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Are we supposed to be upset that King and other celebs say they'll leave Twitter? They are likely all talk anyway but even if they did, do people care what they think that much?

yes, for a large percentage of twitter users, thats why they use twitter, to not tweet themselves but to quickly see what everyone/everything they are interested in is saying. thats why people follow them. thats the pont of it.


Being British im seeing a lot of people on my timeline, jobbing reporters, football people who have ticks, saying there's no way they will pay for it. and then its a shame as i know even if the journalist isnt one i know, if it has a tick its likely legit. If i see someone like that and there's no tick and i think they are famous enough to have a tick, then i know its likely a parody account.
 
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Twitter is very 2009 anyway. I’m surprised people still use it

It’s probably the most powerful forms of social media and one of the fastest ways to get information to a wide audience expanse of people. I don’t use it much myself, but understand it’s effect. You’ll be surprised how mainstream news is fed by information coming from platforms like Twitter.
 
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There was a tweet about this (cannot find it anymore) and people voted they will pay $5, $10 and $20/month. Elon liked the idea, he replied Interesting. Now it looks like he is making it happen. I love how he put it: "Make it happen by November 7, or you get fired." 🤣

Honestly, if people want to have a blue checkmark next to their name, let them pay.
And his “interesting” reply was in response to the overwhelming amount of votes for nothing. Can’t find the tweets because he’s deleted them. The internet never forgets, though.
 
Twitter is very 2009 anyway. I’m surprised people still use it
What’s great about Twitter is that it’s still so 2009. Same regular feed of tweets. And if you use a 3rd party app, there’s no ads. Just the regular chronological feed of tweets. Just as it was in the beginning.
 
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I think some people are still misunderstanding this rumored price. It is for a checkmark, one that will be pointless (more than it is already) if it can be bought. You'll still be able to post and read for free.
Musk is just pandering to a certain group of people who have turned the checkmark into some sort of status/class thing (you know the ones who complain about “blue check Twitter”). For them this is Musk sticking it to the others, that other class of people they don’t like. Meanwhile I’m seeing a lot of blue checks say they’re not going to pay a monthly fee for it and don’t care if it’s taken away. If this really is about revenue growth then this isn’t the way to go about it. But it is a way for Musk to be the center of attention on Twitter.
 
It's more about politics in that he can push the narrative that even regular folks who don't pay would get lumped in with the bots. He's already suggested that the only way to "save" Twitter is by getting rid of, or providing a way to separate bot from person. Once that narrative sticks, you'll start seeing more "verified" political folks on there being retweeted.. pushing whatever propaganda they so choose.

But again, the good thing about Twitter is that you can mute those people. And then continue on using Twitter as you did prior.
 
Musk is just pandering to a certain group of people who have turned the checkmark into some sort of status/class thing (you know the ones who complain about “blue check Twitter”). For them this is Musk sticking it to the others, that other class of people they don’t like. Meanwhile I’m seeing a lot of blue checks say they’re not going to pay a monthly fee for it and don’t care if it’s taken away. If this really is about revenue growth then this isn’t the way to go about it. But it is a way for Musk to be the center of attention on Twitter.
I don’t think Musk cares. For a blue bubble the $20 is a nuisance fee. Those who don’t want to pay it won’t, those that do…will.
 
Sounds like Twitter Hunger Games. Rolling code reviews checking work. Some managers and staff are working 12 hour shifts. 😱 That must be quite a culture shock for some. Managers stack ranking signaling the layoff hammer is about to drop on some.
 
It is not so much the "order" they hate, it is the person giving the "order" they hate. If someone they like was doing it, they'd be defending it.
You're 100 correct.
LOL. Nope.

