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Trump Signs Executive Order Giving ByteDance 90 Days to Sell US TikTok Business

The number of insane people in this thread is worrying. Basically the logic is this:

Trump is the President, but not responsible for anything bad.

China is responsible for everything bad, but don't try to apply previous logic here otherwise you are un-american.

Tik Tok is a stupid video app that barely does anything more than snapchat or facebook or instagram (which, btw was just found to be stealing biometric data as well), yet nobody really makes a big deal about them. The ONLY reason Trump is going against Tik Tok is because it screwed up his rally. Yet Russians are able to infiltrate America with an open door policy to help Trump.

People here are so obviously ignorant of the real issues, and clearly influenced by media pan handling.

It's scary some of your replies. This feels very much like 1930's, looks like time hasn't changed.

Just boggles my mind - Chinese communists are more capitalists than Americans. Even Trump said himself, its easier to start a business in China than in the US (this was when Trump was super pro China, and had to silence himself from saying all these things when on the campaign trail)

To the 99% of people who've never been to China, who think China is some evil opressive nation, I suggest you go there and see for yourself, and then come back and see what's happening here. You'll had the wool pulled over your eyes.
 
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tridley68 said:
Thank you President Trump keep up the good work.
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I observe the situation outside America, in friendship with this country and I like most things that America stands for. And I detest many things that Trump seems to stand for (racism, ignorance, etc.)
I am concerned about how people who think they want to make America 'strong again' fall for this man.
His ideas are not thought through, and his methods are close to those of a dictator. Too many Germans liked a dictator in the 1930s, because they hoped to liberate their country from "foreign bondage".

The revulsion of many Republicans towards this man is clearly shown in the emotionally acting videos of the Lincoln Project (You Tube).
 
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Dictating and being legal and enforceable are two different things.

My Governor signed an executive order transferring my department/division (in state government) to one under his control at one point, it never happened. It wasn't even a fight, I asked, someone said it wasn't legit and verified it with the attorney general and it was over (I suppose some higher-ups might have filed some paperwork, but I felt more like it just went away).

I'm not saying that this is legit or not (they weren't claiming national security threats in my case) but I was in a department of the government while this is a private company.
 
BaltimoreMediaBlog said:
Thank You. And Joe Biden will do nothing against China or Tiktok because all his family's money is generated in China through his son Hunter
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Trump family generates money from China too. And many other places like Saudi Arabia.

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Who was responsible for 9/11 attacks again? Let's ask Trump...

Donald Trump Suggested Saudi Arabia Was Behind 9/11 Multiple Times Wednesday


Would Trump be taking all this action against TikTok/China if it wasn't an election year (he needs someone to vilify and blame for the U.S.'s problems), or if he didn't get pwned by Sarah Cooper and TikTok kids at his Tulsa rally?

Trump's controversial ZTE order came days after the Chinese government provided millions to a Trump Organization-tied project

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Ivanka Trump’s Chinese trademarks raise questions about potential conflicts of interest

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Two years into his presidency, Donald Trump continues to make money from properties and licensing deals in nearly two dozen countries around the world, fanning the flames of concerns that the Trump administration is subject to unprecedented levels of foreign influence.
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Morgenland said:
As a AAPL stockholder, I'm seriously worried.

The day when this dude also wants to destroy Wechat will be Apple's worst earthquake.
It remains exciting to see if Trump can mentally understand what long-term consequences this will have for Apple.
Will reasonable advisors be able to protect America's (Apple's) economy from his Wechat ban idea?
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They haven’t succeeded in talking sense into him so far. I don’t know why this would be different.
 
garylapointe said:
Dictating and being legal and enforceable are two different things.

My Governor signed an executive order transferring my department/division (in state government) to one under his control at one point, it never happened. It wasn't even a fight, I asked, someone said it wasn't legit and verified it with the attorney general and it was over (I suppose some higher-ups might have filed some paperwork, but I felt more like it just went away).

I'm not saying that this is legit or not (they weren't claiming national security threats in my case) but I was in a department of the government while this is a private company.
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Yes, I hope too that the separation of powers continues to work in America.
 
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CerebralX said:
How did you manage to lie about every single thing you've put in your little list there? hahaha
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Yeah let’s continue our current policy of dealing with coronavirus. A simple calculation shows the impact would only be seen in 600 years so we have plenty of time to work on. /s
 
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Did someone here just compare a kids app to Nazi Germany? Really?
sw1tcher said:
TikTok kids and Sarah Cooper
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Yeah ”patriots” here are equating a children's app to Nazi Germany in why Trump had to use an executive order, instead of the non-fascist way we usually do things in a democracy.
 
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macfacts said:
If Trump can do this, then china can force apple to sell to a chinese company
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Disagree !

