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Best MBP since Apple in the garage
 
HDMI is not a "legacy port". If it has a successor (it doesn't), it sure isn't USB-C. Good luck going to a client's or hotel's meeting room and trying to connect a USB-C cable to a projector.
Agree. Same for ethernet. Tired of people that keep saying it's a legacy port. There's nothing to replace it unless you count SFP style adapters for 10Gbps/fiber
 
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always get the computer you need when you need it. Because you need it. Don’t wait based on guesswork and assumptions about when the new upgrade will be released and then get depressed when it doesn’t come to pass.
I mostly agree with this, but there are times to not buy:

1. When a MASSIVE upgrade is months away
2. When current models are terribly flawed (butterfly keyboards of the past)

We're not talking about a 5% cpu increase a la intel the last 8 years.
 
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You have no idea what you're talking about. The M1 mac mini is "driving" the exact same number of Thunderbolt controllers as it did before. Except now Apple has 1 port per controller except 2. What they did NOT do is move to 4 controllers in the Mac mini so as to have 4 ports.

Is it possible that future Macs can have more? Of course it's possible. But here is a machine that went from 4 to 2. And now we're hearing the next MacBook Pro are gaining legacy ports INCLUDING worthless MagSafe. Why? Because they will have 2 TB ports, like every other M-series Mac thus far.

This is more silliness. Think about it - the intel macs that have 4 ports have two thunderbolt controllers, each with two ports that share a bus. In other words, the M1 macs, which also have two thunderbolt controllers, have two ports each with full bandwidth. The Intel macs, which have two thunderbolt controllers, have four ports, that if used simultaneously, allow for the same total bandwidth as the M1 macs (with each port averaging half the bandwidth).

So the only thing preventing apple from having 4 ports, even on the existing machines, is that if they did that they would have the same bus configuration and speed as the intel macs, instead of twice the guaranteed bandwidth per-port. There is no technical limitation - the bandwidth is already there. It’s literally just two multiplexers and two sockets that are missing.

But, as it turns out, apple is adding i/o controllers to “M1X,” so the new macs will have more ports AND they will have higher guaranteed bandwidth than the intel macs.

Here’s a reference that may help you:

 
Aside from bringing back MagSafe to the MacBook Pro, I want the Apple logo on the back to light up again
lol nooooo! Bringing back MagSafe would be going backwards! Apple's finally adopted USB-C across their Macs and you want them to bring back a power adapter that works with nothing else just because of a gimmicky magnet? Universality always trumps gimmicks! Plus there's adapters out there for buyers like you who love it no matter what, but don't deny the rest of us the USB-C holy grail! lol

And yes, while the gimmicky light-up logo was cool, it always felt a little cheap to me that it was just using the screen backlight. (If anyone knows - Does this mean it was bleeding backlight just for a gimmick or did it have it's own dedicated LEDs just linked to the screen brightness circuitry?).
 
lol nooooo! Bringing back MagSafe would be going backwards! Apple's finally adopted USB-C across their Macs and you want them to bring back a power adapter that works with nothing else just because of a gimmicky magnet? Universality always trumps gimmicks! Plus there's adapters out there for buyers like you who love it no matter what, but don't deny the rest of us the USB-C holy grail! lol

And yes, while the gimmicky light-up logo was cool, it always felt a little cheap to me that it was just using the screen backlight. (If anyone knows - Does this mean it was bleeding backlight just for a gimmick or did it have it's own dedicated LEDs just linked to the screen brightness circuitry?).

Dunno what you think 'gimmick' means but MagSafe is not a gimmick. Its purpose is literally in the name.


Also even if MagSafe does return, I don't really see much of a chance of them also removing USB charging. It'll be more like the solution on the iPhone 12, which has a MagSafe connection and a lightning port. If universality trumps gimmicks, then versatility trumps both.
 
