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well...if America is banning TikTok for its national security, then all other countries should ban Facebook, Instagram, Google, Microsoft, and Amazon for national security.

Except those companies that you mentioned are based in the US. But they collect data as well!

As for the ban, not sure how to feel. On one hand I can see the potential security issue on the other hand, its making mindless drones out of teenagers.

Oh wait.
 
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So it’s now possible for one man to circumvent the American constitution, congress and the senate, basically all governing bodies and order the shut down of an American company without providing any evidence of law breaking or intent to break the law.

And do this without the company having any legal means to challenge this?

it Makes me wonder why half the country is up in arms about threats to the 1st and 2nd amendments but are totally happy with this one?

surely this undermines the basic freedom of America and is more inline with a dictatorship than a democracy?

Weird.
It's the President's #1 priority to protect the United States.
Of allowing thousands of Americans to die from COVID each day?
Of removing American military forces in areas that benefits Russia?
Of funneling millions of tax payer dollars to his personal businesses?
Of supporting and defending literal NAZI’s?
Of appointing cronies with no qualifications and massive conflicts of interest to head numerous government agencies?
Of ordering secret police to attack American citizens in violation of their constitutional rights?


Which disaster of Trumps are you particularly proud of?
Why did the NY governor send Covid infectees to nursing homes, causing undtold numbers of deaths to that state's elderly? That right there is a disaster that nobody mentions.

Your other points actually hold more truth regarding Presidents Clinton and Obama, so they sound good as talking points!
So the same man who harshly criticized Obama for Executive Orders, has been using Executive Orders more than him.

And not a peep from the his party that said they were against EOs....., hmmmm.

GOP and Trump have now effectively turned the Executive Branch into a dictatorship. By allowing it to grab new powers. The shortsightedness of this is alarming. And it is going to come back and bite them in the ass.

Rule number 1: whenever you give government new powers. It does not give them back. So what you think was great when “your guy” is in office. Will turn around and bite you in the ass when someone of the other party occupies the same office.
You are absolutely right in your statement that I've highlighted in blue above. The problem is, we didn't get a peep out of Congress when W, Clinton, and Obama were grabbing those powers. And where were you? As long as you were not a minor, then you share in this mess too!
So 168,000+ of your citizens haven't died from Covid? Or perhaps you're saying that the leader of your country shoulders zero responsibility for their deaths?

He seems more worried about washing his hair than whether people in the US live or die. How patriotic. You must feel very proud of him.
168,000 have not died DUE to Covid. Fake news. I'm still waiting to hear how many heart disease and cancer deaths were counted as Covid. And how many car accident deaths were counted as Covid. And how many broken wrists not resulting in death were counted as Covid deaths. Probably 99.99998% of that number, as far as I'm concerned.
168,000+ people have not died due to COVID. Note that I said "due to" not "with". Reports have already stated that around 25% of all deaths reported as COVID deaths are actually deaths with COVID as opposed deaths due to COVID.
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Thank you. THIS is all I need to hear and I know my hunch is correct. And no, your mask has only a 3% efficacy rate. But it makes a great muzzle for free speech!
I’ve just finished my 20 mile walk to the nearest UPS™ to post my vote for Ivanka against Eric in the presidential election. I get home and check my MAGAbook pro. Unfortunately I forgot to salute the flag on TikTok™ powered by Facebook™ today and have been designated as in need for re-education. I dutifully lay face down on the curb to await arrest but I’m unfortunately shot 7 times in the neck by law enforcement due to my threatening posture.
Um, I was there. You weren't shot in the neck by LE. You were beaten to death by a bone-skinny Antifa wearing sandals and a Che Guevara t-shirt. But don't worry, it got counted as 3 deaths due to Covid, which makes it caused by the 2nd amendment, and also it's all Trump's fault because he blamed China!

No president can be accountable for 100% of covid related deaths on their country, of course. Even the best managed countries haven’t kept the deaths at zero.

So let’s accept your number, and rate the death toll of covid in the USA at 126.000. It’s still catastrophic, and you should ask yourself what has your president done wrong.
Yeah, you're still saying that "with Covid" is the same as "due to Covid". Fake news. The other guy did his homework better than you did yours.
It’s a little thing called “Leadership”. Granted it’s a concept tough to see right now due to the total lack of it, but effective leadership can make a huge difference.

Compare the Leadership of the US to New Zealand and the difference it can make.
I don't know what you mean by this. New Zealand is a beautiful country, of course, but why would you compare a country with fewer than 5 million people to one that is nearly 66 times bigger?

