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Keep in mind, if there is a return flight from a state that does not offer this, you still need a physical license. This will take years to implement, but even then is it really worth it? You still need a physical ID for so many other things.
Absolutely!
Of course you'll still have your licence, you just won't need to pull it out. PITA to pull out the driver's licence and then keep it out and then put it back into your wallet/purse etc.
Everybody has their phone on them or in their pocket. It just make it easier. What would be great is then to have it on the Apple Watch. Now that'd make it super convenient. I bet they'll turn it into a way to scan them though. So even more precise data is going to be kept. Convenience versus surveillance...
 
Unfortunately it is a law that was allowed to pass that requires everyone to have it.

The REAL ID has little to do with travel and more about granting and denying access.

There are already facilities that require REAL ID verification for gaining access. Even hospitals will require it for access into their buildings.
To travel, you only need the passport. I don't know about other stuff.
 
I have paid in cash for transit all over the world, from the Tehran metro, to the Star Ferry in Hong Kong. I would guess I have ridden trains/metros with cash tickets in at least 40 countries and buses in nearly 100 countries.
And this invalidates my statement how? I've ridden trains/metros in 41 countries and many systems have gone or are going cashless.
 
It is still a realID just on your phone.
You’re confused. What he saying is, is that do you still need a physical real ID in conjunction to a digital real ID. There is likely plenty of scenarios for a physical real ID is still necessary, for example; if you’re hired with a new employer, they make a copy of your drivers license to have on file if you have a job that requires some type of travel.

There is situations where a digital ID is sufficient, but we’re nowhere near in a world where you won’t be able to not have a physical ID that will still require it.
 
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years down the road when this is fully implemented there will be people that do not want to use this ... and they will be labeled ________. Fill in the blank.
 
Seeing as AZ is one of the states that was on board with Apple from the get go for the digital license in Apple Wallet, I'm hoping that Phoenix Sky-Harbor International is one of those two airports the TSA will be starting it at. Especially since I have some upcoming travel for work in early 2022.
 
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And this invalidates my statement how? I've ridden trains/metros in 41 countries and many systems have gone or are going cashless.
INCLUDING A LOT IN THE US (Portland, NYC, Phoenix, SD, etc) I don’t understand why people are so afraid. For cash dependent customers, all of these systems in all of those countries have a way to load a prepaid card up with cash.
 
Seeing as AZ is one of the states that was on board with Apple from the get go for the digital license in Apple Wallet, I'm hoping that Phoenix Sky-Harbor International is one of those two airports the TSA will be starting it at. Especially since I have some upcoming travel for work in early 2022.
IDEMIA is the company that makes our AZ licenses and existing mobile app. I see their equipment deployed all over the airport at the TSA lines, so that may just tell me that our airport will be one of those two.
 
But yet California, the world center of tech, can't get it together for this.
That's a silly analysis. It's like saying that Intel is far ahead of TSMC based on the fact that Intel constantly runs its mouth about plans ten years out (which rarely play out as claimed) whereas TSMC **** until they have something 100% working.

The states that have made definite public announcements is not the same thing as the states that are doing the work to make this happen without a glitch. On the CA side, we have, for example:

This is still being debated:
but I expect it will pass, though slowed down by the usual privacy hysteria (hysteria stoked by many of the same MacRumors people complaining about this slow process...)
 
I bet it has something to do with the State of California, not really Apple. Look at how long it took fro them to add the Clipper Card to Apple Wallet. Despite Clipper being used right in Apple's backyard.
Your point is certainly valid, but says something really sad about California. I live in SF and can’t believe how long this stuff takes for the state.
 
I don't know about that. I've spent more time waiting in line while others (and myself) try to straighten out the paper ticket than any on-screen QR code to be scanned. You're also assuming that the digital ID and digital boarding pass cannot be integrated into the same screen or scannable code.
Or, worse case scenario, you have one open on your phone and the other on your watch.
 
You’re confused. What he saying is, is that do you still need a physical real ID in conjunction to a digital real ID. There is likely plenty of scenarios for a physical real ID is still necessary, for example; if you’re hired with a new employer, they make a copy of your drivers license to have on file if you have a job that requires some type of travel.

There is situations where a digital ID is sufficient, but we’re nowhere near in a world where you won’t be able to not have a physical ID that will still require it.
Those companies already accept scanned versions--so I don't see why digital wouldn't suffice--thry just need a copy for their records.
 
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Well no airport would accept a non-existent ID that is relying on Apple to enable first.
That's partially my point. Apple didn't say February. They've only said "early 2022" on the website. It was the TSA that came out and said February. If they're not going to meet that date, they should have updated the timeline.
 
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