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They aren't ALL going along. A lot of conservatives have been speaking out pretty clearly against Trump. Just sucks that in the world today saying you're a conservative makes everyone else go insane and call you a racist or Nazi because they hate Trump.

I’m an independent but lean heavily Libertarian. Most of the Republicans I know still defend slavery, racial profiling, etc. So it isn’t hard for me to understand why conservatives/Republicans are seen as racist and Nazis.
 
Example, India!

Which is the least of that nation's problems.

This is very wrong. India imposed tariffs on consumer goods and in turn became self reliant. As of today India imposes heavy tariffs on imported mobile phones and that is the reason why the iPhone is so expensive. Others have setup manufacturing within India. At some point Apple will bite the bullet and make iPhones within India. Until then, people will use Android phones made in country. It is too big of a market to ignore.
 
On whose behalf are you speaking when you say "we only want engineers and scientists and artist"? Any country would have all levels of person having different levels of education. If you think this country only needs highly educated jobs then who will man the gas stations? Who tends bars? Who waits tables? Where would you go get your gas, drinks, lunch, dinner?

These people exist regardless of what you say... if all low paying jobs move overseas, who gives them jobs? What are we going to do with them? They have to live one way or another. So if there's absolutely no way for them to find jobs, they will become criminals to make a living.

Unskilled immigrants are supposed to perform these tasks.

The problem is we spend thousands of dollars in k-12 public education training each citizen in things like calculus and art history and geopolitics - things they don't get in third-world countries - and you expect them to perform oxen jobs?

Not only that, but Americans don't even WANT those unskilled jobs. It's impossible to hire people to work these unskilled jobs, at ANY price, because Americans expect to perform higher skill work, because we trained them to expect that kind of work.

This is why unskilled immigrants are a basic part of the US economy - they literally do the jobs that Americans don't want to do.
 
And it's not clear exactly how bad this sticks it to China as other countries have already stepped up with agricultural sales. We have soybeans in storage starting to go bad. But yeah, people are (I was going to say dumb) but that wouldn't be nice. Some people are intellectually challenged. The world is a little too complicated. That's why they like coal.
If Trump was smart he would have worked with EU, Canada, UK to squeeze China, he would be more successful.
I do agree that China has an unfair advantage and west should act.
 
I wish I could play poker with some of you MR posters. China has been screwing us because we were too afraid to call their bluffs. All you political gurus out there tell me how you would have gotten China to stop taking advantage of us.

I can't believe how gullible you all are. Trump threatened tariffs with Mexico. Do we have tariffs on Mexican goods? No. He threatened tariffs on Canada. And even made disparaging remarks about Canada. So what happened? We got a replacement for NAFTA that is much better for us.

China will sign a new trade deal that will be better for the US, but you can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs.
You do realize that that trade deal isn’t law until Congress approves it?
 
Tim Cook needs to put his money where his mouth is and aggressively donate to Democrats in the next election.

Apple has never lobbied and probably never well. As for Tim Cook himself and his private money, he’s not likely to tell what he does with it so long as he legally doesn’t have to. So perhaps he already does
 
No other country has an education system as EXPENSIVE as ours, and it’s drowning an entire generation of Americans. How’s that for efficiency?

As always, you have to spend money to make money.

Republicans expect everything for free, which is why they always crash economies.
 
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

Higher education isn't the answer for everything.

Yes, we have the best universities, but not everyone is cut out for university, and most people aren't talented at engineering enough to be an engineer at apple.

It's a shame that you dismiss the value of hand work/trade jobs and other careers. Those skills bring plenty of value, too.

Those skills are worth exactly the value they're paid.

It's a shame you overpay for things, when you could have gotten the exact same quality work for cheaper.
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LOL wtf??

Manual labour is building the buildings for those engineers, building the roads you drive on, and the hospitals you use.

I can’t even begin to explain the amount of politically incorrect, condescending and incorrect claims you made in that sensetence.
Why are you trying to overpay for manual labor when you can get an immigrant do to the same thing for cheaper?

Do you not value the work performed by immigrants? Are you always condescending towards immigrants?

Unskilled immigrants want to do the jobs Americans won't, and you DON'T want to let them?
 
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Have you talked to a real Canadian lately? I’m up there often and buddy I’ll tell you... they hate their socialist healthcare. I personally know individuals who have waited upwards of 5 months for a basic doctors visit. If their system was so good, why do supplemental health insurance plans exist up there? So people who can afford private insurance can skip the lines. Why do they need private doctor clinics if the government system was so great?

Everything in this planet has a cost, NOTHING IS FREE. You know how Canada pays for its social healthcare? Ask a Canadian what their income tax is. It’s on average 40-55% of gross pay.

Same goes for education and the Cortez gal in NYC.. she’s refused over and over to explain how the heck she’s going to pay for her ideas.

Great ideas, but NOBODY WANTS TO PAY FOR IT.