Kentucky, Missouri, Alabama, Wisconsin, or Minnesota might be more apt, if you're looking to compare with a US location. Or better yet, choose an actual country that comes in right around 5 million in population.
Clearly Trump has failed so any movement in a positive direction is better than Trumps BS.
Joe Biden is struggling with massive mental and emotional issues, and somebody else is running his campaign. The problem is, if you cast a vote for him, there's no way to really know "who" you are voting for.

Hint: It ain't Kamala Harris, either. Somebody else is pulling the strings.
Thank You. And Joe Biden will do nothing against China or Tiktok because all his family's money is generated in China through his son Hunter, who's basically a missing person these days. He wasn't even at the VP announcement that I could see.
Yeah, this too.

But on to Joe for a moment. If the Democrat party really loved this country, they would not keep pushing Biden. His mental capacity is falling off rather quickly. Sometimes Trump needs to holster his mouth, but with Biden, well, that man can't even be trusted to get a single soundbyte off without some controversy about his mental fitness.
 
........Aside from the above, how can you possibly blame Trump for COVID deaths? Is he also responsible for the ~50,000 flu deaths that occur every flu season?

The US already has a response to seasonal flu infections. Just as it has for other communicable diseases.

Comparing Flu to Covid-19 is building a straw man.

Trump ignored the science and kept downplaying it (while his people sold stocks and invested in remote work software companies)
That right there is failure at leadership.

Go look up the timeline of his comments and response to those “yelling” at him to sound the alarm.

BTW you seem to want to play semantics with your “death FROM covid-19 vs death WITH covid-19”

Problem with that statement is you are going to have to show proof those who died “with” covid-19 were going to definitely die the same date without covid-19.

It is no secret those with underlying symptoms are more susceptible to die from covid-19. Same as they are susceptible to die from a host of other sicknesses.

The R-Naught of covid-19 is quite high, and one of the first things
It's the President's #1 priority to protect the United States.
Why did the NY governor send Covid infectees to nursing homes, causing undtold numbers of deaths to that state's elderly? That right there is a disaster that nobody mentions.

Your other points actually hold more truth regarding Presidents Clinton and Obama, so they sound good as talking points!
You are absolutely right in your statement that I've highlighted in blue above. The problem is, we didn't get a peep out of Congress when W, Clinton, and Obama were grabbing those powers. And where were you? As long as you were not a minor, then you share in this mess too!
168,000 have not died DUE to Covid. Fake news. I'm still waiting to hear how many heart disease and cancer deaths were counted as Covid. And how many car accident deaths were counted as Covid. And how many broken wrists not resulting in death were counted as Covid deaths. Probably 99.99998% of that number, as far as I'm concerned.
Thank you. THIS is all I need to hear and I know my hunch is correct. And no, your mask has only a 3% efficacy rate. But it makes a great muzzle for free speech!
Um, I was there. You weren't shot in the neck by LE. You were beaten to death by a bone-skinny Antifa wearing sandals and a Che Guevara t-shirt. But don't worry, it got counted as 3 deaths due to Covid, which makes it caused by the 2nd amendment, and also it's all Trump's fault because he blamed China!

Yeah, you're still saying that "with Covid" is the same as "due to Covid". Fake news. The other guy did his homework better than you did yours.
I don't know what you mean by this. New Zealand is a beautiful country, of course, but why would you compare a country with fewer than 5 million people to one that is nearly 66 times bigger?

Kentucky, Missouri, Alabama, Wisconsin, or Minnesota might be more apt, if you're looking to compare with a US location. Or better yet, choose an actual country that comes in right around 5 million in population.
Joe Biden is struggling with massive mental and emotional issues, and somebody else is running his campaign. The problem is, if you cast a vote for him, there's no way to really know "who" you are voting for.

Hint: It ain't Kamala Harris, either. Somebody else is pulling the strings.
Yeah, this too.

But on to Joe for a moment. If the Democrat party really loved this country, they would not keep pushing Biden. His mental capacity is falling off rather quickly. Sometimes Trump needs to holster his mouth, but with Biden, well, that man can't even be trusted to get a single soundbyte off without some controversy about his mental fitness.

When Obama ruled by EO I shouted loudly about it. But I knew when Trump got into office he would do worse than any one before (so far, I am not wrong). I am from NYC, and have as such have read more local news of Trump over the decades. He is NOT a person that should ever hold office. The rest of the country have never really seen or heard all the ***T agent orange has done.

Obama, Clinton, GWB, GHB, Reagan..... every other president has actually been curtailed from going overboard. We unfortunately live in a political climate ripe for someone with Trumps personality to do harm to a lot of people. There is effectively no checks on his wanton power grab.

As a centrist, this alarms me.


