of the forums for iPhone pricing. This forum is probably amongst the segment of the population who both can and will pay top dollar, and you'll find so much complaining about a $100 price increase. So, really, who thinks people will pay 2-3x for a US made phone, even if we could make it. So, let's pretend we COULD make it with zero price increase (we can't), show me the labor, where is it? Where are these individuals who are skilled assembly workers en masse who aren't already employed, show me the pipeline of educaitonal institutions where we are developing a labor force our domestic companies can rely on so that "if they build it, someone will be there to come to work"? If we could fiat the entire infrastructure into instant existance it would do nothing but stand largely idle because the workers don't exist to staff these factories and the robots don't do it all yet and they actually won't for sometime yet (and very skilled yet still blue/white collar hybrid workforces are very necessary there who have very specialized skills to make those work!).
They do not exist at the scale we need them to. We have to solve for that first. And we're going rapidly in the wrong direction, and that's not a political statement, that's just an objective reality of what happens when you remove education, and specifically science, technology, and math education from our list of national priorities.
Yeah, unions would totally extort Apple into paying and treating their workers fairly...
That's the Catch-22 here, people. These things are made overseas because workers are unprotected and can be exploited. Make them in America, and expect the price of labour to increase. Pay the tariffs or pay the workers, either way the price goes up. There's no fantasy option where products are made in the U.S. at the same cost at which they are produced in Asian factories, unless worker's rights and minimum wage are abolished.
Make the iphones in the usa and the iPhone will be cheaper because we won’t have the tarrifs . . . RIGHT???
Please come liberate us… Europe you owe us a liberation… France you kind of get a pass.
…do you think politicians have special insight into manufacturing and supply chains?
Are we going to nuclear war with China? Is that the next step? Is the Doomsday Clock closer than ever? This is absolute insanity
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Apple pays $5 per manufactured iPhone in China. Around $8-$10 in India. There’s no reason that it couldn’t be made for $40 in the USA.
It’s mostly machines making these things. Yes there’s talent, but AAPL isn’t willing to pay anyone except its executives. The executives take in hundreds of millions per year in stock alone. Everyone gets screwed. China, Apple employees, and every stakeholders who isn’t a shareholder. Tim cares about his buddies and his shareholders.
All the CEOs who shipped the jobs outside the USA to make money did it due to greed not because the USA couldn’t manufacture it. The military and the contractors can make stealth bombers but they couldn’t make an iPhone in the USA? Give me a break. Tim is a Crook and so are all the politicians and CEOs!
Edit: Apple pays Foxconn $5 to assemble each iPhone in China. Not that the assembled iPhone costs Apple $5. Come on people. It’s $5 for the assembly process. $5!!!! And less than $5 more than that in India. The point here is even if it cost Apple $200 more for American labor, it would cost less than 104% tariffs in China. The whole thing is Congress should have put in place regulations many years ago that didn’t ship all the jobs overseas to begin with. The CEOs shouldn’t have been so greedy. But that’s the nature of people like Tim Crook. They’re doing what makes their shareholders the most money and themselves wealthy in the process. My point is that a founder CEO cares more about the other stakeholders like customers, employees, contractors, places they do business in, and etc. Tim only cares about the shareholders as that’s what makes him wealthy. It’s a rigged system to begin with. And the problem in America is, all the companies got rid of defined benefit pension programs, great insurance and more benefits. Now, it’s all greed focused. I believe a good leader makes all the stakeholders happy. But the environment that we are in the focus is on greed which equals money. Until the people fight back and the government stops the transfer of wealth to the top 1% and other nations, this will continue.
And yes, the company buying the products in America from China pay the tariffs. Usually that means those get passed on to the consumers - but there’s no reason to panic. Americans are addicted to buying cheap crap. Maybe the focus should be on buying quality goods that are needed rather than crap that breaks and needs replaced annually - think how office furniture went from being something that would last centuries to now something that may last a few years as it’s all not real wood. Well it’s cheaper all right. Same for iPhones - Americans will make high quality goods if you give them their benefits back! Come on CEOs come on crooks in Congress, do your job.
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I truly don't know what universe Trump lives in that he thinks America can make anything cheaply that people will buy in mass.
People don't buy the $1500 California option unless Sony just signed them, or they've been playing 20 years and are completely obsessed... most consumers just buy the Indonesian ones when they're $249 on Black Friday. Unless you specifically check, you'll never even know if it's a Mexi or American or Asian Strat.
Trumpers think they're ready for a $19.95 t-shirt becoming $68 overnight. They are not.
We have the example already for some 70 years now. The Fender Stratocaster guitar. True, it's not iPhone-level complicated, it's frankly some wood, paint, a little nickel/steel and magnets. Still. The American instrument starts at $1500. The Mexican one is $700. The Indonesian one is $400.
People don't buy the $1500 California option unless Sony just signed them, or they've been playing 20 years and are completely obsessed... most consumers just buy the Indonesian ones when they're $249 on Black Friday. Unless you specifically check, you'll never even know if it's a Mexi or American or Asian Strat.
Trumpers think they're ready for a $19.95 t-shirt becoming $68 overnight. They are not.
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People don't take you seriously when you post easily debunked tripe, FWIW.
His actual speech where he suggests using "disinfectant" inside, performed by a medical doctor.
You call that debunked tripe?
I don't know what you know about iPhone assembly but 95% of it is assembled by hand.
Trump believes tariffs are paid by exporting countries. He isn't very smart.