This is more silliness. Think about it - the intel macs that have 4 ports have two thunderbolt controllers, each with two ports that share a bus. In other words, the M1 macs, which also have two thunderbolt controllers, have two ports each with full bandwidth. The Intel macs, which have two thunderbolt controllers, have four ports, that if used simultaneously, allow for the same total bandwidth as the M1 macs (with each port averaging half the bandwidth).

So the only thing preventing apple from having 4 ports, even on the existing machines, is that if they did that they would have the same bus configuration and speed as the intel macs, instead of twice the guaranteed bandwidth per-port. There is no technical limitation - the bandwidth is already there. It’s literally just two multiplexers and two sockets that are missing.

But, as it turns out, apple is adding i/o controllers to “M1X,” so the new macs will have more ports AND they will have higher guaranteed bandwidth than the intel macs.

Here’s a reference that may help you:

You don't even understand the significance of the thing you're pretending to understand. I already explained this to you, and you explained it back to me, which means you didn't even understand it to begin with (and likely still don't).

The M1X MacBook Pro's will have only 2 TB ports, and I look forward to you having to face that.
 
You don't even understand the significance of the thing you're pretending to understand. I already explained this to you, and you explained it back to me, which means you didn't even understand it to begin with (and likely still don't).

The M1X MacBook Pro's will have only 2 TB ports, and I look forward to you having to face that.
@cmaier is one of the most technical experts that post in these forums. You just don't know how ridiculous your statement makes you look.
 
You don't even understand the significance of the thing you're pretending to understand. I already explained this to you, and you explained it back to me, which means you didn't even understand it to begin with (and likely still don't).

The M1X MacBook Pro's will have only 2 TB ports, and I look forward to you having to face that.

I designed many CPUs. I know what I’m talking about. So let me explain it yet one more time. As proven by experiments with data available at the link I’ve already posted, the following facts are true:

1) the total USB-C bandwidth available for the M1 macs is the same as the Intel macs
2) on the intel macs that have four ports, that total bandwidth must be shared among four ports instead of 2, meaning that if you use all four ports you have less bandwidth per port
3) to make an M1 mac with four USB-C ports with identical performance as Intel macs with 4 ports, all that is necessary is adding the two ports - the bus bandwidth is ALREADY the same as the existing Intel macs.

There is thus no TECHNICAL REASON that even the EXISTING m1 designs cannot support 4 USB-C ports, and do so with identical performance to Intel macs that have 4 ports.

You have cited nothing to dispute these facts, and instead have decided to try and insult someone with a Ph.D. in electrical engineering and with 15 years experience designing many microprocessors by telling him he doesn’t “understand” USB bandwidth?
 
@cmaier is one of the most technical experts that post in these forums. You just don't know how ridiculous your statement makes you look.

He's no Jim Keller as much as he tries to pretend.

As for the rumored devices, I hope the new Macbooks have touch and pen input and lose some weight since they're so far behind the competition in those regards.
 
He's no Jim Keller as much as he tries to pretend.

As for the rumored devices, I hope the new Macbooks have touch and pen input and lose some weight since they're so far behind the competition in those regards.
Are you disputing that @cmaier knows what he is talking about when discussing things like CPU designs. Because if you are, I'm questioning your technical expertise. He is completely correct when he says that the current M1s have the same TB3 bandwidth as previous Intel TB3 Macs.
 
HDMI is not a "legacy port". If it has a successor (it doesn't), it sure isn't USB-C. Good luck going to a client's or hotel's meeting room and trying to connect a USB-C cable to a projector.
Right, but when I was able to travel prior to pandemic, I would always bring Apple usbc charger along with apple's usb-c multiport av adapter. they are all in my small travel pack.
 
I designed many CPUs. I know what I’m talking about. So let me explain it yet one more time. As proven by experiments with data available at the link I’ve already posted, the following facts are true:

1) the total USB-C bandwidth available for the M1 macs is the same as the Intel macs
2) on the intel macs that have four ports, that total bandwidth must be shared among four ports instead of 2, meaning that if you use all four ports you have less bandwidth per port
3) to make an M1 mac with four USB-C ports with identical performance as Intel macs with 4 ports, all that is necessary is adding the two ports - the bus bandwidth is ALREADY the same as the existing Intel macs.

