You have a bizarre way of interpreting things. Saying Tesla's recent quarters were stronger is not saying previous quarters were necessarily bad. Again, I was pointing out that the recent quarters (which is what you had originally brought up many posts ago) were stronger than previous quarters largely due to things like significant price cuts, additional discounts, models potentially qualifying for $7,500 federal tax credits again, etc.
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You have a bizarre way of interpreting things. Saying Tesla's recent quarters were stronger is not saying previous quarters were necessarily bad. Again, I was pointing out that the recent quarters (which is what you had originally brought up many posts ago) were stronger than previous quarters largely due to things like significant price cuts, additional discounts, models potentially qualifying for $7,500 federal tax credits again, etc.
We’ll revisit this in 2026 and see how this aged. My guess is not very well. After all, it seemed to be widely predicted in 2011 apple was doomed.
Your original statement was "Without the major price cuts and government credits, Tesla would not have seen the kind of delivery numbers they did."
This is false. They would simply cut prices even more and, gee I don't know, run their first ever national broadcast TV advertisement. As I've said time and time again, Tesla has fat margins. More than enough to cut prices and more than enough for a major ad campaign.
Tesla had a strong quarter last quarter. Saying the gov handed them a W does not mean they couldn't have gotten a W without gov support.
Which goes back to the original point: Elon isn't clueless when it comes to business.
Analysts thought Tesla would be dead by now.
Tesla Bankruptcy Not So Far Fetched, Says Analyst | OilPrice.com
Just days after Elon Musk’s not-so-well-received April Fool’s tweet that spoke of Tesla’s imminent bankruptcy in jest might not be so foolish after alloilprice.com
An analyst. Quoted by Oilprice.com. I'd call it a textbook example of a strawman argument, but I think most textbooks would consider it too obvious an example to be educational.
I'm not sure what point you think you're making about the overall health and future prospects of Tesla by repeating this "someone thought they'd be out of business by now" argument but it's not making your case for you, it's simply undermining the credibility of your assertions.
My statement is clearly true. The significant price cuts, additional discounts, Teslas again qualifying for $7,500 in federal tax credits, etc. absolutely resulted in Tesla delivering more cars in the last quarter than they otherwise would have without those factors. To think otherwise is totally ridiculous. Why would Tesla have made such significant price cuts and sacrificed so much profit if they could've gotten the same numbers by keeping the prices higher?
Wow. If you are that delusional about Tesla's delivery numbers, there's no reason to continue this discussion.
Have you read the authorized biography, "Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future"?
It's pretty enlightening, for a number of reasons. One, is that it's actually an authorized biography detailing Musk's history with business, so it's trying hard to paint him in a positive light while being forced to address the many elephants in the room (which actually makes him look pretty bad in the current context)...
One of the most interesting parts is the retelling of the story of the original X.com. You can read it here:
https://infinityturbine.com/search/seamerlin/spacex-and-quest-051.html
It's a very clear story of Musk failing hard at running X.com by doing the EXACT SAME THINGS he's now doing with Twitter. The main difference being that he was forced out of X.com by a vote of no-confidence, and this time he owns Twitter so there's no one to pull the plug except himself. At this point, it's like he's determined to prove that all his bad ideas from the past weren't actually bad, and it was everyone else who was the problem...
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Oh wow. Forbes, the magazine that never published something a publicist sent them verbatim.
Müsk doesn't own a fossil fuel NATION and worldwide crime syndicate. Pütin is the richest man in the world. Still.
Oh I agree with that - but I think his narcissism is so prevelant, it eclipses such level-headed approaches...
Today I learned about Everland! Neat!
This is who he is:
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
“About a decade ago, #Tesla rigged the dashboard readouts in its electric cars to provide “rosy” projections of how far owners can drive before needing to recharge, a source told Reuters. The automaker last year became so inundated with driving-range complaints that it created a special team to cancel owners’ service appointments.”
"Inside the Nevada team’s office, some employees celebrated canceling service appointments by putting their phones on mute and striking a metal xylophone, triggering applause from coworkers who sometimes stood on desks. The team often closed hundreds of cases a week and staffers were tracked on their average number of diverted appointments per day.
Managers told the employees that they were saving Tesla about $1,000 for every canceled appointment, the people said. Another goal was to ease the pressure on service centers, some of which had long waits for appointments"
Believe it when he shows himself to you.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
“About a decade ago, #Tesla rigged the dashboard readouts in its electric cars to provide “rosy” projections of how far owners can drive before needing to recharge, a source told Reuters. The automaker last year became so inundated with driving-range complaints that it created a special team to cancel owners’ service appointments.”
"Inside the Nevada team’s office, some employees celebrated canceling service appointments by putting their phones on mute and striking a metal xylophone, triggering applause from coworkers who sometimes stood on desks. The team often closed hundreds of cases a week and staffers were tracked on their average number of diverted appointments per day.
Managers told the employees that they were saving Tesla about $1,000 for every canceled appointment, the people said. Another goal was to ease the pressure on service centers, some of which had long waits for appointments"
Believe it when he shows himself to you.
