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depends, I would not exactly call Apple the best customer. From what I have been reading and Apple history seems to be gaining the reputation to chew up and spit out supplier. Not exactly the best reputation to earn ones self. You can sort of get away with it when you are top dog but when you fall from that perch it can and often times ugly because no one wants to work with you because of the reputation.
Now when could be 15-20 years from now but one thing is for sure Apple will be knock down from it. The top dog is always at some point kick off it is just a question of when. It would not be the first time nor the last time it happens to Apple.

Sure. Who likes dealing with a company that pays you billions of dollars for services. I'm shocked Samsung put up with Apple and their paying them billions of dollars kinda nonsense for this long!
 
not really. You need to remember that the void Apple would leave for a client would be very easy to replace. Much easier than Apple replacing Samsung. There are advantages to shortages in ARM and silcon parts. Supplier hold most of the cards.

You can't be serious. You don't just replace that kind of income stream.

I know a lot of you are obsessed with insisting everyone is wearing "Apple colored glasses" but I'd love to know what glasses you use that reduces a several billion dollar income stream to "easily replaced."
 
Oooh, I like the way you think. I just hope it doesn't take 14 months to come out with white iSocks.

Personally I can't wait until Apple makes everything. Just think of it, we will all be the same, living in euphoria. Apple won't be different anymore, and there will be no more fanboys and Mactards.

Hell no. That would be terrible. Apple are great cause they make a few things really well. If they made everything they'd just become a jack of all trades and master of none. And as much as Apple is it's own competition, it still needs the others to push it from time to time to make better products.

But we love Apple so much, we want to give them all of our money. We will all work for Apple and buy from Apple and put our money in iBanks.

Amen. Samsung is a quality company; their LCD TVs are excellent; I'd take one over a Sony any day of the week. And from my experience their Apple components are high quality and trouble-free.

Why are you bringing sense into the discussion. We love Apple. Apple is great. Steve is the ONE. We don't like Apple's competitors or anyone who says anything bad about Apple.
 
Personally I can't wait until Apple makes everything. Just think of it, we will all be the same, living in euphoria. Apple won't be different anymore, and there will be no more fanboys and Mactards.



But we love Apple so much, we want to give them all of our money. We will all work for Apple and buy from Apple and put our money in iBanks.



Why are you bringing sense into the discussion. We love Apple. Apple is great. Steve is the ONE. We don't like Apple's competitors or anyone who says anything bad about Apple.

I know you're under the impression you're parodying people who have the audacity to own Apple products (oh my god - they pay money for things that they like! So weird...). In reality you're just parodying every silly little Apple obsessive that seems really really upset over how other adults choose to spend their money. Every time one of you guys tries to write something "funny" like this, it always reads the same.
 
I know you're under the impression you're parodying people who have the audacity to own Apple products (oh my god - they pay money for things that they like! So weird...). In reality you're just parodying every silly little Apple obsessive that seems really really upset over how other adults choose to spend their money. Every time one of you guys tries to write something "funny" like this, it always reads the same.

I rest my case.
 
Even a die shrink would do wonders.

Yeah, they are likely testing out TSMC's 28 nm process. AMD's southern islands GPU is known to have taped out in February so they should have at least first silicon back by now, so this isn't a surprise. The real question is if A6 is just an A5 die shrink.
Since this would be a two node drop they could easily halve power at the same performance level. That is just an estimate as they could actually do better.

However I'm really thinking Apple will shoot for much better performance at the same power point. Most likely they will implement a much better GPU to drive pixel doubled screens.
 
Technically I think you are mistaken.

what does everyone think the A6 might be. like just at a higher frequency than the A5 (maybe at 1.2 or 1.5 GHz). or does anyone think they might make a quad core (but that would kill battery)
Actually I suspect adding cores and maintaing current clock rates would use less power than going to 1.5 or 2GHz. Remember back in the day when Intel went dual core for laptop CPUs. Part of the reasoning was that there would be better performance at a given clock rate thus a given power level.
i just dont know what more they can add because they A5 is a really powerful chip.

Actually A5 sucks in a number of ways. For one it is built on an old process tech and as such is big and power hungry. Second the GPU is not really as capable as it should be and needs a big boost to drive resolution double screens. On top of all of that the chip needs a serious update to memory bandwidth or serious caching to support the GPU to drive those resolution doubled screens.

Mind you I'm not saying that the A5 is a bad chip. It is far from that. It is not however extremely powerful as you imagine.
 
I know you're under the impression you're parodying people who have the audacity to own Apple products (oh my god - they pay money for things that they like! So weird...). In reality you're just parodying every silly little Apple obsessive that seems really really upset over how other adults choose to spend their money. Every time one of you guys tries to write something "funny" like this, it always reads the same.

Except that he's right. It has nothing to do with spending more money on something you like, it has everything to do with the attitude that Apple can do no wrong and every decision they make is the best decision for everyone involved. I've spent the same amount of money on some of the same Apple products as many other people have but I don't swear a blind allegiance to Apple.
 
depends on apple's licenses with samsung. A4 was an almost mirror image of the Samsung ARM CPU. not sure about A5, but i think it was as well.

with the A6 it will depend on apple licensing samsung's CPU architecture or someone else's

No, A4 wasn't a Samsung license and Samsung doesn't have a CPU architecture to license out, they all license the CPU architecture from ARM. A4 and Hummingbird shared the same core design because the core was modified by the same company, Intrinsity, which is now owned by Apple. Currently both Samsung Exynos and Apple A5 license the A9 CPU from ARM but their other parts, video core, memory bus, etc, are different.