There is thus no TECHNICAL REASON that even the EXISTING m1 designs cannot support 4 USB-C ports, and do so with identical performance to Intel macs that have 4 ports.

You have cited nothing to dispute these facts, and instead have decided to try and insult someone with a Ph.D. in electrical engineering and with 15 years experience designing many microprocessors by telling him he doesn’t “understand” USB bandwidth?
First of all, there can be any number of reasons that you personally are NOT aware of. There can in fact be technical limitations involved. Perhaps they had issues trying to run the split 2-port-1-bus config that they were using on Intel Macs. Perhaps there is a technical issue or design issue that prevents them from using 4 buses to achieve 4 ports.

There is a lot you have not considered, or won't consider, but that seems par for the course with your posts here. I also don't think you realize that having some out of date experience with CPU's is relevant knowledge here. Knowledge of Apple would be more relevant here, and the ability to spot patterns of behavior from this company. It is a pretty important feat...analysts make entire careers of it. Many of them have not yet gone on record about this, but you can bet they are all aware of it and are just waiting for more confirmation to start talking about it.

The next Apple Silicon Mac we're going to see is the 24" redesigned iMac. And it will have 2 TB ports instead of 4. Then this will continue with the new MBP's.
 
First of all, there can be any number of reasons that you personally are NOT aware of. There can in fact be technical limitations involved. Perhaps they had issues trying to run the split 2-port-1-bus config that they were using on Intel Macs. Perhaps there is a technical issue or design issue that prevents them from using 4 buses to achieve 4 ports.

You're speculating based on… virtually nothing.

There is a lot you have not considered, or won't consider, but that seems par for the course with your posts here. I also don't think you realize that having some out of date experience with CPU's is relevant knowledge here. Knowledge of Apple would be more relevant here, and the ability to spot patterns of behavior from this company.

And your "ability to spot patterns of behavior from this company" tells you that when they release one (1) SoC and replace low-end Macs with it, you can extrapolate what that means for all their other ARM Macs?

You still haven't explained why that would be. Yeah, it's possible there won't be another MacBook Pro with four Thunderbolt ports. Or a Mac mini with 10GigE. I just don't see much evidence for it.

It is a pretty important feat...analysts make entire careers of it. Many of them have not yet gone on record about this, but you can bet they are all aware of it and are just waiting for more confirmation to start talking about it.

You mean the analysts who "make entire careers" of saying Apple needs to license its OS?

The next Apple Silicon Mac we're going to see is the 24" redesigned iMac. And it will have 2 TB ports instead of 4. Then this will continue with the new MBP's.
Well, the current iMac also has 2 TB ports, so that's kind of moot.
 
meh, that is a waste, another thing to repair a connection light etc. maybe not too much but.
I never see that damn light when I use it obvious
I prefer a engrave thing!
It wasn't an extra light. It was simply a cutout in the case with a frosted plastic insert that let the screen's backlight shine through. Apple just replaced the plastic insert with a stainless steel one.
 
if they “flatten” the bottom of the case, as is rumored, don;’t see why it needs to be thicker. The edge may be thicker, but the overall machine can be as thin.
I fully support this design move. The "thin at the edges" look may support the illusion of the whole machine being thinner, but it's just that… an illusion. When things like electronic components and batteries are made in rectangular form factors, having a curved case is wasteful.

If they were stamping the cases out of sheet metal, a little bit of curvature is good to increase the strength of the outer shell, but that all pretty much became moot when they started machining the "unibody" MacBooks out of billet aluminum. The new iPad Pro (and Air) design language will allow more air circulation and battery density to be packed into a case that doesn't take up much more space or weigh appreciably more.
 
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