Trump Signs Executive Orders to Ban US Transactions With Chinese Companies ByteDance and Tencent

People who use WeChat will still use it anyway. They will just use the Chinese version if they have to. No way Trump can ban it from the Chinese AppStore. People would rather keep WeChat than Apple...
 
CerebralX said:
What? You're impressed by the fact that the executive branch has executive power? Why do you think you first have to win an election before you obtain this kind of power? hahaha.
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well here it’s not one guy. Like Merkel can’t do anything on her own, in fact she’s not even the most powerful person even though she’s the one in the spotlight but yeah my comment was somewhat silly now that I think about it, the US isn’t a democratic country but a republic
 
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itsmilo said:
well here it’s not one guy. Like Merkel can’t do anything on her own, in fact she’s not even the most powerful person even though she’s the one in the spotlight but yeah my comment was somewhat silly now that I think about it, the US isn’t a democratic country but a republic
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We are both, but I am not even sure you understand the difference between the two going by your response.
 
The only thing that this order does is make China stronger and more ambitious. The bottom line is that now, China no longer really needs the west.
And remember that every product that Apple makes in China that you buy and, every other thing that is made there that you own, means that you are supporting and contributing to the Chinese regime.
 
itsmilo said:
well here it’s not one guy. Like Merkel can’t do anything on her own, in fact she’s not even the most powerful person even though she’s the one in the spotlight but yeah my comment was somewhat silly now that I think about it, the US isn’t a democratic country but a republic
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Nothing silly about it. Since you're from outside the U.S., it's completely understandable that you wouldn't be knowledgeable about the powers that our constitution affords the U.S. President (i.e. the Executive branch of our government).

It's important to view this situation from a national-security perspective (and that's what it's presented as). As such, the President has very wide latitude when it comes to all things national security (he is also the Commander-in-Chief), just as our Congress has wide latitude in all things commerce-related, federal funding, etc.
 
What would have been courageous would have been to demand equal footing for AMERICAN data harvesting social media platforms in the Chinese market.

But we only pay lip service to American exceptionalism and ideals of spreading democracy, free speech, and the right to be surveilled by whomever you choose.
 
ANY TRANSACTION?? How does this affect industries in the US?

I'm thinking gaming for example. Tencent owns Riot Games (yes the entirety of it) behind League of Legends, 40% of Epic Games behind Fortnite etc, 11% of Bluehole behind PUBG, 5% of Ubisoft, 5% of Activision Blizzard, 80% of GGG behind Path of Exile...

They're in a lot of other fields too. How will companies operating within the US wholly or partially owned by Tencent be affected here if they can't transact with them, like... at all...

Is the big news here even about Tik Tok?
 
itsmilo said:
sometimes I am really impressed by how much power the president has on his own in the US. Almost feels like its a half dictatorship like he can veto things, just decide stuff like this on his own. Crazy
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Perhaps you're unaware of how the Executive, Judicial, and Legislative branches each can counter the other.

Yes, the President can issue an Executive Order. The Judicial branch (courts) can then block that EO. Either way, his Executive orders can only affect things handled by the Executive branch and do not have power over Judicial or Legislative branch matters.

And yes, the President can Veto new laws created by the Legislative branch (Congess/Senate) - and that veto can be overridden by the Legislative branch if they have a sufficiently high majority.

So no, the President doesn't have dictatorial-like powers. He or she has only the powers granted in the Constitution, and there are checks and balances between the three branches specifically for this reason.
 
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I love the ones saying Trump is overreacting or how its election season etc, but fail to realize, Tom Cotton and Chuck Schumer initially called for, at minimum, an investigation or outright ban of TikTok. But I guess they get a pass and Trump bad. 🤦‍♂️
 
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CerebralX said:
That's interesting. Now all of a sudden they are concerned about the freedom of speech/expression of Americans??? However when Twitter bans or censors someone you get the whole "they're a private company they can do whatever they want to their own platform" spiel........

Also, to link Trump's ban of TikTok to what happened regarding his Tulsa rally is simply ridiculous.
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Yes, Twitter needs to censor when the person that holds the highest office in the land is straight up lying and causing even more unnecessary American deaths (“children are virtually immune to the virus”). If you want to see what real censorship looks like, I suggests you read up on what the country, which built the device you’re typing from, thinks actual censorship is.

You’re disconnected from reality if you think that Trump’s executive order against Tik Tok has nothing to do what happened in Tulsa. Did you forget about Trump’s executive order after Twitter needed to censor his hateful misinformation in May? The primary executive orders Trump has signed in recent times have all been due to his narcissistic ways and to benefit his re-election chances as much as possible.
 
deeddawg said:
Perhaps you're unaware of how the Executive, Judicial, and Legislative branches each can counter the other.

Yes, the President can issue an Executive Order. The Judicial branch (courts) can then block that EO.

And yes, the President can Veto new laws created by the Legislative branch (Congess/Senate) - and that veto can be overridden by the Legislative branch if they have a sufficiently high majority.

So no, the President doesn't have dictatorial-like powers. He or she has only the powers granted in the Constitution, and there are checks and balances between the three branches specifically for this reason.
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The 3 branches work in theory, but in reality it’s really up to whoever is in power to respect that. If a single party control the senate and the presidency for long enough, the judicial branch would simply be rubber stamping that party’s policies.
 
Dwalls90 said:
Yes, Twitter needs to censor when the person that holds the highest office in the land is straight up lying and causing even more unnecessary American deaths (“children are virtually immune to the virus”). If you want to see what real censorship looks like, I suggests you read up on what the country, which built the device you’re typing from, thinks actual censorship is.
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See, you're advocating censorship yet you're worried about the censorship of many Americans because of what he has done to TikTok......... do you genuinely not see the the double standard in that?

1 in 50,000 children aged 0-18 die from COVID-19, while the use of "immune" is probably not the most technically sound term to use, he is not wrong in saying that children are effectively unaffected by COVID. Saying that is not dangerous and is not false. Influenza is much more of a problem for children of this age group than COVID, yet nobody really gives an 'F' about that.

Dwalls90 said:
You’re disconnected from reality if you think that Trump’s executive order against Tik Tok has nothing to do what happened in Tulsa. Did you forget about Trump’s executive order after Twitter needed to censor his hateful misinformation in May? The primary executive orders Trump has signed in recent times have all been due to his narcissistic ways and to benefit his re-election chances as much as possible.
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That's an absolutely delusional thought.
 
chucker23n1 said:
What? You're surprised by the fact that the executive branch shouldn't be unlimited? Why do you think the legislative and judicial branches exist? hahaha.
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Nice straw man there again chucker. I never said anything about limitless power for the executive branch. Nice try though. Maybe soon you'll actually "get" me on something!
 
Well they could always relaunch their app as a website eliminating the need for an app.
Oh wait, that would eliminate their ability to spy on us. Never mind.
 
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