Trump Suggests Tariffs Could Be Placed on iPhones and Laptops Imported From China

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

Proof that the Electoral College is utterly antiquated.

The Electoral College was hotly debated in the Constitution and it's going nowhere because it balances the influence of the small and large states more fairly. We are not The United States of East & West Coasts.

There would never be enough states to ever get rid of the Electoral College, so you better find a way to win with it or your party will disappear like the Whigs or BullMoose Party.

 

[Greenmeenie]

Yeah, I remember the Obama malaise. I was unemployed for most of the time. He had 8 years to fix the economy and couldn't. The world loved him because he helped Europe at the expense of Americans. He put more African Americans on welfare & unemployment than any President in U.S. history. And as soon as he's out of office, he's credited with something he had nothing to do with. Yeah right. That's believable that it's Obama's economy. Not by any real economist.

Trump was elected because of The Wall and because Americans didn't want Open Borders. You might not like that, but it's still true.

That's what separated Trump from the other Republicans and Democrats. Wall Street wants Open Borders as do both political parties. Trump did not and that's why he won.

Couldn’t disagree more. Obama inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression, and he turned things around. Trump inherited the Obama economy which was already on an upward trend for 8 straight years thanks to Obama. And on a side note, I donated a kidney to my brother during Obama’s Presidency, and thanks to Obamacare, my brother wasn’t denied health insurance for a pre existing condition. Just for that alone, nothing anyone says about him means squat. Saved my brother’s life. Literally.

 

[sbarton]

So if a person is trained in algebra, why would they work assembling iphones (which doesn't need any math or any skills except following instructions) or pick strawberries or clean motels?

Everyone has to start somewhere. The expectation that anyone who graduates with a degree is going to have a bright and successful career is a bit misplaced. We need practical, engaging jobs for all levels of our society.

 

[DDustiNN]

Proof that the Electoral College is utterly antiquated.

Is it really, though? Why should the entire country’s votes be dictated by just a handful of cities?

2016 election results by county:

 

[MacCurry]

Proof that the Electoral College is utterly antiquated.

The Electoral College prevents the tyranny of the majority on the minority. It was setup to protect small states from the big states. A great insight by Madison and Hamilton in the late 1790s.

 

[imageWIS]

Take California out and the rest of the US is more than half Republican. The difference is becoming clear - urban centers and rural areas are at a demographic divide.

You can just nitpick and say 'take the largest state economy in the US with the largest population out and that proves my point'. Could you be any more intellectually dishonest?

 

[mozumder]

Is it really, though? Why should the entire country’s votes be dictated by just a handful of cities?

2016 election results by county:

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Why should land vote instead of people?
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Take California out and the rest of the US is more than half Republican. The difference is becoming clear - urban centers and rural areas are at a demographic divide.

Take out rural land areas that no one lives in (and give them to Mexico) and the country is liberal.

 

[fairuz]

Couldn’t disagree more. Obama inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression, and he turned things around. Trump inherited the Obama economy which was already on an upward trend for 8 straight years thanks to Obama. And on a side note, I donated a kidney to my brother during Obama’s Presidency, and thanks to Obamacare, my brother wasn’t denied health insurance for a pre existing condition. Just for that alone, nothing anyone says about him means squat. Saved my brother’s life. Literally.

The economy moves in cycles sometimes. The US economy wasn't fundamentally bad during the recession, only there was a big correction that made everyone pessimistic after a decade of overspending. Obama made mostly good decisions during that, but nothing ingenious.

Also, Trump saved some people's lives too. Doesn't make him good.

 

[imageWIS]

The Electoral College prevents the tyranny of the majority on the minority. It was setup to protect small states from the big states. A great insight by Madison and Hamilton in the late 1790s.

Not in the 21st century it doesn't: the minority keeps on getting POTUS, while the popular candidate (majority) doesn't. Explain how North and South Dakota having a combined population of 1,625,059 and 4 US Senators compared to California with 38.9 million people and 2 US Senators isn't the tyranny of the minority on the majority?

 

[fairuz]

Why should land vote instead of people?

Take out rural land areas that no one lives in (and give them to Mexico) and the country is liberal.

Because otherwise you get a civil war over differences in demographics, like the one you've just suggested

 

[MacCurry]

You can just nitpick and say 'take the largest state economy in the US with the largest population out and that proves my point'. Could you be any more intellectually dishonest?

California is over represented in the overall scheme of US elections process. The geography and demography of CA doesn't represent the rest of the US.

 

[Greenmeenie]

Is it really, though? Why should the entire country’s votes be dictated by just a handful of cities?

2016 election results by county:

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Because...a true election should be dictated by the majority of Americans. Simple as that. Not hard to understand. What I can’t stand is when leaders who lost the popular vote act like they have a mandate when the majority of Americans didn’t vote for them. Argh! Lol. So frustrating.

 

[imageWIS]

Is it really, though? Why should the entire country’s votes be dictated by just a handful of cities?