If I was a skilled engineer at Twitter I'd be ignoring the idiot Musk and getting my resume listed asap. Plenty of non-toxic workplaces out there (unlike Twitter, my company is profitable and hiring).
Good. We agree then. If you don’t like it, leave. Start your own Twitter, lol
 
except a 7-day deadline for something like this with no notice doesn't really work in the real world either
I can’t count how many times a client has called me and dropped a steaming turd on my desk and said, “need this by the afternoon.” I’m a lawyer—these are week long legal projects I have to do overnight sometimes on deadline, or else the client will find a lawyer that can get it done. It’s the real world. If you can’t cut it, go make your own Twitter or learn to code lol
 
Musk is just pandering to a certain group of people who have turned the checkmark into some sort of status/class thing (you know the ones who complain about “blue check Twitter”). For them this is Musk sticking it to the others, that other class of people they don’t like. Meanwhile I’m seeing a lot of blue checks say they’re not going to pay a monthly fee for it and don’t care if it’s taken away. If this really is about revenue growth then this isn’t the way to go about it. But it is a way for Musk to be the center of attention on Twitter.

That's a lot of inferences about a business decision being actually about what one group thinks of another group emotionally.

How about Occam's Razor: Twitter is putting a price figure on a feature with non-zero value, as 1 stream of revenue.

(Otherwise, what are your ways to go about revenue growth?)
 
We will see, he succeeded in running a car company from near-zero and a space company.
Tesla already had its first car when Elon came into the picture. The early Roadsters were better cars, because that was before Elon ripped out most of the high quality parts. Tesla's cars never had particularly impressive build quality post Elon and the stock price is insanely overvalued. Elon's true innovation was building a cult of personality around the idea that his vision represented the future and exploiting the trust people put in him. But the future is happening with or without him. Those batteries are from a vendor. Being forced to complete this acquisition kicking and screaming was a massive L for his brand. At some point it's all going to come back down to Earth.
 
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Tesla already had its first car when Elon came into the picture. The early Roadsters were better cars, because that was before Elon ripped out most of the high quality parts. Tesla's cars never had particularly impressive build quality post Elon and the stock price is insanely overvalued.
Tesla hadn't sold a single car when Elon joined. (By the time the original founders got booted, they still had not sold one).

That original car was not their car - it was a Lotus Elise with a battery.

They sold a total 2500 of them, after 4 years in the market.

Under Musk they build the Model 3, selling over 1 million of them, and now the Model Y, both holding various records for highest car sales.

Who's responsible for the commercial success of Tesla, again? Please answer objectively, independent of your or my feeling about the character of the person in charge.
 
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Tesla hadn't sold a single car when Elon joined. (By the time the original founders got booted, they still had not sold one).

That original car was not their car - it was a Lotus Elise with a battery.

They sold a total 2500 of them, after 4 years in the market.

Under Musk they build the Model 3, selling over 1 million of them, and now the Model Y, both holding various records for highest car sales.

Who's responsible for the commercial success of Tesla, again? Please answer objectively, independent of your or my feeling about the character of the person in charge.
A Lotus with completely different internals. We all know Elon brought his fame from his other projects and helped market Tesla as the future. There's no debate there. He also progressively made the Roadster into a much worse car. That has been his strategy with seemingly everything besides spaceX ever since. Sell the future, deliver crap.

What records are you speaking of? The Ford F150 is by far the highest selling car in America. California is the only state with a Tesla anywhere in the top 5 sitting at spot 3.
 
A Lotus with completely different internals. We all know Elon brought his fame from his other projects and helped market Tesla as the future. There's no debate there. He also progressively made the Roadster into a much worse car. That has been his strategy with seemingly everything besides spaceX ever since. Sell the future, deliver crap.
We're not talking about popularity, or personal sentiment. We're talking about success of a company, which can be measured by commercial/financial metrics, which is an objective measure that dwarfs one persons subjective opinion of a car. (If many people find a product worse, they simply wont buy it).

In 2012 when the last Roadster sold, the company had not achieved a single quarter of profitability. They were losing money.

Last year, they earned 5.5B in net income.

If you owned a business, which product would you rather sell?


