Hooray for instant gratification. Always need to have the shiniest fanciest toy to make you feel better about yourself. Satisfaction doesn't come with new fancy toys. The delta in functionality does not justify the delta in price between buying a new device and selling in 2 years versus buy a 2 year old device and selling that in 2 years. You can do the math any way you like but your TCO will be less than half buy going the used route. Same goes for cars or anything else that's a depreciating asset. If you like the idea of raising mindless consumers go right ahead.
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Turnout for iPhone 8 Launch in Australia 'Bleak' as Customers Hold Out for Upcoming iPhone X
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Then there is this:
From a report to subscribers Friday by Loup Ventures' Gene Munster:
This week we surveyed 388 consumers in the U.S. across all demographics and found that of those planning to buy an iPhone in the next year, 25% plan on purchasing an iPhone X and 39% and iPhone 8 and 8 Plus. We are modeling for iPhone X to be 20% of units over the next year, and iPhone 8 and 8 Plus to be 25% of units over the next year. Said another way, the survey suggested 64% of iPhones in the next year will be either the iPhone X, iPhone 8, or 8 Plus, compared to our current model of 45%. While we are encouraged by this survey, we are keeping our iPhone mix estimates unchanged to err on the side of conservatism.
My take: Munster warned that the lines outside the closely watched 5th Avenue Apple store—which dwindled from 1,880 people in 2014, to 650 in 2015, to 400 last year—will be even shorter this year. Be prepared for the media to be disappointed.
So maybe the doomsayers are wrong
I don't think so. I was talking in general and not to you as I don't know your full circumstances. In fact, I was going to say that I hope you don't buy her the iPhone 8 but then I realized that I would be stepping into something that is not my business.
So just to clarify so you don't think its about you!
11 year old kid shouldn't have the latest and greatest UNLESS (as mentioned in previous response) the kid him/herself uses his/her savings that most likely collected for years from pocket money and probably made some extra income from chores work etc.
I'm sure you are from a generation (assuming your age here so don't take me too seriously as I'm only guessing) that if you went to your parents and asked for a gadget that costs close to £1000 you would most likely be denied such nonsense, right?
Regardless, its not about you and its not passive aggresive towards you as I don't know your circumstances. I was just stating that I disagree how kids have very expensive gadgets that were bought to them by their parents as I don't believe its the right thing to do as I was brought up with different values. You may agree or disagree with me but its not about you.
Either way, if my kid comes to me at the age of 11 and tells me that he/she needs iPhone XYZ that costs around £1000 my response will be: Are you out of your mind?
But thats just me. I might be too old fashioned regarding these things. As they say, different strokes for different folks.
Are we ok now? Or are you gonna take it against you?
Is your definition of Instant gratification working over one year, not spending in anything else, investing in lemonade to be resold, doing extra work/chores, giving up treats, and having a long term objective?
Wow! Then I welcome instant gratification!!!
What you’re saying is that even after hard work etc money should not be spent in what we desire (phone or house doesn’t matter). That’s the best way to teach an 11yo to spend many times in little amounts asap: you just killed motivation.
Here's a little secret. I'm Apple's biggest fan but I'm stilling using an iPhone 5S !
I was going to get the 6S but because of shortages I'd have had to wait to January, by which time I thought, might as well wait for the 7.
Then my battery started to go and again I couldn't get my hands on a 7 when they came out, so I changed the battery myself for $25.
So then there was no hurry and the rumours were last year's model was going to be the big new form factor. But it wasn't. So I waited another year. Crazy to change my phone just before the big upgrade.
Meanwhile I'm thinking, wow that $25 iFixit battery has saved me a couple of thousand dollars now. And now with iOS11 my phone is working better and faster than ever lol.
I definitely want to get an X this year. In fact I'm going to force myself to order online and pay the full price rather than wait for my phone company to get them and get a discount, because otherwise I know another year will go by …
I was going to get the 6S but because of shortages I'd have had to wait to January, by which time I thought, might as well wait for the 7.
Then my battery started to go and again I couldn't get my hands on a 7 when they came out, so I changed the battery myself for $25.
So then there was no hurry and the rumours were last year's model was going to be the big new form factor. But it wasn't. So I waited another year. Crazy to change my phone just before the big upgrade.
Meanwhile I'm thinking, wow that $25 iFixit battery has saved me a couple of thousand dollars now. And now with iOS11 my phone is working better and faster than ever lol.
I definitely want to get an X this year. In fact I'm going to force myself to order online and pay the full price rather than wait for my phone company to get them and get a discount, because otherwise I know another year will go by …
I wasn't aware that people still line up for iPhones. Wow. For this thing?