2016 election results by county:

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You must be joking. You're showing landmases and not populations. People vote, wilderness doesn't.
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California is over represented in the overall scheme of US elections process. The geography and demography of CA doesn't represent the rest of the US.

Demonstrably prove your claim.

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

Couldn’t disagree more. Obama inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression, and he turned things around. Trump inherited the Obama economy which was already on an upward trend for 8 straight years thanks to Obama. And on a side note, I donated a kidney to my brother during Obama’s Presidency, and thanks to Obamacare, my brother wasn’t denied health insurance for a pre existing condition. Just for that alone, nothing anyone says about him means squat. Saved my brother’s life. Literally.

I was blind for nearly a year because no eye doctor would even take Obamacare in a rural area.
What good is free if you still are denied healthcare?

 

[MacCurry]

Not in the 21st century it doesn't: the minority keeps on getting POTUS, while the popular candidate (majority) doesn't. Explain how North and South Dakota having a combined population of 1,625,059 and 4 US Senators compared to California with 38.9 million people and 2 US Senators isn't the tyranny of the minority on the majority?

CA gets far more representation in the US House and that is where appropriations start from.

 

[lenard]

Half of the country isn't Republican... it's less than half.

It will be now or soon...

 

[Greenmeenie]

I was blind for nearly a year because no eye doctor would even take Obamacare in a rural area.
What good is free if you still are denied healthcare?

Were you living in one of the States with a Republican Governor who turned down billions in Federal dollars under Obamacare?

 

[Guda.FL]

Trump's steel tariffs is why GM just laid off everyone.

Congratulations Trump voters, you played yourself.

The US economy is a globalist one that seeks open borders and free trade. The quicker you understand that, the better off you will be in this country.[\QUOTE]

As a car guy...i can comment. GM is laying off because they produce garbage. They are Blackberry of the Car world.

If Toyota is building multi billion dollar plants in the US and GM is closing them its telling.

What is wrong with this editor today

 

[MacCurry]

Because...a true election should be dictated by the majority of Americans. Simple as that. Not hard to understand. What I can’t stand is when leaders who lost the popular vote act like they have a mandate when the majority of Americans didn’t vote for them. Argh! Lol. So frustrating.

Because presidential elections are not by popular vote, they are by the electoral college. That is the system we have. If it were by popular vote, then elections would be conducted very differently.

 

[Greenmeenie]

Because presidential elections are not by popular vote, they are by the electoral college. That is the system we have. If it were by popular vote, then elections would be conducted very differently.

That’s my point. Times have changed. Systems should change with it.

 

[fairuz]

That’s my point. Times have changed. Systems should change with it.

What's different now that demands the system be different? They knew even back then the differences between urban and rural areas.

 

[tresmith]

Is it me, or is does it seem that this administration is actively trying to sabotage our economy?

I mean, what sense do these tariffs make? So far they've only caused problems. What is the end goal here?

There is the idea that the wealthy make more money in a bad economy than a good one hence the reason Republicans rush to destroy it whenever they gain power.

 

[Greenmeenie]

What's different now that demands the system be different? They knew even back then the differences between urban and rural areas.

Simple. The popular vote was turned down over 200 years ago largely because, due to lack of widespread communications ability, the voters in each state would pick a regional local, not knowing anything about central figures, so that regionalism multiplied by 13 would always result in the most populous states deciding the presidency. The electoral college at least gave some weighted influence to the smaller states. This reason for the electoral college has now died with the growth of communications. Like I said, times have changed.

 

[fairuz]

Paying an extra 20% for your new phone is a great way to own the libs.

Bernie Sanders has an even stronger anti-outsourcing stance: https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/-sanders-statement-on-carrier-and-outsourcing
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Simple. The popular vote was turned down over 200 years ago largely because, due to lack of widespread communications ability, the voters in each state would pick a regional local, not knowing anything about central figures, so that regionalism multiplied by 13 would always result in the most populous states deciding the presidency. The electoral college at least gave some weighted influence to the smaller states. This reason for the electoral college has now died with the growth of communications. Like I said, times have changed.

The map linked on comment #289 shows pretty regionally divided votes, with blue on cities. It's correlated with a US population heat map.

I also don't think people are adopting opinions from other states over the Internet, nor do they bring up controversial political opinions in groups where they're the minority. I couldn't (i.e. would actually face negative consequences if I did) say anything anti-Israel in my Jewish-majority school, or pro-Israel in my SJW college, or pro-Trump at my tech job.

 

[2ms]

Gotta love how in 2 years traditional liberals everywhere have gone 180 on all their biggest things Now I'm seeing a lot of Pro-Capitalism, Anti-Taxes, Anti-Russia.

I don't live in the US anymore. What happened while I've been away? Is it all just anger about Clinton losing election? Seriously, Democrats used to hate when Republicans would talk about Russia being number one geopolitical foe (Remember that Obama line in debate with Romney?), Capitalism/free markets being good, and taxes/tariffs being bad