He is nowhere on Mars at this point, they are still several years away from the Moon and that is with a lot of help from NASA.
After all this, his incompetence writ large for the world to see....
People STILL think he is getting humans to Mars?
wow.
People STILL think he is getting humans to Mars?
wow.
Can’t wait to get my Tesla. No tax. $15k jn incentives. Yep it’ll make up for the rosy picture of range that Tesla reported.
But that aside, “x” will do just fine imo.
I remember when Teslas were a status symbol a long time ago before he bought Twitter, then they turned into a sign to the world that one did not care about the actions of the most petulant man baby Twitter poop poster? or if one was a wanna be tech bro.
Good times...Good times...
techstory.in
www.washingtonpost.com
I remember when the used Tesla market (which has flat-out fallen thru the roof) was only one page long:
www.tesla.com
It seems like people are finally wising up to things and getting rid of them faster than you can say:
"Tesla turns off FSD 1/2 second before accidents so they can claim it was humor error and not their beta level self-driving road gimmick."
Good times...Good times...
Good times...Good times...
Tesla Tops the List for Most Recalled Cars, While Mercedes and Toyota Remain at the Bottom - TechStory
iSeeCars study reveals Tesla tops recall list with 4 models; Porsche follows. Lexus, Mercedes-Benz, Toyota have fewest recalls
techstory.in
How Elon Musk knocked Tesla’s ‘Full Self-Driving’ off course
Before he took over Twitter he wanted to make Tesla cars drive themselves.
www.washingtonpost.com
I remember when the used Tesla market (which has flat-out fallen thru the roof) was only one page long:
New & Used Electric Cars | Tesla
Find new and used Tesla cars. Every new Tesla has a variety of configuration options and all pre-owned Tesla vehicles have passed the highest inspection standards.
www.tesla.com
It seems like people are finally wising up to things and getting rid of them faster than you can say:
"Tesla turns off FSD 1/2 second before accidents so they can claim it was humor error and not their beta level self-driving road gimmick."
Good times...Good times...
Tesla took apples model of not allowing owners to repair their own cars or even order parts, plus limiting fast charging on rebuilt cars…. if they can limit who can charge based on individual vehicles that opens one’s mind as to why the .gov wants everyone in these electric cars that’s TONS of control over societies personal freedoms if everyone is driving a car that can basically be turned into a paperweight by a keystroke in the corporate office
As for Twitter, or whatever it’s called, it’s worlds better now that it supports free speech, logo wise I think they should have kept the dodge, but I’m still not going to sign up for it
Personally I don’t tweet, gram, Facebook, etc, it’s red ink ROI wise for me and I’ve seen it used against many people
A fantastic splash of cold water on the subject of Xusk and the current state of X/Twitter.
Well worth the read:
https://wheresyoured.at/p/the-rot-king
Well worth the read:
https://wheresyoured.at/p/the-rot-king
And now Musk has reinstated an account that posted CSAM images yesterday... 
This guy is such a POS.
This guy is such a POS.
In most locations the driver still is responsible for the safety of the vehicle….as if this has anything to do with “X”. And fyi, people are still buying Volkswagens.
Probably around Mars with a short hop to the surface. Starship can carry up to almost 100 passengers!
“The fully reusable Starship system uses on-orbit propellent transfer to enable the transport of up to 100 people to Mars or other distant destinations.”
Also, Musk employs close to 140,000 people.
Tesla 127,800
SpaceX 9,500
X 1,300
And in totally diverse fields.
If you run a company, you can’t help but appreciate how he has handled them and how they have grown. As for X we shall see, but realize that X at the end of the day may be more an altruistic thing for humanity. Gates does it one way and Musk may do it another way.
Tesla 127,800
SpaceX 9,500
X 1,300
And in totally diverse fields.
If you run a company, you can’t help but appreciate how he has handled them and how they have grown. As for X we shall see, but realize that X at the end of the day may be more an altruistic thing for humanity. Gates does it one way and Musk may do it another way.
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No, I was explaining the differing reasons for the various quarter numbers. The recent quarter (which is the one you had originally brought up) was stronger than previous quarters for reasons I've already explained multople times i.e., significant price cuts, additional discounts, models potentially qualifying for $7,500 federal tax credits again, etc.
There are many automakers bringing new EV models to market in the coming years. Some analysts (one example below) are predicting Tesla’s EV market share will even drop below 20% within a few years which is significantly lower than it is now.
Tesla's U.S. electric vehicle market share will drop to 18% by 2026, BofA estimates
BofA expects the market to shift significantly from new entrants, such as Tesla, to incumbent automakers.www.cnbc.com
Tesla's market share and brand value may drop even more severely..... when people actually read that Tesla has been deceiving its owners about core features of its cars.
Tesla allegedly formed a team to quash driving range complaints (Gizmodo)
Tesla had 'secret team' cancel EV range complaints: Reuters
Tesla exaggerated EV range so much that drivers thought cars were broken. Inundated with complaints, Tesla created "Diversion Team" to cancel appointments (ArsTechnica)
I predict a massive massive lawsuit coming....
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You've gotta' be joking.