tvOS 12: What do you want to see?

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    Apple hasn't done a lot of tweaking of tvOS in updates, so we may not see much, but what features do you want to see Apple bring to tvOS 12?
     
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    Nice, yeah, I think this is the suggestion at the top of everyone's list. Apple promised, so fingers crossed.
     
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    +1 for audio passthrough of True HD and DTS X
     
  5. BODYBUILDERPAUL macrumors 6502a

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    YES YES YES!!! :)

    Clean, punchy, involving, alive sound with the wow factor please Apple. Picture is outstanding. Let's have the audio outstanding too please. This is 2018 after all and since BluRay was 10 years ago, it would be lovely to have iTunes films / Apple TV that sound at least as great as BluRay once did :)
     
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    Picture-in-picture is really all I can ask for. Interface is nice, device is quick, I dont really have any complaints with it.
     
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    Details of the stream info option. More technical details without having to set up a developers account.
     
  8. Michelasso macrumors 6502

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    This is a must indeed. And more apps. Like IMDB, Wikipedia and sure.. Safari!! Oh, I wouldn't mind to have the touchpad acting as such either. With a mouse cursor and all to be clear. As it is now Apple could simply use the 4 directional buttons. Useless.
     
  9. oneMadRssn macrumors 68040

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    1. Audio passthrough.
    2. Resolution matching.
    3. An open Siri search / TV app api so any app can show up there and not only those allowed in by Apple.
    4. The ability to set non-icloud and non-itunes photo screensavers.
     