In physiology (and psychology), there is the concept of a refractory period, whereby a cell – muscle cell, nerve cell, or other – will not respond to an external stimulus for a certain period after being initially excited (scientific term) by a prior stimulus. If the stimuli keep occurring, it may register at the local cells, but be shunted into background information by your brain (i.e., the sensation of your shirt touching your skin).
I have to imagine that with Apple, Samsung, Google, LG and a myriad of other companies constantly releasing newer, better, pricier phones, that some of us are becoming desensitized to the "have to have" mentality that Apple and others love in their consumers. If you haven't reached this point of stimulus overload yet, you probably will. Just give it another year or two, when that $1000 phone you bought is no longer the greatest thing on the market, and it dawns on you that buying expensive gadgets might get you a short-term high, but it won't fix/help anything of real importance.
Consumerism, like porn, alcohol, and pharmacological substances, can easily develop into an addictive behavior. Think about it: you wind up paying large sums of money for a relative high, but it never leaves you completely satisfied, and sooner or later you're back on the market looking for more, more, more.
As some guy said in the movies, "The things you own, end up owning you."
I have to imagine that with Apple, Samsung, Google, LG and a myriad of other companies constantly releasing newer, better, pricier phones, that some of us are becoming desensitized to the "have to have" mentality that Apple and others love in their consumers. If you haven't reached this point of stimulus overload yet, you probably will. Just give it another year or two, when that $1000 phone you bought is no longer the greatest thing on the market, and it dawns on you that buying expensive gadgets might get you a short-term high, but it won't fix/help anything of real importance.
Consumerism, like porn, alcohol, and pharmacological substances, can easily develop into an addictive behavior. Think about it: you wind up paying large sums of money for a relative high, but it never leaves you completely satisfied, and sooner or later you're back on the market looking for more, more, more.
As some guy said in the movies, "The things you own, end up owning you."
In this context: Choppy, degraded performance that makes the device frustrating to use on a day-to-day basis.
In all three of the devices I listed above, they were performing just fine/to expectation before I installed those updates. Afterward the performance was severely degraded. It was most apparent in the UI (app opening, scrolling, slow typing, overall responsiveness...).
iOS 5 on the 3GS did the least damage, while 7 and greater made those other devices feel reasonably unusable.
It's idiotic to believe that FaceID is capable of stalking someone. It's idiotic buy a phone for specifically for its customizability and never customize it. That's what I indicated. The ideas are absurd. The author only spoke with 35 people, not a valid piece of "journalism" especially if you screen out the idiots. I think your reading and judging is colored by your disdain for those who like Apple products (and btw you have no clue if I'm actually an Apple fan, but that didn't stop you from being all judgy). I'm not interested in the iPhone X either but I don't think it's going to steal my wallet while I sleep. I respect those who are fine with their older kit. I still have my 6, like it a lot, and am only upgrading to an 8 because my GPS is broken.
Isn't it easy for a developer to recompile an app then upload it to the App Store?
Also from studying processor design at uni, there is an issue with backwards compatibility. If Apple wants to squeeze every ounce of power and battery life out of it's limited silicon/transistor budget then killing 32bit support is a smart idea. But I wasn't affected by this so I guess I feel less bothered by it. Shouldn't you be more annoyed by the developers who've had years to release an updated app yet haven't done so?
I'm more pissed that they removed 3D touch multitasking support. there's zero reason for doing that except making the iPhone X look better.
They clearly knew what they were doing when revealing two different Phone versions in the same update cycle. Cannibalising might not be that bad. I cannot believe anyone at Apple is surprised about these ''low'' customer numbers for the iPhone 8/8 Plus (we haven't seen any numbers yet, so we might be surprised here, too).
im curious - and maybe someone can chime in.
Apple said the iphone 8 was a flag ship.
Were they really expecting a luke warm reception to this iphone?
Apple said the iphone 8 was a flag ship.
Were they really expecting a luke warm reception to this iphone?
What on earth are you talking about?
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Speak for yourself. People had no choice of larger iPhone. But after having larger screen phone, would they go back to the tinny one?
As for perfect size, that’s Apples marketing.
Just a guess, obviously, but I would say so; Apple knows very well that they are cannibalising their iPhone product line by offering two different versions within the same update cycle. There are very few customers out there who buy an iPhone 8/8 Plus this autumn and then an (even more expensive) iPhone X this winter. The vast majority buys one or the other.