(the bolded comment) What do you mean "......nobody mentions"??
How did you know if nobody mentioned it? In fact people people from his own party mentions it.
 
Trump Campaign: "Pandemic? No, the important thing to Americans right now are privacy issues with a Chinese Social Media app."
What makes you think it wouldn't be possible for the Trump Campaign to focus on more than one issue at a time? This reminds me of when people get upset at Apple for making new emojis, as if the hardware engineers took some time off to draw up some new emoji designs or something.
 
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It's the President's #1 priority to protect the United States.

No. The president doesn't have a number 1 priority. He has many priorities, including protecting the United States, representing it, protecting the citizens, and representing the citizens. Those are four very different things and they often don't align well. But never is one a priory over another.
 
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It's not a Trump hate fest - that would be an irrational response. What you actually have is perfectly reasonable response to a person that is ignorant, egotistical, racist and misogynistic.
You literally said it's not a Trump hate fest, and then proceeded to irrationally hate on Trump. You just proved that at least some of these comments are a Trump hate fest.

Trump has done nothing illegal as President. If he had, the Democrats would already have taken him to court over it. (As in used thelegal system, not the parliamentary system which the Democrats did without having any hard evidence). Secondly Trump has done a lot of good for the country. I can't force everyone to accept this fact. But enough people do understand this and that's ok.

Also don't expect Trump to be a single term president. Just like people should not have expected Trump to lose in 2016. No election is unwinable. Also no election is unlosable. Expecting the result to go one way or the other is just arrogance that doesn't help your side's cause.

Trump is not perfect, but he's not terrible like many people here mistakenly believe.
 
BTW you seem to want to play semantics with your “death FROM covid-19 vs death WITH covid-19”

Problem with that statement is you are going to have to show proof those who died “with” covid-19 were going to definitely die the same date without covid-19.
This is not about semantics at all.

Someone who died WITH covid: John Doe, 87, Showed no symptoms of COVID and died in his sleep. Later tested and covid was present in his body. Covid did not cause the death of John Doe.

Someone who died DUE TO covid: Jane Doe, 72, is diabetic and suffers from heart disease. Jane gets tested for COVID as she has a severe case of pneumonia. Test comes back positive. Jane later dies from the pneumonia. COVID caused the death of Jane Doe.

Both Joe and Jane's, in most cases, will be reported simply as COVID deaths. Reports in the US say that it is around 25%, whereas countries around Europe have it as high as 32%.

I wonder, if all cases of flu were reported in the media in the exact same manner as COVID cases are reported, how would people react differently? Imagine if, since the beginning of your life, every year they reported how many new cases of flu there were and how many have died from it, how differently would we react to the COVID figures? I bet there would be a lot more concern, but I doubt it would be as mental as it currently is.
 
In the order, the Trump Administration said there's "credible evidence" to suggest that ByteDance "might take action that threatens to impair the national security of the United States."

So, based on history, we'll just assume wrongdoings will happen, so the Trump administrator will take precautions with zero evidence China will do that

Well.... now we know which country not to start businesses in.
 
No. The president doesn't have a number 1 priority. He has many priorities, including protecting the United States, representing it, protecting the citizens, and representing the citizens. Those are four very different things and they often don't align well. But never is one a priory over another.

Actually, this president does have a number one priority: himself.
 
Trump has done nothing illegal as President. If he had, the Democrats would already have taken him to court over it. (As in used thelegal system, not the parliamentary system which the Democrats did without having any hard evidence). Secondly Trump has done a lot of good for the country.

He has done numerous illegal things as president, including obstruction of justice and the emoluments clause violations on a number of occasions. And you don't "take the president to court", you impeach him and we saw how Republicans (ezxcept for Romney) ignored the evidence. McConnell even said on rcxord they would push through the trial and clear him - without any evidence even being presented yet.

And I would press you to tell us what good Trump has brought to the country. Trump was known in his business life for pitting people against each other to gain the upper hand - a trait he brought to the White House.

Donald Trump is an immoral, cheating cretin. He lies at a level that is shocking, even for a politician, He is racist and bigoted and a braggart. He takes responsibility for things he never did and fails to take responsibility for things he did. He has no sympathy or empathy for anyone but himself, claiming victimhood constantly, and has zero negotiating skills; no ability to bring consensus and can only use threats to get people to move to his position. He is lazy and incompetent and has never accomplished anything as president that wasn’t handed to him. His childishness is almost laughable. Trump is just plain mean - a sad individual. And when he dies, few will mourn him. Many will celebrate. That is his legacy.

For anyone to continue to support Trump indicates their complete lack of morals and conscience.
 
