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Oh the irony.
Yeah... Asking for more robust product is actually less and narrow. No one should ever ask for more or we might upset the phone gods. Shhhh.... Don't request anything more or people's panties will tighten-up and they'll explode.

Do me a favor and add me to your ignore list. Funny as... I have never added anyone here to my ignore list, but you boast about it in your signature. You must be tolerant of different points of view. Oh wait, you're not. Sorry... LMFAO

Must be lousy rugby team effect
 
Glad to know you've done the market research already and you know what would and wouldn't sell. Way to be proactive.
There’s precedent. Companies are releasing thinner and lighter phones because that’s clearly what the consumer wants and that’s what sells.

Ah so a few different features and sizes is all that's needed, but that's not narrow. Different needs for different people and precisely why Apple expanded their product line from the original iPhone. I'm talking about a more robust product than what's currently available, about diversification and you have a problem with that. I know a ton of people in the trade industry that would be all over that type of phone.

And there are cases if you want more protection for your phone.

I am not saying that it is wrong to want certain features in a product. I am simply saying that one has to be realistic about the sort of product that Apple can and will feasibly manufacture. And if you know the design idiosyncrasies that Apple has, it’s clear that there are certain design decisions that they will likely never make. A thicker and bulkier product being one of them.

Apple is a company who thrives on manufacturing at scale, and maintaining a fairly slim portfolio of products. They hate buttons and switches and ports and are all about doing more with less.

A product like the S8 active is simply not a design which Apple stands for. That’s what makes Apple so polarising. You either hate or like their design, and they will not cater to the entire market, and everyone knows it.
 
There’s precedent. Companies are releasing thinner and lighter phones because that’s clearly what the consumer wants and that’s what sells.



And there are cases if you want more protection for your phone.

I am not saying that it is wrong to want certain features in a product. I am simply saying that one has to be realistic about the sort of product that Apple can and will feasibly manufacture. And if you know the design idiosyncrasies that Apple has, it’s clear that there are certain design decisions that they will likely never make. A thicker and bulkier product being one of them.

Apple is a company who thrives on manufacturing at scale, and maintaining a fairly slim portfolio of products. They hate buttons and switches and ports and are all about doing more with less.

A product like the S8 active is simply not a design which Apple stands for. That’s what makes Apple so polarising. You either hate or like their design, and they will not cater to the entire market, and everyone knows it.
I hear what you're saying and honestly don't want to continue talking about it. I took the advice above. This will be my last post on the topic.

My wife and I both have iPhones and have had them since the first one. She now has the 6 or 7, I don't recall, and I have the 5SE after I decided I didn't like the 6 Plus. Anyway, neither of use plan to buy another iPhone because all of our previous one's have gotten damaged in one way or another and they had hard cases. So we're going to buy a cheap android phone and not care if it phones get damaged. I voiced my concern as a need for a more rugged product and in return got a pretty negative response. I'm just going to move on and find the product that best fits my needs.
 
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You mean like when they do it for other products?

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Regarding phone ruggedness,

Its a moot point if you design, manufacture and sell a phone whose glass exterior can't be repaired without replacing the whole phone.
By doing that, you clearly have zero regard for the consumer.

That's not a Ifix it or angry internet claim. Thats direct from apple. Its going to be a $400 repair outside of applecare to fix a glass back.
 
Made by the Samesung Army, with all the ignorance of the same.
It’s not a race for the highest numbers. Samesung needs more “numbers” because it’s devices don’t have the hardware and software integration to need less. Apples devices work better as an integrated software/hardware combination.
No headphone jack is a feature designed to push the limit of what we do. Much like the original iPhone or the removal of old style memory slots.
And I notice faceID is not mentioned. We all know why that is.
Samesung are try hards but don’t have it in them to produce a quality product that is really ground breaking.
 
Made by the Samesung Army, with all the ignorance of the same.
It’s not a race for the highest numbers. Samesung needs more “numbers” because it’s devices don’t have the hardware and software integration to need less. Apples devices work better as an integrated software/hardware combination.
No headphone jack is a feature designed to push the limit of what we do. Much like the original iPhone or the removal of old style memory slots.
And I notice faceID is not mentioned. We all know why that is.
Samesung are try hards but don’t have it in them to produce a quality product that is really ground breaking.

the problem is you're being super defensive and completely missing the point of this picture.

it's not that it's a spec race, But Apple is now, in 2017, adding features and elements to their phone that was available by the competition 3 years ago. The S6 had all those featuresets and design elements and was $650USD when it was released. So thep oint is Apple is now releasing a comprable device from a spec's featureset standpoint, but is charging $999. the question that has to be asked, "Is that $300 worth it for me just because it's an Apple product". That's a value proposition, so you have every right if you say "yes it is".

But don't try and pretend like Apple's iPhoneX is some first / miraculous device that's introducing all this tech to the world for the first time. Just because much of this tech is new to Apple. doesn't mean it's new to the rest of the world. Hence why many of us balk at the $999 price point.

While you may or m ay not believe it, but from a pure technology standpoint, you typically get a lot more tech out of android flagships than you do iPhones. iPhones however have iOS, and some other intangibles. But nothing in the iPhone X is really breaking new ground to the smartphone industry.
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I wouldn't define slow responding apps as "destroyed". Especially since the people that are experiencing it will receive a fix for it in later software updates.

Not to mention, I have iOS 11 installed on two 7Plus' and two iPad Pros at my house and neither me or my wife have experienced any of the issues talked about in the article you linked.


the good old "it doesn't happen to me, so everyone else must be embellishing" argument.
 
<Facepalm>

The phone was only available to pre-order for delivery or in store pickup in agreed windows, officially there were none that you could just walk in and buy.

Reason: "Re-sellers" (trying to be polite) with every friend and family member they could find buying the entire store's stock in the first 30 minutes and basically spoiling the thing for everyone else who queued and just wanted to buy a phone for themselves.

Upshot: Small queues of people waiting for the store to open because they were in the first pickup window and knew they would get a phone.

How did I find this out? I walked into a store about a week before and asked a member of staff if they were ready for the chaos on launch day and they told me. Crazy idea, I know, and I'm not even a journalist.
 
I've learned the hard way not to buy the first iteration of anything Apple brings out. Although this isn't their first phone, there's a whole load of new tech in it which has tons of potential to be glitchy. I'll either hold out for next year's model with my current 6s, or maybe get an 8 and wait even a bit longer for the home-button-free and Face-ID design to properly bed in.
 
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