Trump Plans to Ban TikTok From the U.S.

[bn-7bc]

I think Apple will buy TikTok.

Think about it...
-HUGE Millennial & Gen Z userbase
-Will re-write app from ground up to address privacy
-Can integrate Apple Music / AppleTV+
-It's the future standard of short video content on the internet
-Video creation tools/promote iPhone camera
-AI and algorithms
-Can negotiate deal for China exposure/manufacturing/not banning app (like FB)

TikTok isn't just high school kids doing silly videos. It's a powerful social media app. Don't underestimate it!

I wish more of this video apps would make iyt hard to record portrate, unless you are filming the collapse of a tall building, at least I feel theat video content is best wide screen (yea I'm old). Correct me if I'm wrong but most screens thatt are not easely rotatable (ie anything but phones, phablets and tablets) are usual wider than they are tall.

 

[bn-7bc]

We as Americans have long had the opportunity to choose our level of privacy in the apps we choose to use. If it isn’t classified information I think this should continue to be the case. Locking down software and services because they come from another country is the start of building the Great Firewall of the US. It sets a really bad precedent.

You might be right, but for certain segments of the population all that matters is using the latest fad app, security/privacy just melts into the noise, untill the day something leaks, and the video you shared with just a few trusted friends gets leaked , and suddenluy everyone is laughing at you or is commenting meanly about shomthing that was seen in the video that is not usually shown in public. God luck geting compensation from a Chinese company, depending on sercomstances it might even be a tough job with a US company

 

[coldwaves]

How can the orange clown ‘ban’ an app? Under what pretense? Offering what proof? What pathetic moron...

"National security" these days is the catch-all reason for anything......

 

[MarkAtl]

I have been wondering about this sort of cases. For example, a employee works for a company and wrote a software himself/herself for the company as his/her job. This software usually is considered the company's property. Now this employee stop working for the company and started his/her own company. He/She probably is capable of writing a similar software independently without having any documents/materials taken from the previous company. Would this kind of practice be considered IP theft in general? Will the judgment be based on how similar the software are? In your case, it seems to be very obvious as they even use the sale materials. But I am wondering about how things play out for the less obvious cases.

I have also thought about this in an academic/university setting. For example, a postdoc developed a new experimental method at one university and then move to another university. Does the postdoc violate the IP property if he/she uses the novel method he/she developed in the previous university at his/her new work place? What would be considered boundary of knowledge and IP property? Sometimes, a faculty may have joint appointment in several institutions. The boundary between knowledge and IP property is even more vague here.

I am genuinely curious about this and has asked the university about this. They look at me as if I am asking a insane and stupid question.

If there is no patent protection, or there’s a way around the patents, then someone could definitely recreate something. Also, I’d assume there is no non-compete in place (which I’m some places isn’t enforceable).

In the case I mentioned the company told the old development team to stop using their sales materials, which they did, but I am 100% confident the code was developed on company time. How do I know this? It was demoed to me in meetings in China, I know they were working on it during business hours, and screenshots of the solution they sell now look the same.

 

[hagjohn]

Is it entirely his job? How much control do you want Washington to have over you?

During a pandemic, yes, I want Washington to coordinate with all the states to get rid of the disease (COVID) as quickly as possible. As for TikTok, I would like to see some proof that they are a national security threat.

 

[beanbaguk]

Sweet... I'm tired of seeing the same skits over and over infecting twitter, Facebook, insta and YouTube...

Rubbish platform or not, this is outright censorship which is the core of Trumps rhetoric.

The man is a tyrant and hypocrite, (condemning Hong Kong election delays, yet considering the same in the United States....)

 

[Flight Plan]

Wish Trump put as much energy into controlling Covid.

"Controlling Covid", as if that can even be done.

The president certainly has the authority to do it. The key thing is whether it should be done based on what one perceived to happen and not based on what actually happened. That a person may commit a crime in the future does not justify putting that person in jail now.

You're really on about "due process" here. But none of that applies, because this matter has nothing to do with US Citizens' rights. Your "proof" simply isn't needed in order for the President to take an action on this matter.

...How much control do you want Washington to have over you?

We should always be asking this question of ourselves.

Tik Tok is a terrible service - I have literally never encountered a dumber “social media” service than this. That said: if people want to use idiotic services, hand over their private data to China and publicly and indelibly make idiots of themselves, let them. It’s not the governments business what people do with their private lives...

Except that in this case it's about national security. And that is actually the President's #1 responsibility, and it is enumerated so.

