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There are many 4k gaming monitors

Yes, because until very recently that has been the highest resolution video cards could output at higher frame rates. Now that the bleeding edge cards can do 5K at sub-200Hz and TB/DP/HDMI can support it, display OEMs are starting to play in that market.
 
Dell's 32" 6K is $2,499 @ 60Hz. No way will Apple match or undercut that, especially if Apple releases its 32" 6k @ 90Hz.

There was a time that Apple did. I remember the iPhone innovation undercutting high end smartphones back in the day while offer better almost everything. I also remember the first iPads coming, making so hard to undercut their price that all that was relatively cheaper was mostly garbage.

Apple magic.

There is little magic in providing the very best more expensive than anything else. That is expected.

So, who knows.
 
Dell's 32" 6K is $2,499 @ 60Hz. No way will Apple match or undercut that, especially if Apple releases its 32" 6k @ 90Hz.
And Asus' 6K is $1400. That Dell seems overpriced. Both are 60Hz and not microLED but they are basically bigger versions of the current Studio Display. It's pretty hard to justify $5000 for a low res miniLED backlight. If Apple were to update the Studio Display to miniLED and 90/120Hz and price a 32" version closer to $3000 that would be a more appealing offering.
 
Why would it? I mean I hope it does but I’m not sure what’s the link
Just that if Apple were to reintroduce iMac Pro, they may want to go for something larger than the old 27-inch iMac & iMac Pro size. As there would already potentially be a 32-inch display panel in the lineup, it could pull double duty.
 
I don't even know if my less than two year old M3 Pro Macbook Pro can even drive a 120hz monitor at 5k over thunderbolt 4 so i find it hard to understand why all the discussion is over having "only" 90 hz. The official specs page does not indicate that it can.
I guess it would be interesting to have but also since i don't use my mac for gaming i don't know what the need is. I guess it would make it match the Macbook's screen itself which would be cool. But now that I think about it I really don't need refresh rate hype pushing me to want to upgrade a Macbook I had planned to keep for like 7 years, since I am hoping to get the new Studio Display once it is for sale refurbished from apple.
 
And Asus' 6K is $1400. That Dell seems overpriced. Both are 60Hz and not microLED but they are basically bigger versions of the current Studio Display. It's pretty hard to justify $5000 for a low res miniLED backlight. If Apple were to update the Studio Display to miniLED and 90/120Hz and price a 32" version closer to $3000 that would be a more appealing offering.
That’s extremely doubtful as those monitors have abysmal HDR compared to Apple’s XDR prosumer HDR baseline of 1000 sustained nits and 1600 peak nits at Dolby Vision HDR.
 
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That’s extremely doubtful as those monitors have abysmal HDR compared to Apple’s XDR prosumer HDR baseline of 1000 sustained nits and 1600 peak nits at Dolby Vision HDR.
Perhaps, but they are still plenty bright and I don't think that the XDR's added brightness is worth $3000. It would be better if Apple is doing miniLED Studio Displays to bring out both 27 and 32 inch models and drop the XDR.
 
That’s extremely doubtful as those monitors have abysmal HDR compared to Apple’s XDR prosumer HDR baseline of 1000 sustained nits and 1600 peak nits at Dolby Vision HDR.
I can’t help but think Apple’s recent addition of the Edge Light function to their webcam controls is an indication that the upcoming monitors will have strong HDR specs.

All the way to 1,000/1,600? Don’t know. But more than the current Studio Display EDR. Which is already better than what some manufacturers label as HDR.
 
I have an ASD and an Alienware 27” 4K @ 180Hz gaming monitor and I prefer everything about the ASD (resolution, color, brightness, build)… EXCEPT for the refresh rate. The Alienware makes Tahoe look so smooth just like on ProMotion MacBooks. That’s the only thing that would get me to upgrade my current ASD, to get that silky smooth refresh rate. MiniLED, TB5, better camera/speakers, would all be nice to have but even with all that, if no 120Hz, I’ll pass (no reason the next ASD can’t be 120Hz for TB5 MacBooks and just drop down to 90Hz for TB4 or other bandwidth constrained situations).
 
I can’t help but think Apple’s recent addition of the Edge Light function to their webcam controls is an indication that the upcoming monitors will have strong HDR specs.

All the way to 1,000/1,600? Don’t know. But more than the current Studio Display EDR. Which is already better than what some manufacturers label as HDR.
Existing Studio Display is baseline VESA HDR not at all even acknowledged as prosumer or ideal for various pictorial content that more expects VESA HDR1000 for LCD displays.

The Pro Display XDR provides that at ideal means via 1000 sustained brightness and 1600 peak nits (~VESA HDR1600).

Totally on the table new Studio Displays keeps that baseline or finally adopt Apple’s legacy XDR baseline all their pro products have met.

A new Pro Display XDR that hopefully comes eventually will adopt the new Ultra XDR baseline that is the baseline before but with Tandem OLED. With Thunderbolt 5 it’s absolutely viable for it to have Pro Motion (240hz) AND 12-bit color.

Many hope it debuts Dolby Vision 2 support on Apple’s ecosystem.

Either way that absolutely validates $5000 and more in MSRP. That will fly off shelves within the creative professional segment of monitor buyers.


Professional monitors optimized for creative professionals such their they work on film and photos are accommodated this way that pay $2500+ for such monitors.

The budget 6K monitors are $2000 skipping this at the huge con not appropriate or ideal for such creative professionals working at a high-level or value longevity.