What records are you speaking of? The Ford F150 is by far the highest selling car in America. California is the only state with a Tesla anywhere in the top 5 sitting at spot 3.

Best selling electric car in history.
Best selling *EV cars in Europe.
Best selling overall cars, regardless of drivetrain, in various countries in Europe.

There's a big world out there.
 
We're not talking about popularity, or personal sentiment. We're talking about success of a company, which can be measured by commercial/financial metrics, which is an objective measure that dwarfs one persons subjective opinion of a car. (If many people find a product worse, they simply wont buy it).

In 2012 when the last Roadster sold, the company had not achieved a single quarter of profitability. They were losing money.

Last year, they earned 5.5B in net income.

If you owned a business, which product would you rather sell?



Best selling electric car in history.
Best selling *EV cars in Europe.
Best selling overall cars, regardless of drivetrain, in various countries in Europe.

There's a big world out there.
I get it, you're very impressed that Teslas were sold sometime somewhere. Everything I've said is true and an honest evaluation of his properties as they exist, and I don't care to argue about seemingly random car sale metrics. Teslas still drive their owners into stationary objects and Elon's response thus far has been to cost cut on sensors and lie to safety regulators. I don't want any part of his future.
 
Good. We agree then. If you don’t like it, leave. Start your own Twitter, lol
If you think Musk is the smart guy, we most certainly do not agree.

Based on what we have all seen of Tesla and Musk promises, he clearly has 0% understanding of engineering. Anyone in engineering management who thinks you can make something happen by a particular date by simply declaring it so is a clown. Anyone who thinks Tesla has high staff turnover because of "high standards" is delusional.

Competent leader: "The buck stops with me"

Incompetent leader: ""The employees goofed up. They missed their goals."
 
If you think Musk is the smart guy, we most certainly do not agree.

Based on what we have all seen of Tesla and Musk promises, he clearly has 0% understanding of engineering. Anyone in engineering management who thinks you can make something happen by a particular date by simply declaring it so is a clown. Anyone who thinks Tesla has high staff turnover because of "high standards" is delusional.

Competent leader: "The buck stops with me"

Incompetent leader: ""The employees goofed up. They missed their goals."

Musk is asking for maniacal effort and soliciting products ideas from engineers. I think he’s in a better position to know how to operate his companies.
 
I get it, you're very impressed that Teslas were sold sometime somewhere. Everything I've said is true and an honest evaluation of his properties as they exist, and I don't care to argue about seemingly random car sale metrics. Teslas still drive their owners into stationary objects and Elon's response thus far has been to cost cut on sensors and lie to safety regulators. I don't want any part of his future.

Try to talk about the subject, instead of about me and guessing what I might or might not be impressed by.

Here's what you responded to and argued against - in case you forgot:

We will see, he succeeded in running a car company from near-zero and a space company.

You claimed that:
  1. Tesla already had a car - except he didn't claim Musk started the company; nevermind the company had 0 cars sold.
  2. The roadsters were better car - except they barely sold any, and were not profitable with it
  3. "He ripped out high quality parts"
  4. "They didn't have impressive build quality"
I said that under Musk's ownership:
5. They sold a **** load of cars...
6. that turned the company massively profitable (highest margins in industry)
7. Whatever subjective opinion people have on the quality, is dwarfed by proven sales values

So exactly which and how do your points dispute his success in running a car company?
 
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Tesla hadn't sold a single car when Elon joined. (By the time the original founders got booted, they still had not sold one).

That original car was not their car - it was a Lotus Elise with a battery.

They sold a total 2500 of them, after 4 years in the market.

Under Musk they build the Model 3, selling over 1 million of them, and now the Model Y, both holding various records for highest car sales.

Who's responsible for the commercial success of Tesla, again? Please answer objectively, independent of your or my feeling about the character of the person in charge.
This: while Musk seems hard to endure personally, his managership seems strong.
 
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