I want Washington to keep me from dying, if possible.

I've got some disturbing news for you. I hope you can handle it without having a total breakdown. Ain't none of us getting out of this alive. Not in the physical sense anyway.

Yes...and always in service to his reelection and fragile ego.

This is the "go to" argument of one of my friends.

For everything the President does. "He's just trying to get re-elected!"

And that somehow results in...him...losing votes?

"Oh, well he just has a fragile ego!"

There's a lot of derp there.

I guess there’s a first time for everything; I actually agree with Trump on this one.

Next, if he could get to work on keeping my elderly relatives protected during a pandemic, that’d be just super.

For every illness, there will be a high-risk group. No way around it. But I'm with you. The masks only provide 3% added protection, so I would like to see something more effective; something that doesn't have the visual effect of muzzling humans like they were dangerous animals.

Can’t wait for the NBA and Steve Kerr to chime in how banning TikTok is such an unfair and inhumane move for the people of China.

This is comic genius right here. Well played!

Thanks for linking that. I am aware of the investigation. If through investigation, the US government finds credible evidence that TikTok indeed violates US law, I would fully support punitive action against TikTok. What I am against is banning an app based on belief or speculation.

Again, this is not an individual rights issue. Proof is not needed. The President (and Congress, by the way), have a primary responsibility to protect the US from those who would do us harm. And I think we have PLENTY of evidence that China would love to do us harm.

You actually trust the Chinese. Their largest export is counterfeit items and slave labor.

Well put!

Like a hot war or two?

This president is the most anti-war president since...Reagan! Obama launched more ordinance than GHWB, and Clinton regularly bombed janitors in empty buildings!

Everyone crying and complaining about the move to ban TikTok based on “beliefs”, also don’t realize they don’t know everything that the administration knows but does not divulge publicly.

This is a great point.

The same can be said everywhere for American companies. Should they all reciprocate and ban American companies?

They have the right to do so, even though it would damage them immeasurably.

I'll say this about Trump. He is strong worded with people publicly while working out "deals" with them privately. I wouldn't be shocked if he's working out a deal for china to continue to take data from USA citizens if Trump benefits in some way. Why? Because Trump can care less about the average citizen of the USA.

Seriously? Do you actually think that the President would enter into a deal to HURT the US and then TRUST that tidbit of knowledge to not be disclosed at some point in a tell-all book? I call BS on your critical thinking skills. 🤔

How can the orange clown ‘ban’ an app? Under what pretense? Offering what proof? What pathetic moron...

Be careful who you call "moron". Proof not needed. This is not an individual rights issue. The President and Congress have the right and the responsibility to protect US citizens, and it's their #1 priority, or at least that is how it is enumerated.

 

[Justanotherfanboy]

An evil foreign government harvesting Americans data is not a problem?

Yes!!!!! Only evil local governments should harvest data.

/s

 

[Vasilioskn]

I’m glad he has his priorities straight after all that golfing.

 

[Steve686]

During a pandemic, yes, I want Washington to coordinate with all the states to get rid of the disease (COVID) as quickly as possible. As for TikTok, I would like to see some proof that they are a national security threat.

The other disease that needs to be eradicated is the one infecting people and making them think it is ok to riot and burn properties down while hurling explosive devices at local law enforcement in the name of peaceful protesting. Deaths have resulted and crime has soared in these areas of unrest.

The CIC has sent federal troops in where local law enforcement has not been able to quell the violence and everyone's panties have been up in a bind about that.

 

[marco114]

Instagram is releasing a Tik Tok clone this week. Interesting timing.

 

[az431]

I think this is not a good move for the industry. Is it legitimate to ban an app based on what it thinks the app could/might do in the future? I would support banning a app if it violates or refuses to obey local laws. US government cannot show any evidence that TikTok violates any US law. This move is purely a political move. To be honest, TikTok is banned because Bytedance is a Chinese company and TikTok is leading in this market. To use national security as the reason is completely BS.

yes it is.

 

[AustinIllini]

I'll be honest, I'm a liberal but I'm fine with this. You don't want the most popular social network for the next generation to be based in China, where data is basically owned by the government. I think this is the wrong fight.

 

[Techwatcher]

Of course it should be banned! Only US companies should be allowed to spy on Americans!

That kind of reasoning is exactly why the USA is in the position it is in when it comes to China. Stop it.