The space is inherently expensive for most average status quo price philosophies for a monitor for average consumers no different than that segment also having to concede spatial computing at and above status quo most cost about as much and more indefinitely.

For some reason it’s easier to accept such price realities for portable devices that inch closer to stationary/desktop equivalents that have to cost more if they’re at same quality:

A desktop-replacement-class laptop that’s still less powerful than desktops has to cost more.

A headset (i.e. Galaxy XR and Vision Pro) that is relative to a laptop and horsepower has to cost more.

A hybrid handheld a whole generation less powerful than same-gen stationary/home consoles has to to cost more or as much as those home consoles.

Similarly a monitor with sharpness akin to ideal sharpness for the human eye that debuted on mobile panels first to the convenience of manufacturers AND HDR rivaling reference monitors must cost much more than modest monitors.

That inherently will continue to be the case similar to SSDs inherently costing much more than mechanical hard drives.

Monitor manufacturers are well aware the average consumer will cope with subpar monitors and don’t mind as they sell many more high PPI mobile panels annually that correctly keep raising prices for such panels without nearly as much noise and pushback from mainstream consumers.

The mature high PPI panels with a device pixel ratio of 2 are used for budget phones while DPR of 3+ are used on flagship phones and foldables that have plenty of room still for increased margins and customers that will pay the higher prices.

For those looking out for their eye health, want sharpness parity, and creative professionals who need that sharpness to create quality content for such devices and commercial screens (i.e. 12K+ Cosm and 5K+ adult entertainment even), they are enough matching the amount of high PPI panels they’re willing to make while again prioritizing mobile panels.

To minimize risk, Apple doesn’t make Prosumer monitors at scale nor any monitor manufacturers while corporations and agencies being pretty steady and predictable buyers alongside creative professionals who buy them for home and freelance purposes.
 
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Would've been nice for one to be an ultrawide instead of offering two 16:9 aspect ratio monitors.
 
I have an ASD and an Alienware 27” 4K @ 180Hz gaming monitor and I prefer everything about the ASD (resolution, color, brightness, build)… EXCEPT for the refresh rate. The Alienware makes Tahoe look so smooth just like on ProMotion MacBooks. That’s the only thing that would get me to upgrade my current ASD, to get that silky smooth refresh rate. MiniLED, TB5, better camera/speakers, would all be nice to have but even with all that, if no 120Hz, I’ll pass (no reason the next ASD can’t be 120Hz for TB5 MacBooks and just drop down to 90Hz for TB4 or other bandwidth constrained situations).
I think 120Hz is probable, but 180Hz may be in the cards — Samsung exhibited a 180Hz 5K at CES — so there would be three tiers of support: 180Hz with Thunderbolt 5, 120 Hz with Thunderbolt 4 and Pro/Max/Ultra (and M4), 90Hz with M1-M2-M3. Just a rough guess, but the point is that it’s not just about bandwidth, it’s also about GPU.
 
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nothing wrong with brand loyalty when its earned, people can moan about motivation and quality etc, but by and large Apple is the easy choice if you are in their ecosystem, and can afford it (key), because their devices play well together.

But

I did research options before buying my ASD's. And I own cheaper (in comparison) 4k options (LG), but for me the quality of the ASD was its selling point. And let's get off the integer scaling thing, for me the 5k and the color accuracy is key for my photography. The 4k's don't do the job. And when you own camera lenses that are more expensive than a monitor you use every day... shrugs.

Not everyone is the same. choice is good. if people want cheaper options they do exist. don't blindly fault those that want something more.

Who’s faulting anybody?
 
And many clueless, entitled forum-dwellers will reflexively fall back on the “Apple customers are sheep” argument to mask their deep ignorance of Apple’s value proposition and business strategy, which have resulted in record profits and record customer satisfaction.

I'm am neither clueless, entitled nor deeply ignorant about apple the company or its products.

not sure why you have to get your back up so easily as if you've bee personally attacked
 
@Charlie Bonesx "Who’s faulting anybody?

??? Someone is...
..."many Mac users will blindly buy the apple monitor without even investigating other options..."

There aren't really any similar quality options to 'investigate', just different lower quality ones.
 
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There aren't really any similar quality options to 'investigate', just different lower quality ones.
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The Studio Display is an entry level prosumer monitor that Apple kicked their feet up with no serious alternatives that competed with it.


Their 6K Pro Display monitor enjoys the same benefits. With a price that aged like fine wine with how stagnant other monitor manufacturers have been like AMD not competing with Nvidia’s prosumer (x90 cards).



the price has aged like warm milk

5K is not a MacOS specific thing: Samsung and others now offer 5K OLEDs as imminent upgrades to status quo because it’s the minimum resolution backed by human-computer-interaction (HCI) computer science that enables a device pixel ratio of 2 and 200% scaling that is sharp on 27” panels.

let me clarify. it is a macOS specific thing that requires a 27" monitor to be 5k in order to have sharp text and ui elements. other operating systems do not have this limitation. this has nothing to do with the pixel density or the human eye and everything to do with the way macOS renders text and ui elements.

even having said that, running macOS at 2560x2440x2 on a 27" 4k monitor is plenty sharp for most people


The level of sharpness provided by 5K and 6K in 27” and 32” is mandatory for large panels of such sizes to match standardized high pixel density (PPI) established on mobile devices.

that's an interesting use of the word mandatory. besides, desktop monitors and mobile devices don't need to have the same pixel density for reasons that should be obvious, unless your parents never told you not to sit so close to the tv.....

This is objective fact.
what is an objective fact?
 
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