Two thoughts

[MadeByApple]

1. Many people hating Apple for the premium price of FaceID. Honestly that’s the price we pay for breakthrough tech. The auto industry bumps prices of the same car when new features and tech are introduced. Why do people expect Apple to introduce new tech at the same price???

2. Rumors about other companies ditching under display fingerprint tech in favor of facial recognition is dumb. I hope another company chooses to not follow Apple and rather push to perfect the new under-display-tech. This will provide the competitive edge we desperately need in the phone industry.

 

[eyoungren]

Honestly that’s the price we pay for breakthrough tech.

Then there should be no complaints that Apple is always slow to release new technology.

Because we're paying a premium for it when Apple does it that makes it new technology then.

Even if it isn't.

 

[Applejuiced]

You call that "breakthrough tech"?
You can go ahead and pay the $1000-1300 for it then.
I don't see nothing new or breakthrough about it that compels me to spend my money on it.

 

[eyoungren]

You call that "breakthrough tech"?
You can go ahead and pay the $1000-1300 for it then.
I don't see nothing new or breakthrough about it that compels me to spend my money on it.

Yeah, apparently it's breakthrough only when Apple does it.

Before Apple does it, it does not exist.

 

[iScone]

Before Apple does it, it does not exist.

Do you think Apple just took the blueprints from a competitor and put it in their next phone? Or do you suppose they may have been working on it for a number of years? Obviously using facial recognition to unlock a phone has been around, but there's no logical leap that says 'because it exists it means nobody else who does it could be doing anything new', which is your implication.

 

[eyoungren]

Do you think Apple just took the blueprints from a competitor and put it in their next phone? Or do you suppose they may have been working on it for a number of years? Obviously using facial recognition to unlock a phone has been around, but there's no logical leap that says 'because it exists it means nobody else who does it could be doing anything new', which is your implication.

OP is implying that we are paying for breakthrough technology.

Whether it's done poorly or well, how is it breathrough technology when it's been done before?

Breakthrough technology means brand new, first to do it - no one else has tried it or managed to do it.

 

[fred98tj]

Show me where it’s been done before (the FaceID) as Apple is doing it on the X.

 

[geoff5093]

FaceID isn't a breakthrough technology, it was implemented because Apple couldn't get fingerprint scanning to work under a glass display and it was it's fallback.

Show me where it’s been done before (the FaceID) as Apple is doing it on the X.

It's not using the exact same technology, but Samsung has face scanning and iris scanning that works very well.

 

[iScone]

Breakthrough technology means brand new, first to do it - no one else has tried it or managed to do it.

No it doesn't. Breakthrough can mean revolutionary new standards of existing technology. Touch screen phones existed before the iPhone but it's hard to argue that the iPhone didn't give the market breakthrough tech, for example.

We don't know enough about Face ID to know whether it meets such a standard.

 

[fred98tj]

The way Apple does it is breakthrough if no one else does it that way. And it’s extremely secure compared to Samsung’s face scanning (basically taking a photo). Do you know how Apple is even doing it ?

 

[Applejuiced]

A screen that's not symmetrical and has a big ugly notch missing on the top of a display that wraps around empty hardware space?
That would drive me nuts. Turn it sideways and you're missing part of the view and can't even scroll up and down since only part of that side of touch screen actually works.
Along with losing the home button and Touch ID and having to take hundreds of selfies a day to unlock the device and pay an extra $300 for that ugly failed beta experiment.
No thanks. Groundbreaking? it's a ridiculous idea that would never fly if Steve was still around.

 

[fred98tj]

But anyway too many people are getting their pants all twisted up over things.
Don’t like it, don’t buy it. Simple as.
[doublepost=1507431464][/doublepost]All the whining in the world won’t change what is.
Simple don’t buy it. Get something else and move on with life.
You can’t recover the time lost in life.

 

[Ralfi]

You call that "breakthrough tech"?
You can go ahead and pay the $1000-1300 for it then.
I don't see nothing new or breakthrough about it that compels me to spend my money on it.

Do you consider Touch ID v2 Breakthrough tech?

Perhaps a better term is "refined tech", as it wasn't the first, but made the original much better (or in the case of Face ID, promises to refine the original at this stage).

It's not using the exact same technology, but Samsung has face scanning and iris scanning that works very well.

'Not using the exact same technology' is pretty significant then, seeing as we're discussing some of the biggest pieces of tech in the world.

Even a slight change in tech could mean the difference in user experience.

Face ID promises to use alternate & more secure authentication processes. Let's see if they deliver on that promise before writing it off.

 

[eyoungren]

No it doesn't. Breakthrough can mean revolutionary new standards of existing technology. Touch screen phones existed before the iPhone but it's hard to argue that the iPhone didn't give the market breakthrough tech, for example.

We don't know enough about Face ID to know whether it meets such a standard.

Then we disagree.

I see breakthrough tech as tech that either solves a problem that's not been solved yet or breaks new ground.

Facial recognition is not new technology. Apple may improve upon it, but they aren't the first one's to do it.
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But anyway too many people are getting their pants all twisted up over things.
Don’t like it, don’t buy it. Simple as.
[doublepost=1507431464][/doublepost]All the whining in the world won’t change what is.
Simple don’t buy it. Get something else and move on with life.
You can’t recover the time lost in life.

Same old same old.

What you actually mean is "I'm right, you're wrong, talk to the hand because I don't want to hear it."

Well, this is a discussion forum. Discussion happens.

But for the record, I won't be buying it.

 

[MadeByApple]

Breakthrough is an appropriate description. Fingerprint scanners were common but it never really stuck until apple implemented it on the iPhone. Facial scanning had flaws because no one else was using 3D sensing.