They might use this double release as a test to see how popular the all-screen iPhone really is. By the way, in the past there were quite a few on MR who complained when the iPhone design was changed significantly (think of iPhone 4/5 vs 6). At least they give those people an option now...
It seems like my battery is better with 11 on my 6..how bout yours?
The 8+ is coming in the mail today..pretty psyched to shoot some video and take some pics.
I"ll upgrade to the SEX(special edition X) next year..maybe we'll see.
What I don't understand is why are people surprised that the traffic in stores is down?
How many people are like me and trading in their phones?
T-MO had a $300 trade for my 6..so I'm not going to the store to get it.
No doubt that the X will sell like hotcakes though.
My battery life collapsed with the last iOS 10 update (like it would lose half it's charge over 12 hours even in standby) and it's still pretty poor with iOS 11 (loses about a third, now). It could just be the battery is giving up the ghost after three years (my phone was replaced with a refurb under warranty about six months ago, but I do not know if they replaced the battery during the refurb process).
Huh, I've waited to post to see if its really better and it seems to a bit better.
be interesting to see how well the 8+ fares
I don't take surveys like this particularly seriously. People can say one thing and do the opposite when the decision time comes.
Lets see what reality is.
Lets see what reality is.
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Apple's iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus are already available for purchase in countries like New Zealand, Australia, Japan, and China, and in Sydney, one of the first cities where the two devices became available, lines were short and there was little demand for the new smartphones.
The iPhone 8 launch in Sydney saw "a bleak turnout," reports Reuters, with fewer than 30 people lining up outside of the Sydney Apple Store on George Street. In past years, hundreds of people have lined up for new iPhones on release day.
Apple customers on Twitter have also noted shorter lines in other locations.
The perceived lack of demand for the iPhone 8 and mixed reviews about the device caused Apple stock to fall as low as $152.75 on Thursday. Hints of demand issues first popped up last Friday, when iPhone 8 pre-orders kicked off.
Ahead of a standard launch, pre-order supplies of new iPhones often sell out online, but that was not the case with the iPhone 8 and the iPhone 8 Plus. Hours after the two devices became available for sale, there was still plenty of stock, with September 22 delivery dates available either online or with in-store pickup.
Many customers appear to be waiting for the higher-cost iPhone X, Apple's new flagship device that will become available for pre-order on October 27. Priced starting at $999, the device features an edge-to-edge OLED display, upgraded cameras, and a new facial recognition system.
Supplies of the iPhone X are rumored to be extremely constrained, and it's been suggested that Apple will not be able to supply adequate amounts of the devices to meet demand until well into 2018.
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that is correct..
however, it's all relative.
my parents were broke.. they made maybe $25,000/year (in today's money)..
my 'big' xmas gift would be something like an $89 bike from kmart..
i'll assume an $89 gift is something you'd consider acceptable, correct?
but, let's say they made $250k/yr.. then, buying an $890 item is equivalent to my parents buying an $89 item.
in a society with a different type of money distribution (in simple terms, say, communism instead of capitalism) then your argument holds more weight.. but in the society many/most of us are in right now, it's not really saying much and you're instead speaking of your personal experience as if it's the same for everyone else.. you're judging what someone else should buy based on the amount of money you're personally familiar with.. which is a mistake (imo).
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but again, as said by me a few times in this thread.. i didn't buy my childs' phone(s) (i have two daughters)... i pay their phone bill but the physical phones aren't bought by me.. their original phones were but they've since upgraded, a few times, on their own dime.
kids can earn money.. and considerably more than 'pennies'.
i think a key difference between my parenting style and that of those who are offended by my original post regarding this is:
they'll encourage a kid to get a paper route job in which they'll have to wake up at 3am, pack papers, deliver them to houses before anybody else wakes up, get back home by 7am.. and have 50 bucks to save that week..
then these particular adults are further encouraging by being proud of the kid as they're learning some sort of valuable life lesson.. etc.
whereas i-- would make the kid get the paper route job.. just so they can experience what a crappy job that is and the amount of time spent is a complete rip off considering the amount of spending power received..
idk, if you teach a kid to get a crappy job that's hardly enjoyable/stimulating and pays very little... and that this is a good thing.. well.. you figure out the rest but it's likely this lesson youre teaching is going to carry with them their entire life.
cool.
you could also show them how to earn $1000.. exploit the fact that they're 11 and that there are certain jobs for 11 year olds which can't be done by a 16+ year old..
teach the kid how to make money.
or, just tell them they're crazy instead.. up to you.
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This is the case for the extreme majority of people I bet but there will probably be a couple million rabid fans that still line up or pre order and that will be enough for the X to sell out in 5 minutes.