 

[jlseattle]

USA companies and politicians would sell USA data to foreign countries if they could make a profit

 

[Seoras]

Election coming up and the most popular social media platform has an editorial that isn't "neutral" in his favour.
What's next Donald John? Twitter?

 

[russell_314]

Instagram is releasing a Tik Tok clone this week. Interesting timing.

Unfortunately this is politics as usual for DC. The last bit of news I've heard is the government isn't going to ban TikTok but rather force them to sell it.

 

[russell_314]

During a pandemic, yes, I want Washington to coordinate with all the states to get rid of the disease (COVID) as quickly as possible. As for TikTok, I would like to see some proof that they are a national security threat.

There is no proof because it's a political move to push for trade negotaions. Trump even said this about Huawei when the whole fake national security threat thing went on about them.

 

[Rainshadow]

I think this is not a good move for the industry. Is it legitimate to ban an app based on what it thinks the app could/might do in the future? I would support banning a app if it violates or refuses to obey local laws. US government cannot show any evidence that TikTok violates any US law. This move is purely a political move. To be honest, TikTok is banned because Bytedance is a Chinese company and TikTok is leading in this market. To use national security as the reason is completely BS.

Its not what they “might do”. It’s what information they will have at their fingertips. Besides some form of sanctions, which are often instituted for national security, I think national security reasons are the BEST reason to drop a potential intelligence leak. This isn’t silencing our own companies or stopping specific speech. It’s a Foreign company that can be controlled by a hostile country that collects data and has access to potentially every America directly or indirectly.

China is currently, actively, using cutting edge technology to control, predetermine, and stifle their population, crimes and freedoms respectively. The world is shrinking and is becoming increasingly interwoven. Things are bad enough in the US. Do we really need to be tethered more tightly with data miners from China? Just so some people can watch stupid videos?

“When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again“ - Margaret Thatcher, Edith Hamilton, or Edward Gibbon - who knows...

 

[iMi]

Good. There should be no China owned companies or businesses allowed in the USA. They area controlled and responsible to the CCP who are the true bad actors in this day and age. The communist party ruins the lives of the honest and good people of China, steal intellectual property from US and European companies, and had no problem spreading their Virus through the world. The people of the world and the people of China deserve better than the thuggish communist government that runs a once great country.

Take a hard, long look at your own government before you make such bold statements about China. Talk about kettle calling the pot black.

 

[coldwaves]

Its not what they “might do”. It’s what information they will have at their fingertips. Besides some form of sanctions, which are often instituted for national security, I think national security reasons are the BEST reason to drop a potential intelligence leak. This isn’t silencing our own companies or stopping specific speech. It’s a Foreign company that can be controlled by a hostile country that collects data and has access to potentially every America directly or indirectly.

China is currently, actively, using cutting edge technology to control, predetermine, and stifle their population, crimes and freedoms respectively. The world is shrinking and is becoming increasingly interwoven. Things are bad enough in the US. Do we really need to be tethered more tightly with data miners from China? Just so some people can watch stupid videos?

“When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again“ - Margaret Thatcher, Edith Hamilton, or Edward Gibbon - who knows...

I certainly understand some of the perceived risk. I disagree with how realistic that assessment is but understand why some people think that way. What I am against is punitive action based purely on perceived risk. I think the fair way to deal with such risk is to have specific regulations about data security that applies to every company. Take action against a company when it violates regulations or refuses to comply. Do not ban a company because you think it might violate it or it might have the capability to violate it. It is hypocritical to do this while claim you have free and fair market and rule of law.

In my opinion, this ban has nothing to do with national security. It is because TikTok starts to be dominating and TikTok is owned by a foreign company. If TikTok is a Japanese or French company, the same will happen, maybe in slightly different flavors. It is a deja vu of Toshiba in 1987 and Alstom in 2014.

 

[0924487]

"Controlling Covid", as if that can even be done.

China, Korea, and Japan all did it successfully.

 

[damphoose]

2020 gets better every day. is this what ”all the best words” gets us?

 

[coldwaves]

China, Korea, and Japan all did it successfully.

Yeah, agree. If "control" means totally eradication, then I would agree it is almost impossible to do. If "control" means keeping infection at a low level so the society can function close to normal, there are many examples. Not only can it be done, it has been done by many countries.

 

[Vanilla35]

The president certainly has the authority to do it. The key thing is whether it should be done based on what one perceived to happen and not based on what actually happened. That a person may commit a crime in the future does not justify putting that person in jail now.

Minority report has something to say about that