But lets get back to my main point. When you buy a version of a car, the price is relatively the same until a major redesign. The X is a that redesign whether you like the design or new tech inside, it is a completely new version. And in almost every way, better than the previous iPhones which justifies the increase in price.

 

[lsutigerfan1976]

Then we disagree.

I see breakthrough tech as tech that either solves a problem that's not been solved yet or breaks new ground.

Facial recognition is not new technology. Apple may improve upon it, but they aren't the first one's to do it.
[doublepost=1507432163][/doublepost]
Same old same old.

What you actually mean is "I'm right, you're wrong, talk to the hand because I don't want to hear it."

Well, this is a discussion forum. Discussion happens.

But for the record, I won't be buying it.

They haven’t been the first to do anything a while. Now they sort of wait till something catches on from another company. And like other ppl here have said. Refine it somehow. It’s like their motto is, we weren’t the first to do this. We just do it better than the other guy does it.

 

[Applejuiced]

Not really, I just consider it a Touch ID evolved improvement.
It works better and faster than previous models.
I don't consider that groundbreaking tech.

Do you consider Touch ID v2 Breakthrough tech?

Perhaps a better term is "refined tech", as it wasn't the first, but made the original much better (or in the case of Face ID, promises to refine the original at this stage).

 

[MadeByApple]

Then we disagree.

I see breakthrough tech as tech that either solves a problem that's not been solved yet or breaks new ground.

I think you should look up the definition of breakthrough. It applies to new developments. a breakthrough suggests something is done (ie. FaceID) that pushes a category forward (facial recognition).

 

[eyoungren]

They haven’t been the first to do anything a while. Now they sort of wait till something catches on from another company. And like other ppl here have said. Refine it somehow. It’s like their motto is, we weren’t the first to do this. We just do it better than the other guy does it.

Exactly. Apple may make it better, but they are not usually the first.

Which means the correlation between higher price and breakthrough technology does not add up to me.

 

[Applejuiced]

Guess what? It's not a car. Your main point is pointless.
It has nothing to do with a car or being a transportation vehicle.
It's an electronic device.
Compare it with a new tv or a laptop.
Every new iteration of monitors, computers have a new and better design. They become smaller, faster, with more features and guess what else? Cheaper.
Many years ago laptops and big screen tv's where thousands of dollars.
Now you can get a nice 50" smart tv for under $400. A decent windows laptop for $300-400.
Again a smartphone is not a car.

But lets get back to my main point. When you buy a version of a car, the price is relatively the same until a major redesign. The X is a that redesign whether you like the design or new tech inside, it is a completely new version. And in almost every way, better than the previous iPhones which justifies the increase in price.

 

[iSayBoourns]

1. Many people hating Apple for the premium price of FaceID. Honestly that’s the price we pay for breakthrough tech. The auto industry bumps prices of the same car when new features and tech are introduced. Why do people expect Apple to introduce new tech at the same price???

2. Rumors about other companies ditching under display fingerprint tech in favor of facial recognition is dumb. I hope another company chooses to not follow Apple and rather push to perfect the new under-display-tech. This will provide the competitive edge we desperately need in the phone industry.

If FaceID proves to be better what competitive edge does under the screen fingerprint reader have exactly? Pretty sure it’s none. If FaceID proves to be better, that leaves TouchID to be inferior. Putting it under the display doesn’t make it any better, it just hides the sensor.

 

[MadeByApple]

Guess what? It's not a car. Your main point is pointless.
It has nothing to do with a car or being a transportation vehicle.
It's an electronic device.
Compare it with a new tv or a laptop.
Every new iteration of monitors, computers have a new and better design. They become smaller, faster, with more features and guess what else? Cheaper.
Many years ago laptops and big screen tv's where thousands of dollars.
Now you can get a nice 50" smart tv for under $400. A decent windows laptop for $300-400.
Again a smartphone is not a car.

Remember, you don't have to buy the X. You can wait for the price of the new tech to come down when an SE like version comes. Those TVs have tech that have been around for 5+ years, hence the lower price. If you want the newest and greatest TV, you'll pay a premium -- Have you seen the LG tvs that are like a sheet of paper? tens of thousands of dollars.

 

[Applejuiced]

No matter how good it eventually becomes you still have to point the camera to your face for scan and comparison.
By the time I pull the phone out of my pocket it's already unlocked with my finger and inside the home screen.
While I have it laying flat on my desk the camera points to the ceiling. I don't have to lift it up to my face to do things I need done.

If FaceID proves to be better what competitive edge does under the screen fingerprint reader have exactly? Pretty sure it’s none. If FaceID proves to be better, that leaves TouchID to be inferior. Putting it under the display doesn’t make it any better, it just hides the sensor.

 

[iSayBoourns]

OP is implying that we are paying for breakthrough technology.

Whether it's done poorly or well, how is it breathrough technology when it's been done before?

Breakthrough technology means brand new, first to do it - no one else has tried it or managed to do it.

Please point me towards another smartphone that offers face recognition that uses 3D mapping for accurate multiple data point and has the same security level as what’s on the iPhone X. Not to mention the other uses the data gathered by the 3D mapping can be implemented. No one has done that before in any smartphone. That is somethin brand new wether you agree or not. You’re just salty about camera bumps and obsess about using words like “fugly” over and over as an adult.

 

[MadeByApple]

If FaceID proves to be better what competitive edge does under the screen fingerprint reader have exactly? Pretty sure it’s none. If FaceID proves to be better, that leaves TouchID to be inferior. Putting it under the display doesn’t make it any better, it just hides the sensor.

I would say its edge would be a smaller notch or eliminate the notch entirely, that would give better aesthetic than the X. Or maybe utilize a dual authentication system to beat out the security of FaceID. Idk, I just want to see companies do things differently rather than follow one another.