Everyone loves Berniecare and wants it here. It polls at 70% and 51% at GOP. And People want that stuff, NOW. Want people to die because of your greed?
 
Those skills are worth exactly the value they're paid.

It's a shame you overpay for things, when you could have gotten the exact same quality work for cheaper.
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Why are you trying to overpay for manual labor when you can get an immigrant do to the same thing for cheaper?

Do you not value the work performed by immigrants? Are you always condescending towards immigrants?
Utilizing your economy doesnt mean overpaying. It means you utilize your citizens and provide jobs for your economy.

With your guidance you would have 95% unemployability in USA - as the only people being utilized would be engineers and high end employees.

With the tighening on immigration - how do you suppose all labor be done by immigrants in your own economy?

Btw what do the rest of the citizens who arent engineers etc do? Sit back and receive tax payer money?
 
Trump's steel tariffs is why GM just laid off everyone.

Congratulations Trump voters, you played yourself.

The US economy is a globalist one that seeks open borders and free trade. The quicker you understand that, the better off you will be in this country.

Apple is doing exactly that by designing products by brilliant engineers in Silicon Valley, while having them built by cheaper, lower educated people in China.

If a person in China can build something for cheaper than in America, LET THEM - that is economic efficiency. An efficient economy will always win over an corrupt, inefficient one. Americans should only do jobs that only Americans can do, like high-end services jobs. Our economy is based on massive higher-education - the best in the world. No other country has a university system like ours, and we should take advantage of that.

We don't want Americans to perform manual labor that oxen can do. We only want engineers and scientists and artist - people that can create value with their minds.

New York, Silicon Valley and Hollywood are good examples of the kind of economy the US should be going forward.

A good example of complete economic failure is Russia - their economy is entirely based on selling things they find on the ground. When was the last time anyone bought something designed/made in Russia?

Incorrect about GM.

Everyone in Business has stated the correct thing. Americans simply aren't buying cars anymore. Just trucks, SUVs, & crossover vehicles. Ford already made most of these changes. GM is late to fix their inherent problem. All of the plants closing are car plants for products not selling in America. These closures are unrelated to Trump, the tax cuts, or the economy, which is still booming in America.

America is not in favor of open borders and never will be. Wall Street & the rest of the world wants Open Borders at our expense. Even with these layoffs, unemployment in America will be nearly nonexistent.

And finally, we are the United States of America, all 50, not The United East and West Coasts of America. You clearly do not understand this country which has a booming economy, unlike Europe. I love when failed socialist economies give advice to other more successful economies. Good try, but no cigar. :D
 
If Trump was smart he would have worked with EU, Canada, UK to squeeze China, he would be more successful.
I do agree that China has an unfair advantage and west should act.

Exactly. Trump has alienated all our allies. He could have been much more effective with China had he worked with the EU, Canada & UK to squeeze China. Instead he has run into the China shop like a Bull. But his strong arm tactics could backfire. China holds a Trump card(pun intended). They hold over a Trillion dollars in US debt. Economists and investors worry if there is a trade war, China could reduce its U.S. debt holdings as a political weapon against the Trump administration tariffs proposal. If that happens, the dollar could fall and other countries could follow suit and sell their holdings. We’d be screwed.
 
It's amazing to hear Republicans who used to blame Obama for not creating jobs fast enough now speaking so highly of laying American workers off, farmers losing their crops and the steel industry taking such a big hit... just so we can to stick it to China. The American worker Conservatives once valued has become a pawn in Trump's game and they're all going along.
no silly, that's WINNING!!!!!

*********s and trumpets all day long
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Incorrect about GM.

Everyone in Business has stated the correct thing. Americans simply aren't buying cars anymore. Just trucks, SUVs, & crossover vehicles. Ford already made most of these changes. GM is late to fix their inherent problem. All of the plants closing are car plants for products not selling in America. These closures are unrelated to Trump, the tax cuts, or the economy, which is still booming in America.

America is not in favor of open borders and never will be. Wall Street & the rest of the world wants Open Borders at our expense. Even with these layoffs, unemployment in America will be nearly nonexistent.

And finally, we are the United States of America, all 50, not The United East and West Coasts of America. You clearly do not understand this country which has a booming economy, unlike Europe. I love when failed socialist economies give advice to other more successful economies. Good try, but no cigar. :D
oh man, falling for the trump koolaid in SPADES
 
Incorrect about GM.

Everyone in Business has stated the correct thing. Americans simply aren't buying cars anymore. Just trucks, SUVs, & crossover vehicles. Ford already made most of these changes. GM is late to fix their inherent problem. All of the plants closing are car plants for products not selling in America. These closures are unrelated to Trump, the tax cuts, or the economy, which is still booming in America.

America is not in favor of open borders and never will be. Wall Street & the rest of the world wants Open Borders at our expense. Even with these layoffs, unemployment in America will be nearly nonexistent.

