Trump Plans to Ban TikTok From the U.S.

[MacFan782040]

I wish more of this video apps would make iyt hard to record portrate, unless you are filming the collapse of a tall building, at least I feel theat video content is best wide screen (yea I'm old). Correct me if I'm wrong but most screens thatt are not easely rotatable (ie anything but phones, phablets and tablets) are usual wider than they are tall.

I used to think this (I’m probably older than you and come from a broadcast tv background) but vertical video is here to stay and provides many benefits. Today it’s all about shooting for your end device, and even things like theatrical movie trailers have gotten super creative editing trailers in vertical format. I actually enjoy the possibilities it has opened.

 

[0924487]

Yeah, agree. If "control" means totally eradication, then I would agree it is almost impossible to do. If "control" means keeping infection at a low level so the society can function close to normal, there are many examples. Not only can it be done, it has been done by many countries.

I would argue that it is good enough for the time being. In East Asia, they have more flu cases than COVID cases now. You only need to wear masks if you enter massive malls or take mass public transit. All businesses are as normal. You can go to fancy restaurants, gyms, etc all without masks. Factory and meat processing plant infections are unheard of. The economic impact over there is really minimal. Based on data I have access to, contrary to public belief, global investment is actually moving into China again, both from Europe and America. I guess investors don’t like dead money, high inflation and high risks elsewhere around the world.

 

[coldwaves]

I would argue that it is good enough for the time being. In East Asia, they have more flu cases than COVID cases now. You only need to wear masks if you enter massive malls or take mass public transit. All businesses are as normal. You can go to fancy restaurants, gyms, etc all without masks. Factory and meat processing plant infections are unheard of. The economic impact over there is really minimal. Based on data I have access to, contrary to public belief, global investment is actually moving into China again, both from Europe and America. I guess investors don’t like dead money, high inflation and high risks elsewhere around the world.

Agree. In many Asian countries society are functioning close to normal. Talked to my Korean friends a few weeks ago. They are basically living a normal life as before the pandemic. Some of the hit to business from the lockdown, of course, will take some time to heal.

Despite all these publicity about TikTok and Huawei, investors do not seem to be hindered by the geopolitical tension. I do not see a so-called decoupling happening in any meaningful scale at the moment despite all the rhetoric. If anything, more invest seems to flow into the Chinese financial market, partly due to the further opening up of the financial market to foreign investors.

 

[russell_314]

Agree. In many Asian countries society are functioning close to normal. Talked to my Korean friends a few weeks ago. They are basically living a normal life as before the pandemic. Some of the hit to business from the lockdown, of course, will take some time to heal.

Despite all these publicity about TikTok and Huawei, investors do not seem to be hindered by the geopolitical tension. I do not see a so-called decoupling happening in any meaningful scale at the moment despite all the rhetoric. If anything, more invest seems to flow into the Chinese financial market, partly due to the further opening up of the financial market to foreign investors.

Isolation only hurts us (The USA). Maybe at one time the USA was powerful enough to cause significant damage to the world economy but not today. Just look at Huawei for example. The US government tried to hurt them by using a US company, Google but it had just the opposite result. They just overtook Samsung in sales. While the USA has a significant population of over 300 million that's less than 5% of the worlds population. Now the damage done by excluding Huawei from the USA is significant. It means our 5G network will be lagging behind the rest of the world. It's politics so at the end of the day it means very little to me. I won't die because my 5G signal isn't as good and I'm still making money so oh well what can I do...

 

[coldwaves]

Isolation only hurts us (The USA). Maybe at one time the USA was powerful enough to cause significant damage to the world economy but not today. Just look at Huawei for example. The US government tried to hurt them by using a US company, Google but it had just the opposite result. They just overtook Samsung in sales. While the USA has a significant population of over 300 million that's less than 5% of the worlds population. Now the damage done by excluding Huawei from the USA is significant. It means our 5G network will be lagging behind the rest of the world. It's politics so at the end of the day it means very little to me. I won't die because my 5G signal isn't as good and I'm still making money so oh well what can I do...

I think the short term impact on US is fairly limited. There are alternatives to Huawei equipment. They might be more expensive but nonetheless should work just fine. Not sure about the long-term impact. Some argue that this will provide incentives to create a supply chain out of the US equipment and eventually hurt US technological lead. I can see the logic here, but am not fully convinced yet. I cannot see clearly whether a US independent supply chain will emerge or it will be a replay of Japanese semiconductor business. One reason I tend to think a replay of the Japanese story is a bit less likely today is that Japan is a US vassal state under military occupation and thus has very limited scope of maneuver. China is not in that situation. Plus, Chinese market itself is big and still developing fairly fast. That might be an lucrative incentive for a US free supply chain.

In my opinion, the best strategy for US in the long-term is keep selling its tech. Using the money to further its technological developments. That's the best incentive to maintain the supply chain and profit to the US. It is probably futile to stop China from advancing in tech. US may be able to kill HiSilicone today, but those engineers are still there, those knowledge are still there. Years of R&D do not simply disappear even the company may not survive.

 

[rlhamil]

What a joke. Ban TikTok (which I personally don’t care about) for safety and security reasons, but can’t do a national mandate to wear masks for public health and safety reasons. That goes to show you that ‘states rights’ is BS from top to bottom. Shouldn’t ‘states’ be the ones to ban TikTok from their state? You know, like COVID testing and public health and safety protocols?

States rights is a joke and has a racist history

States rights has been ABUSED for racist purposes frequently, but it's not just about that! The federal government was created by the states, which gave up some but not all of their sovereignty to it.

TikTok involves interstate and indeed international communications. That puts it beyond the authority of individual states. But most matters of personal conduct are, except on federal property, controlled by the states. Not agreeing with who does what doesn't change how it got that way.

 

[Gasu E.]

We need to be taking a very hard look at Chinese investment and operations in the United States; I work in foreign investment in Asia — let me tell you, they certainly take a hard look at our companies in China, and impose a lot of terrible conditions.

To me, one of the great things about the USA was that it wasn't like China. I guess we can agree to disagree.