In fact, iPhones with WeChat (already installed) will become "cherished" if an App Store Ban goes into affect !

Would ONLY very-likely affect new installs & upgrades.

Apple could, in fact, see a short-term surge in Sales in China (& elsewhere where WeChat is used alot) BEFORE any App Store Ban goes into affect.
 
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haydn! said:
Best interests for the US or not aside, it’s worrying that the President has the power to literally dictate stuff like this - without any consultation with the broader governing system. A very dangerous precedent is being set here!
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Yup... It's all about optics and to show his base for the upcoming election he's a tough guy on China. Yet he continues to be silent regarding Russia charging ahead, influencing the election. Again.
 
Morgenland said:
As a AAPL stockholder, I'm seriously worried.

The day when this dude also wants to destroy Wechat will be Apple's worst earthquake.
It remains exciting to see if Trump can mentally understand what long-term consequences this will have for Apple.
Will reasonable advisors be able to protect America's (Apple's) economy from his Wechat ban idea?
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You mean you have AAPL stock and you're not at all worried about China & WeChat stealing your personal data? That seems rather reckless, don't you think? Just because the Chinese LOVE WeChat doesn't mean can't do it better ourselves.

As my mother used to say, "If So and Sos mother told him he could jump off a bridge, would you jump too?" Think people, think. WeChat and Tiktok are not the end all be all. I have no problem letting China have it all to themselves or us buying it and making it safe. it's in the best interest of our country. The politics of it are really irrelevant except in that some are invested in China and some aren't. That is something to think about on Election Day.
 
citysnaps said:
Yup... It's all about optics and to show his base for the upcoming election he's a tough guy on China. Yet he continues to be silent regarding Russia charging ahead, influencing the election. Again.
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Oh please, stop with the running 4 year hoax. Even Mueller himself found no evidence of collusion or conspiracy with the Trump campaign and FBI people are starting to plead guilty for the stunt as of yesterday. After the sanctions Trump put on Russia, Putin and the Russian people in general also hate Trump! If you think things here are bad, think what it's like with sanctions and COVID in Russia. I chat with people in Russia and they hate Trump. But it is China that will be spending the most in this election to manipulate votes for Biden because Trump is their worst enemy and Biden said publicly that China is no threat to America or our security in a speech. And most of the tech companies are just ok with letting China steal peoples personal data. Apple is the only standout in this regard with security. But I think Apple should have rejected the Tiktok app already and WeChat next. Google doesn't care about your security. Violating it is their business model.

I don't know about you all, but this is my new COVID mask that I proudly wear.
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apparatchik said:
Surely US courts will halt this?

Im in favor of the US and the West in General banning Chinese Apps until western Apps can freely operate in continental China, but “executive orders” surely is not the way to go about it? I would argue there might be a national consensus around this
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Courts legislate existing laws and interpretations of laws, so no the courts are not likely to intervene and will dismiss cases brought against this. There is no constitutional framework for needing a “national consensus” for matters of national security. That power is solely given to the executive branch.
 
haydn! said:
Best interests for the US or not aside, it’s worrying that the President has the power to literally dictate stuff like this - without any consultation with the broader governing system. A very dangerous precedent is being set here!
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Oh no the president is protecting Americans y forcing Chinese companies to delete data!

nooooo!!!!
 
Krizoitz said:
Of allowing thousands of Americans to die from COVID each day?
Of removing American military forces in areas that benefits Russia?
Of funneling millions of tax payer dollars to his personal businesses?
Of supporting and defending literal NAZI’s?
Of appointing cronies with no qualifications and massive conflicts of interest to head numerous government agencies?
Of ordering secret police to attack American citizens in violation of their constitutional rights?


Which disaster of Trumps are you particularly proud of?
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Oof. With New York possibly turning red, November will be rough for you
 
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glindon said:
Courts legislate existing laws and interpretations of laws, so no the courts are not likely to intervene and will dismiss cases brought against this.
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The Supreme Court can definitely overturn executive orders and has historically done so already in the past.

glindon said:
There is no constitutional framework for needing a “national consensus” for matters of national security. That power is solely given to the executive branch.
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The Congress technically represents the "national consensus" though and it can pass legislation which invalidates an executive order, assuming enough "consensus" is actually reached... almost impossible in practice of course.
 
At this rate, I have no idea what could save USA at this point, or they think they are fine anyways, COVID or not. If a country’s citizen don't care about death, I doubt they care about anything else. TikTok and WeChat is just caught crossfire between two allegedly super powers, being played like pawns by both leaders. Heaven helps us.
 
2010mini said:
Trump is still profiting from his businesses that his sons are a part of. So if they buy, he will be in violation.
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Please show us the lies.
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The lies were the list the poster provided. Come on man, open your eyes!
 
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