  10. HobeSoundDarryl, May 18, 2018
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    Here's just a few of my own wishes...
    • More modern audio codec support than 1991's Dolby Digital (doesn't matter to me if any of that appears in the online store). DD 7.1 was a good but- IMO- modest step. Where's the rest of the modern majors? If this is supposed to be Apple’s answer to the “bag of hurt,” fully compete on both the video & audio fronts (whether content in the store evolves or not). Make the hardware as capable as any 4K BD player on the market, so there is no technical superiority in BD hardware. If this IS competition, fully compete!
    • Fix fast scroll so that it works again. As is, fast scroll should be called fast & stutter or fast & stall scroll. It starts going fast then stalls, starts & stalls. For a little while it worked as intended- perhaps even called buttery smooth scrolling through a long list of titles.
    • Resurrect great features of the :apple:TV OS from prior models. Even little stuff like using the "Show" tag to better group serialized movies (Star Wars, Harry Potter, etc) rather than listing each "episode" in a single long list. Good functions and functionality of prior models have been replaced with lessor/worse/no "solutions.” Once you achieve "just works,” adopt a "if it ain't broke" mentality, instead of periodically re-inventing anyway and creating "just DOESN'T work" replacements... or no replacements at all.
    • Go back to putting our own movies in a Movies menu, our own TV Shows in a TV Show menu, etc. "Computers" as a catch-all is NOT intuitive.
    • Siri search should "see" our own content even faster than only seeing our "in the cloud" content. IMO- it's borderline ridiculous that Siri is unable to see my own content.
    • Quit prioritizing rentals & purchases. Prioritize us- the users- and make the rentals & purchases available but not dominating the product UI. Note this idea is not about taking money from Apple but shifting back toward the original approach to how :apple:TV and iTunes rentals/purchases worked together... the way Jobs approved it.
    • Support network storage for those that desire to cut the "always on" cord with some computer elsewhere in the house. It is still a very desirable feature for some. "The Cloud" is not an answer for everyone. A "local Cloud" could be a great option. As an optional feature(s), this would affect no one happy with the "as is" (streaming only) approach but it would scratch a big itch for many.
    • Speaking of “local cloud,” it seems like a slam dunk new product from Apple would be the ultimate iTunes media storage device (mostly a big hard drive(s) that shifts a home’s iTunes media to a single device and from which all of the computer & mobile devices can draw content. Yes, there are attempts at this from many other players but only Apple could build a complete one and directly integrate it into the various Apple OSes to make it seamless (as if the content is on the storage of the various household devices). Yes, we can get close to this with “home sharing” via a dedicated computer, but instead of dedicating a computer, how about a NAS from Apple refined to cover this specific task? I would think they would sell a ton of these.
    • Support for some kind of comprehensive, system-based, DVR-like functionality (cloud or local drive). Record anything that can be played by any app (which is what would make this different than virtual DVRs within only select apps). Store the recordings as long as you like. Stream it to whatever device you have on your network or to your mobile devices. Etc. Basically, a fully functional, universal DVR that works with everything. Add on dongle?: maybe hardware H.265 compression to more efficiently store whatever is recorded?
    • I don't think one remote can ever "fit all." So, create dedicated remote codes for all TV interaction functions so that people can use whatever remote they want and have as close to full control of the device as possible. A plethora of discrete codes for universal remotes would be an invisible way to deliver on this, affecting no one happy with the “as is” but opening up many more capabilities for those who would rather use universal remotes to control the unit in traditional ways. Apple could still ship it with their definition of "perfect remote" but discrete codes would allow those who want something different to even more effectively go with other kinds of controllers and do things not possible within the limited number of codes associated with it now.
    • Full web browser (Safari?) for :apple:TV would provide a way to access any online video not yet packaged into :apple:TV apps or streaming services.
    • Dedicate (more?) talent to this hardware & software to fully compete with the dedicated talent at work for competitors. Apple has more money than any of them, yet those other guys seem to be making the strides with this kind of product. Why? My guess: FOCUS... as in, focused talent. Make a subset of that talent work harder on bringing mainstream apps available on iDevices to this box. For example, where’s stuff like Tivo or DISH Anywhere? This box becomes added value if it can replace the need to lease boxes from cable & satt companies. Many equivalent apps already exist for mobile iDevices. It's not a big stretch to bring them to :apple:TV.
    • Make Homekit compatibility less costly (lower the licensing fees) so that the same stuff with that compatibility is not about twice as expensive. I don't want to pay $229 for door locks otherwise available for about $100 just so that I don't have to pull a key out of my pocket or punch in a numeric code. IMO, convenience and "gee whiz" has some value but not 2X (or more) retail.
    • Get tvOs basic video consumption features "just works" right. How about NOT having a round of the faithful spinning bugs as "just one software update" this time? Test, test, test with real people watching real video and LISTEN to what they think is not working well... then fix it before rolling it out to ALL of us (yes, I know, squashing obvious bugs BEFORE is a near insanity wish here- what am I thinking???). Yes, that may jeopardize the "surprise"/secrecy but "the big reveal" loses it's shine when "the big reality" is feeling like beta or alpha testers for months and months thereafter. How did the “5” get out the door without auto-HDR settings? Gen 1 felt "just works." Achieve that again.
    • The hopping app-to-app approach seems to doom the ability to discover new shows without other people selling us to try and locate them. New shows don’t get much time to attract the critical number of eyeballs to keep new episodes coming. Even stuff like Seinfeld & Cheers took upwards of a year before they became hits. Making it harder for the masses to discover new shows seems to complicate the chances of a modern day Seinfeld or Cheers finding enough audience fast enough to keep new episodes being produced. Fix this.
    • Make accessing the tvOS app store possible via computer to significantly improve the ability to find desirable apps.
    • The al-a-carte channels or al-a-carte shows dream slung around here is immensely appealing- even if they are unlikely to be realized at the oft-slung steep discounts and oft-wanted addition of "commercial free." Still, anything in that direction is better than nothing, even if it comes with realistic pricing (which is not about a dollar or fiver for access to every video ever made) and leverages the subsidy benefit of at least some commercials. A bunch of less-money-in-the-bank competitors have managed to bring various versions of this concept to market already. Apple certainly has the resources and cash to out do any of them. What's the hold up? Get it done.
     
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    Don't we already have 2 and 3?
     
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    Regarding 2, the AppleTV upconverts everything to the resolution the AppleTV is set at. So for example if I play a movie that is 1080p from Netflix, and the AppleTV is set to 4k, it upconverts the movie to 4k and sends that 4k signal to the tv. I'd like the option to not have the AppleTV do the upconversion. In some cases, the TV built-in upconversion is better than Apple's so I would rather the AppleTV just played the file as is in it's native resolution.