Just for the record, executive order count, by president:

42Bill Clinton253
43George W. Bush291
44Barack Obama276
45Donald Trump180

Projected to match the eight years Clinton, Bush and Obama served, Trump will shatter their counts.
 
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He’s bored with the pandemic, he’s trying to change the topics away from the pandemic (this is something he has a lot of practice doing, changing the topic away from something he’s doing badly on by starting other fires) and he’s desperately looking for something he can point to at election time and say that he did something.
He is a real estate salesman and huckster. and good at it. When he was in NY he could plant stories in friendly media, claim he won even when he bankrupted companies and people would not question him because it didn't matter.

He is now in a situation where that doesn't work, and everyone in DC has their own career to worry about. As long as Trump was viewed as a plus they followed him, as soon as he became a liability they'll jump ship.

I think he is fundamentally confused why people don't show him undying loyalty and always say how great he is. Now, faced with a crisis where he can't simply make it go away or paint a rosy picture by pontificating he doesn't know what to do and is doubling down on what has worked in the past. If he loses the election it could very well break him.
 
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So, North Carolina voters are receiving mail-in ballots with Trump's picture and a tweet that says absentee ballots are ok because you have to go through a process. Inside is a coloured full page picture of him with the heading "Are you going to let the Democrats silence you".

And people wonder why Trump is hated on so much.
 
So, North Carolina voters are receiving mail-in ballots with Trump's picture and a tweet that says absentee ballots are ok because you have to go through a process. Inside is a coloured full page picture of him with the heading "Are you going to let the Democrats silence you".

And people wonder why Trump is hated on so much.
Are those the official mail-in ballots? 😱 If so, that’s so incredibly illegal, though that’s par for the course with Trump.
 
Are those the official mail-in ballots? 😱 If so, that’s so incredibly illegal, though that’s par for the course with Trump.

The mailer was sent out by the North Carolina Republican Party, press secretary Tim Wigginton said.

I would expect Trump to denounce this blatant attempt at voter influence, but I suspect Trump ordered it.
 
Reading some of these comments, it's amazing that a lifelong con man, who failed at every business he has ever attempted, and only gets by with scams and bank loans - and the seating money his father left him for real estate, can continue to scam so many gullible people for so long.

My favorite part is the seemingly endless amount of respect they have for him. I have more respect for people who sell oranges on a street corner than Donald Trump.
 
The mailer was sent out by the North Carolina Republican Party, press secretary Tim Wigginton said.

I would expect Trump to denounce this blatant attempt at voter influence, but I suspect Trump ordered it.

That is called a political advertisement and legal on both sides.
Both parties send out sample ballots for their parties. They even hand them out at polling places, but they cannot be used to actually VOTE, the big difference. I know, have working the polls before.
In Maryland once, the Comptroller, former Baltimore mayor, sent out a sample ballot with the Republican Gubernatorial candidate on it and Kathleen Kennedy Townsend cried fowl and election fraud as it was a Democrat ballot with a Republican on it, but it's legal and of course she lost.

I hate to be mean but, the bigger question is did you sign up for the FREE MEDICARE benefits that Joe Namath said you weren't getting too? 😂
 
My favorite part is the seemingly endless amount of respect they have for him. I have more respect for people who sell oranges on a street corner than Donald Trump.

And I don't even want to get into the pure creepiness of some of the things Trump has done:

Like ogling his daughter and telling Stern it was OK to call her a "piece of azzzz". Or saying that a then 12 year old Paris Hilton was attractive. Or walking through the Miss Teen USA pageant dressing room, with underage half naked girls, because he "owns it". Or telling a young girl on an escalator in front of cameras that in ten years, they will be dating. Or commenting on his then one year old baby Ivanka's potential br3ast size in an interview.
 
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Yeah, the truth is, I wish I had a better example for "more respect than" but it was what came to mind in that second. Someone pretty humble. But there's no reason not to respect a dude on a corner selling oranges. That's 100x better than someone standing on a corner asking for cash lol.
 
I’m not going to read over all 7 pages of this thread, but has anyone mentioned the actual evidence against the app itself, TikTok? There was a developer who reverse engineers apps and who worked on Facebook and Twitter and he himself said he hasn’t seen even those two apps circumvent security measures and try to collect ad much data. And on iOS 14 betas, when you’re running TikTok and typing anything and using the keyboard, every keystroke you make it says you are pasting from TikTok in the notification and the app is attempting to copy what you are typing. The developer breaks down how the app generates all these crazy security measures each time it suspects someone is trying to reverse engineer the app or figure out what the app collects. It’s really freaky stuff. He says the app has no reason to be collecting any of the info that it is. There is legitimate reason to be really concerned about TikTok...
 
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