You're kidding, right? TSMC is the largest independent fab in the world. Bigger than GloFo. Bigger than Samsung (not independent).

Indeed. AFAIK Samsung is the new comer in this business and TSMC is the giant incumbent. Yet many on the internet almost seem to think TSMC is a dinky little business with little experience or production scale because they know Samsung but don't know much about TSMC.
 
My prediction is Apple will source A6 from Samsung and TSMC, maybe half half. Like how ipad screens are sourced from samsung and LG. Extremely silly for Apple to go from only 1 source of such critical part to another only source. But who knows?

Question is, how easy would it be for Samsung to repurpose the A4/5 factories into making something else? Answer to that will be quite useful in predicting what samsung/apple will do.
 
depends, I would not exactly call Apple the best customer. From what I have been reading and Apple history seems to be gaining the reputation to chew up and spit out supplier. Not exactly the best reputation to earn ones self. You can sort of get away with it when you are top dog but when you fall from that perch it can and often times ugly because no one wants to work with you because of the reputation.
Now when could be 15-20 years from now but one thing is for sure Apple will be knock down from it. The top dog is always at some point kick off it is just a question of when. It would not be the first time nor the last time it happens to Apple.
Kudos' for an excellent post, you are right on all points :)
 
Except that he's right. It has nothing to do with spending more money on something you like, it has everything to do with the attitude that Apple can do no wrong and every decision they make is the best decision for everyone involved. I've spent the same amount of money on some of the same Apple products as many other people have but I don't swear a blind allegiance to Apple.

Even the most diehard Apple fan must know that just by the law of averages Apple can't always be right.
I would hope that people who have enough money to spend thousands on iphones, ipads and Macs are intelligent enough to figure out why they buy Apple products.
Since 1984 I have witnessed plenty of clunkers in Apple's line up.
They'll get things right enough over time and more than others for me to buy. The ipad 3 is probably close to a buy now.

Anybody who blindly swears by just one company isn't paying attention !

If something better comes around we'll switch! Not that time yet:)
 
Well, it will be interesting to see what the A6 is really used for... (next ipad revision or addition I imagine).

If Apple moves away from Samsung that will be a big change for them (for Samsung). Huge amount of money shifting to somewhere else... the ripple effects will be interesting... oh the wonders of economics! :)
 
TSMC is number 1 in the foundry business. Hopefully, that translates to reliable products.

Either way, TSMC is no fly-by-nght operation for anyone wondering (since we all know Samsung).
 
Except that he's right. It has nothing to do with spending more money on something you like, it has everything to do with the attitude that Apple can do no wrong and every decision they make is the best decision for everyone involved. I've spent the same amount of money on some of the same Apple products as many other people have but I don't swear a blind allegiance to Apple.

To the limited extent this is true, it is being tested every day by sales results. Apple is growing more rapidly than anyone in large cap tech or retail, so at some level the degree to which they are souring the milk is low.

Please keep us updated on your monthly reaction to this reality. That way I can watch less TV and still be entertained. :)

Rocketman
 
I heard that Steve Jobs has an iPad 3 running an early version of iOS 6 and a A6 inside it.
 
If the A5 contains the RAM, then iPhone 5 wont come with 1GB RAM. A5 has 512MB, which for iOS is plenty, but Im dissapointed.
 
Amen. Samsung is a quality company; their LCD TVs are excellent; I'd take one over a Sony any day of the week. And from my experience their Apple components are high quality and trouble-free.

Samsung makes some good TVs.

But a Sony TV is still a Sony TV. That hasn't changed. ;)
 
If the A5 contains the RAM, then iPhone 5 wont come with 1GB RAM. A5 has 512MB, which for iOS is plenty, but Im dissapointed.

A4 in the ipad had 256MB RAM. A4 in the iphone 4 has 512MB RAM. They can choose how much RAM the package has. That being said, there's no reason to have over 512MB of RAM in iOS really given the way it multi-tasks. Sure, some people complain they can't have 9+ tabs open in safari without having to reload, but that's a pretty marginal case.
 
Everyone else is.

But apparently you have some insider info in your alternate reality where up is down, that defies actual facts. Do tell.

Really, I believe it was SJ who walked out of IBM meeting after telling them that it would be great when they would be done with them.
I believe Apple also screwed over motorala when jumping over to IBM then screwed IBM when jumping over to Intel and I would not put it pass Apple to screw intel and going somewhere else.

Or you have the reports of the past of Apple getting companies to commit to making a huge amount of nand memory to help flood the market with those just to get them at a lower price.

Apple has a reputation of being a hard customer to deal with and chewing up and spitting out suppliers. When you are top dog and when times are bad yeah you can get away with it but when times are good you get bumped down the list and other times they raise the price on you so yeah if they are going to commit to it it is going to cost Apple.
Remember there are other customers other than Apple who are trying to buy parts so they just go to them and leave Apple behind.
 
It's not clear what additional improvements we'll see with the A6 chip, but one possibility is the incorporation of the latest PowerVR Series 6 GPU which promises a significant graphical performance boost to the current implementation. The A6 chip has been previously rumored to be shipping in 2012.


This makes me think is it going to be better waiting for the 2012 iPhone as the new graphics tech sounds very good.
 
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