And finally, we are the United States of America, all 50, not The United East and West Coasts of America. You clearly do not understand this country which has a booming economy, unlike Europe. I love when failed socialist economies give advice to other more successful economies. Good try, but no cigar. :D

America supports open borders and has always supported open borders. I'm sure you already know that America had an open borders policy for its first hundred-fifty years.

And remember, steel tariffs increase costs of cars, which reduces their sales.

Let's all be thankful of the booming economy that the great President Obama put into place. Let's make sure Trump doesn't cause it to crash, like Republicans typically do.
 
If this happens, prices on Apple products likely wouldn't rise much. Apple would eat most of the loss.

Unrelated: I normally oppose tariffs and would like us to have open trade. We're only a rich country if we can buy stuff from poor countries. There IS the factor of China not being very friendly to us (or the environment), though. I've not followed that enough to make a decision about China specifically.
 
If this happens, prices on Apple products likely wouldn't rise much. Apple would eat most of the loss.

Unrelated: I normally oppose tariffs and would like us to have open trade. We're only a rich country if we can buy stuff from poor countries. There IS the factor of China not being very friendly to us (or the environment), though. I've not followed that enough to make a decision about China specifically.
Apple would eat the loss you say......

You think so huh
 
Unskilled immigrants are supposed to perform these tasks.

The problem is we spend thousands of dollars in k-12 public education training each citizen in things like calculus and art history and geopolitics - things they don't get in third-world countries - and you expect them to perform oxen jobs?

Not only that, but Americans don't even WANT those unskilled jobs. It's impossible to hire people to work these unskilled jobs, at ANY price, because Americans expect to perform higher skill work, because we trained them to expect that kind of work.

This is why unskilled immigrants are a basic part of the US economy - they literally do the jobs that Americans don't want to do.

Wrong again. Most high school kids are not taking calculus or art history. I sense a Marie Antoinette syndrome here. Skilled manufacturing are not unwanted jobs, but needed jobs as it brings in ancillary industries as well. You are confusing service jobs that pay little and attract migrant workers for skilled and semi-skilled jobs that pay a considerably higher wage.

Assembling iPhones and iPads would be similar to a skilled electrician's apprentice. The problem is that Apple's and other companies profits would be much lower if they had to hire Americans. They are taking advantage of currency and cost of living differences of developing countries like China.
 
Apple would eat the loss you say......

You think so huh
Apple has huge profit margins, and they sell what you can call luxury products. This usually means that, in technical terms, there's a high "elasticity of demand." Contrast with a low-margin company where they have no choice but to increase the price by $1 if the cost to produce increases $1.
 
Trump's steel tariffs is why GM just laid off everyone.

Where did you get that idea? GM is responding to the general trend of their cars not selling well (ie: focusing on SUVs and trucks), as well as the stupid move of betting on an automated vehicle future.

Americans should only do jobs that only Americans can do, like high-end services jobs. Our economy is based on massive higher-education - the best in the world. No other country has a university system like ours, and we should take advantage of that.

Have you been to America or a US-university recently? As Cook as stated several times, Americans don't have the capacity to manufacture such things. It isn't because they are too smart. Yes, the USA excels at some higher-end services, but the problem is quantity. The rest all took gender studies and marine biology.

This guy knows nothing about (and is unwilling to be educated about) international trade and the economy.

I don't think GM sells too many cars to non-US countries.

And this is a big reason the stock is down recently.

No, their stock is down due to dumb articles about suppliers cutting production numbers, which the day-traders on Wall Street use to determine how they see Apple's future.
 
They aren't ALL going along. A lot of conservatives have been speaking out pretty clearly against Trump. Just sucks that in the world today saying you're a conservative makes everyone else go insane and call you a racist or Nazi because they hate Trump.
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We past the point of no return over a decade ago. The country is doomed. Whatever replaces it is to be determined but the world model of modern democracy is long gone.

Conservatives are getting a bad name these days cause they hitched their horses to Trump’s wagon. They are stuck now. It’s no longer their party, it’s the Trump Party, and they are just along for the ride. Trump is not a Republican at all. Nothing he has done resembles traditional conservatism. He has no ideology. He’s a transactionalist. Everything is filtered thru his own ego & narcissism. But the Republican Party is so afraid of losing his rabid base they’ve become sicophantic soulless zombies. They’ve struck a Faustian bargain with the Devil, and lost their soul in exchange for power. The only Conservatives who speak out or question him...are LEAVING office or have left already. Mark my words, The Republican Party will be destroyed for generations because of Trump. The only hope that they have left is gerrymandering, voter suppression & the electoral college.
 
Econ 101: a tariff on products from another country is not a penalty imposed on that country. It’s a penalty imposed on our own citizens who buy goods from that country.

Reality 101: You are asserting that the current tariffs are an effort to regulate the long-term economy and they're not. They are being used as leverage so that more fair and equitable trade deals can be established where needed. If you are negotiating something which potentially effects a countries wealth you need leverage - otherwise what is the incentive to change the status quo?
 
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