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"operating in manual mode" aka someone was driving it, it was not self driving

Maybe you should highlight that part in the article's headline.
and that the apple car was hit, not the cause of both accidents.

This post is like the shock n’ aw evening news!
 
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I thought Subarus had a lot of tech safety kit and would have auto applied the brakes. Could have been an old one I guess.
 
Motto of tech fans before 2010: "Give me the best tools for my work".
Motto of tech fans after 2020: "Give me gadgets that do for me everything I'm supposed to do and decide for me about everything I should decide, because a computer is better than me for everything and, for the safety of Humankind I shouldn't be doing anything nor taking any responsibility, just watch series instead".
(between 2010 and 2020 is the transition, from tech users, to tech slaves, and finally, to people who don't want to be people).
 
Because on that day your car will not run. All cars have electronics, without which they will become the world's largest paper weights.
Erm, are you aware that there are always cars running, millions if not 100 million at any second of the day at speeds to get into accidents if there's no communication instantly.
Just saying.
 
This is one reason I hate driving now. I constantly have to look out for other drivers on the road. I've lost track of the number of times I've nearly been hit by drivers zig-zagging in and out of traffic, or simply not paying attention (or caring). I even saw someone on a highway reading a newspaper while driving. There are many people who simply shouldn't be allowed behind the wheel. And none of that will be fixed by autonomous driving until ALL vehicles are autonomous. I strongly doubt I'll live to see that era. But if a human is behind the wheel, there will always be far more accidents than if a network of computers is controlling the flow.
The solution for the problem of people driving in illegal ways (BTW: you forgot people driving while texting, as scary as common nowadays) is not to ban driving to everybody and consider humans as inferior to computers and to animals, because we are not (and no, a computer cannot drive better than a human, that belief is an ideological trend, and just not true). Therefore, the solution is to make Law enforcement strict enough to put into jail drivers who are using their cars in illegal ways and putting their lives and the lives of others in danger. And apart from jail, to make it very difficult for them to recover their license.
 
So the drivers were fascinated by the cars? I remember seeing a Google mapping car in CA, and was fascinated by it, distracted by it, but I wasn't driving.

Weird to think there could have been a picture from Google Earth of me looking at the thing, potentially pointing at it. (I'm sure there are other images?)

Trying to make cars like this less distracting might be a good idea?
 
One thing that I remember from my pilgrimage to the Mothership was the collection of pristine antique cars in the parking lot, and some of the really expensive exotic cars there too. (What's that car that has the engine under glass in the back? Niiiice car...)
 
Erm, are you aware that there are always cars running, millions if not 100 million at any second of the day at speeds to get into accidents if there's no communication instantly.
Just saying.
And your point is? Sure, some will get into accidents. Many others will come to a stop. Their circuits may or may not have been permanently destroyed. This has been true for decades. Why are you worrying about it now?
 
And your point is? Sure, some will get into accidents. Many others will come to a stop. Their circuits may or may not have been permanently destroyed. This has been true for decades. Why are you worrying about it now?
It does not have to be destroyed, emp will interfere electronics.
SOME accidents, more like millions of them.

I am not worried at all, I was just pointing out that a self driving system is not infallible, actually if what I say happens all hell will break loose, mark my words.
 
It does not have to be destroyed, emp will interfere electronics.
SOME accidents, more like millions of them.

I am not worried at all, I was just pointing out that a self driving system is not infallible, actually if what I say happens all hell will break loose, mark my words.
Again, this has been true for decades. Good luck steering your Expedition if the power steering fails. Why is this an issue now, if not to smear self driving systems?
 
Again, this has been true for decades. Good luck steering your Expedition if the power steering fails. Why is this an issue now, if not to smear self driving systems?
Bad example, you can drive a car easily when the power steering fails, especially at a bit higher speed, the power steering does nothing at higher speeds, it won't kill you.
Mechanical breaks still work on conventional cars if there's an empty, I have a hard time believing the same goes for a self driving car, EMP is instant, not oncoming slowly.
 
Bad example, you can drive a car easily when the power steering fails, especially at a bit higher speed, the power steering does nothing at higher speeds, it won't kill you.
Mechanical breaks still work on conventional cars if there's an empty, I have a hard time believing the same goes for a self driving car, EMP is instant, not oncoming slowly.

There are many examples where not having functioning electronics could cause death. Power steering can fail (as well as power brakes) as you go around a corner and you end up driving over a little old lady. Sure, you can steer a little, and brake a little, but that's not going to save her.

The fact that you're looking for the edge cases where poor steering won't cause a problem but looking for self driving to fail is highly suspicious.

So now the only real question is:
WHY ARE YOU DODGING THE QUESTION?
 
I would say that it's a coincidence, but honestly I feel like people have been driving even crazier lately so who knows. Everyone is a nutcase nowadays coked out on horse meds.
And I think there are a lot of people on the road now who weren't on the road six months ago.
 
That’s quite a dongle on the roof.

Regardless, whoever’s fault it is…I don’t know. Leave the driving to me. I don’t know when I’ll trust a hand-off autopilot car to take me anywhere above 5mph…and only if it’s in the vicinity only of other cars under auto-pilot mode. I don’t trust the human element amongst auto-piloted cars.

@MuppetGate, @AppleFan85!, @Lukkee24, and @EmotionalSnow, let me know as soon as you're willing to travel in an Apple-piloted car but where you're limited to sitting only in the back seat, or you can sit in the front seat but while wearing a blindfold. :)
 
@MuppetGate, @AppleFan85!, @Lukkee24, and @EmotionalSnow, let me know as soon as you're willing to travel in an Apple-piloted car but where you're limited to sitting only in the back seat, or you can sit in the front seat but while wearing a blindfold. :)
You've obviously never driven a Tesla. I trust it more than I do the human drivers around me.

The fact is that nobody wants to drive, despite those who will claim they do. They want to smoke, drink, eat, text, watch a video, talk on the phone, etc., and they occasionally like to steer the vehicle. They don't want to spend their time paying attention to the road, which is what driving is.

This is why other cars are nearly 11 times more likely to get in an accident: https://cleantechnica.com/2020/08/0...30000-miles-us-average-1-out-of-479000-miles/

The fact is that the machine is already better than human drivers, and it's just getting started.
 
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