    Regarding 3, apps can't integrate in Siri search nor the TV app without Apple's assistance. Apple has been good about adding niche apps, so I'm not complaining there. But it would be nice if it was just a plain API that any developer can take advantage of. The biggest that come to mind are Plex and Infuse. If I have a movie in Plex or Infuse, and I search for that movie using Siri, it would be good if it was able to launch the Plex/Infuse app to play that movie just like it can launch the HBOGo or Hulu apps, for example. Same for the TV app - it would be cool if it was able to keep track of episodes played through Infuse or Plex in addition to the other supported services.
     
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    Picture-in-picture would definitely be useful, though I guess technically I've never really used this on other television boxes where I've had it available. Maybe makes more sense with Apple TV and apps.

    My number one request is Netflix for the TV app.

    I'd also really like to see a focus on bug fixes, honestly. I am still having an issue where my Apple TV video will go blank and I'll only hear sound after the Apple TV is idle for a short period of time. Seems to be HDMI related, but I've swapped the cable out twice.
     
  14. leon1988 macrumors newbie

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    Seen some nice point here. I would personally ask.

    1: Support for iCloud playlists for movies and tv shows. I love to organize my movies in a certain way. I think Apple Music does this in a good way.

    2: Extended features in the TV App (and release the app worldwide). Allow more 3th parties to work together or release a API. I think there is a lot of potential here.

    It seems to me that TVos is the most
    unutilized OS from Apple. With more and more streaming services coming I think that there should be a big focus on simplifying access to content.
     
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    Are you saying Match Frame Rate isn't working?
     
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    I'm talking about resolution (e.g., 720p, 1080p, 2160p), not frame rate (e.g., 24hz, 30hz, 60hz, 120hz).
     
  17. BODYBUILDERPAUL macrumors 6502a

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    No dude, what he means is, he'd like the ATV if it detects a 1080p film to send it as 1080p to his 4K TV so that the TV will upscale. At the moment, the ATV upscales the 1080p film to 4K although i've got to say, as expected with Apple, the upscaled in the Apple TV is damn excellent!!! (Only the SONY TV has an upscaled as good as or slightly better - again, in the eyes of the beholder.)
     
  18. JeffPerrin, May 18, 2018
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    +1 on audio pass-through for sure.

    With my surround sound music apps, I have the opportunity to compare audio quality between ATV models side-by-side. The ATV3 audio always sounds better, even though it only supports the older Dolby Digital codec!
     
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    My biggest wish is for live services like PlayStation Vue and Directv Now to be available directly in the TV app.

    I’d also like picture in picture, an audiobooks app, and even an alarm clock type function would be nice.

    A Home app and an option to always default to a HomePod or other airplay speaker as the audio output (even when the the HomePod has been used with another device recently) and override any other device that’s using it would be awesome.
     
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  21. Tech198, May 20, 2018
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    Bug fixes: (Home Sharing)

    (1). Sometimes after sleep, when you wake ATV up, the background image behind the description page(s) of TV Shows is gone...

    Its easier to read on a black background, but there is no longer a blurry image displaying.

    (2). Also in Home sharing there is sometimes no "Watched" (tick) after TV show is watched..

    It may 'appear' it's unique to content, but if you go back, then open season again, any affected show already watched is updated to show with a (tick). This makes me think its *not* content related.
     
  22. snooksy83, May 20, 2018
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    1. Fix missing Dolby Atmos support and give the option to Pass through current AV signals. This should be moved from the global Settings screen to be available for the playing media with separate options for both audio and video.
    2. PIP - Pop up video windows that stay on screen when switching between apps.
    3. HDR10+ support.

    My list is composed entirely of software problems. tvOS has been ignored since AppleTV 4K was released. Even a small team of developers should have been able to get this done since it's the ATV4K was released over 12 months ago.
     
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    Binge mode for TV shows in my iTunes library via the Computers app.
     
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    Is 4K for TV shows on any Apple road map?
     
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    Dude! A TV is not needed in LA. It's a healthy, social, outdoor place :)
     

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