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FaceID isn't a breakthrough technology, it was implemented because Apple couldn't get fingerprint scanning to work under a glass display and it was it's fallback.


It's not using the exact same technology, but Samsung has face scanning and iris scanning that works very well.

2D as opposed to 3D scanning.
 
Do you think Apple just took the blueprints from a competitor and put it in their next phone? Or do you suppose they may have been working on it for a number of years? Obviously using facial recognition to unlock a phone has been around, but there's no logical leap that says 'because it exists it means nobody else who does it could be doing anything new', which is your implication.
It's just a way to unlock my phone and apart from the novelty factor and coolness associated with staring at your phone in front of jealous eyes, it's slower than TouchID.
 
It's just a way to unlock my phone and apart from the novelty factor and coolness associated with staring at your phone in front of jealous eyes, it's slower than TouchID.

You seem to keep finding justifications for why Face ID is slower than touch ID, yet you were just saying in another thread that you planned on purchasing the iPhone X. So which is it and why so contradictory something you consider a "Novelty"?
 
There’s a reason why sources say android devices are a few years away from getting this tech right. It’s hard to do.
 
You seem to keep finding justifications for why Face ID is slower than touch ID, yet you were just saying in another thread that you planned on purchasing the iPhone X. So which is it and why so contradictory something you consider a "Novelty"?
I may be buying it but I just have doubts about this tech because it had problems onstage.
 
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1. Many people hating Apple for the premium price of FaceID. Honestly that’s the price we pay for breakthrough tech. The auto industry bumps prices of the same car when new features and tech are introduced. Why do people expect Apple to introduce new tech at the same price???

2. Rumors about other companies ditching under display fingerprint tech in favor of facial recognition is dumb. I hope another company chooses to not follow Apple and rather push to perfect the new under-display-tech. This will provide the competitive edge we desperately need in the phone industry.

If memory serves me correctly, Samsung galaxy had the new Iris scanner a few years back, OLED screens a few years back, always on display a few years back, larger screen and less bezels, etc. etc, but their prices are still lower than apples. You want to run that by me one more time OP.
 
If memory serves me correctly, Samsung galaxy had the new Iris scanner a few years back, OLED screens a few years back, always on display a few years back, larger screen and less bezels, etc. etc, but their prices are still lower than apples. You want to run that by me one more time OP.
Iris scanner does not work -roperly with glasses. FaceID will.
 
imagine millions of people receiving their iPhone X on the 3th of November and FaceID will not work convienent or properly.. Millions will return their iPhone X.

First I was very sceptic about FaceID, but now after a few weeks I am giving Apple the benefit of the doubt and just gonna try out my iPhone X for 13 days, if FaceID doesn't work in a way I like, just gonna return it within 14 days and continue with Plan B.
Untill I recieve my iPhone X there's no way I can judge FaceID beforehand. Just my 2 nickles! (or dimes, or cents...whatever I got left after ordering the iPhone X :D )

life can be so easy! ;)
 
Please point me towards another smartphone that offers face recognition that uses 3D mapping for accurate multiple data point and has the same security level as what’s on the iPhone X. Not to mention the other uses the data gathered by the 3D mapping can be implemented. No one has done that before in any smartphone. That is somethin brand new wether you agree or not. You’re just salty about camera bumps and obsess about using words like “fugly” over and over as an adult.

Lumia 950 and 950XL featured Windows Hello which combines facial mapping and recognition along with retina scan. Basically identical solution, if not better given the addition of retina scanning. I have tried the Windows phone and it worked extremely well. Any lighting conditions, sunglasses.

Apple is not a true innovator. They are what some would call a “close follower.” True innovations are risky. When the technology matures enough and the market is ripe for widespread adaptation, Apple joins in and usually blows everyone out of the water. They are extremely good at this...

But, yeah, facial recognition in mobile phones has been done well before Face ID and has been used precisely the same way - to unlock the device and authenticate other apps.
 
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i think you might just be better off not using the phone at all.

yup that's the response that comes up often....dont like it, don't buy/use it. Never said the phone is transmitting data secretly. Im saying there is a possibility that the full extent of what these gadgets can do is ever explained fully to consumers. And we don't know how exactly they can be compromised in the future.
 
At what point in the steps the unlocking happens is irrelevant. You still have to look at your device to use it. Wether you’re looking at it after it’s unlocked (in your example of placing your finger on the reader as you’re pulling the phone out of pocket) or if you’re looking at it before the unlock happens . At the end of the day it’s the same steps.

TouchID:
- pull out phone
- place finger on sensor
- look at phone to use.
(Steps one and two can be interchangeable in their order done)

FaceID:
- pull out phone
- look at phone
- swipe up

It’s in the documentation and in an image during the keynote that it will/can work at angles, such as flat on your desk.
The only thing is, if Apple had an engineer as smart as me, then we would get a device with Face ID that could skip directly into the home screen like you can on the current iPhones with Touch ID. Plenty of people are not at all interested in seeing the Lockscreen every single time they open their device. So let’s use our intellect to design a methodology wherein you can jump from the Lockscreen to the home screen without having to swipe up every single time:

If you set it to ‘Glance to open’ then a user either presses the side button or presses the display to make the device remain on the Lockscreen, while a tap of the display or raise to wake will always cause it to jump straight to the home screen after it unlocks. Simple solution that Apple engineers aren’t and never would be smart enough to implement. Don’t worry, I have plenty of other ideas they couldn’t possibly come up with, that are categorically superior to how they’re doing things.
 
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The notch would still exist if the TouchID were to be embedded under the display. You still need a spot for the front facing camera, proximity sensor, earpiece and mic. TouchID doesn’t change that.
If Touch ID was under the display Apple may not have pursued face ID. In which case the notch would not be there as all of the additional sensors would not be required. Other android OEM’s have made near bezeless displays (the x still has some bezel) and did not need a notch because they don’t have all those sensors.
 
My opinion and my use of the device is the only thing that matters when I make my decision to purchase or not;)
I told you multiple times I don't pick up the phone at all to type or do certain tasks. It sits far off to the right of my desk but you like to keep making excuses for face id.


That’s only your opinion because it doesn’t fit your logic.

But if you’re picking up your phone to type on the keyboard to reply to a text you’re bringing the device in view of your face and therefore would naturally unlock and be ready for you to reply. TouchID doesn’t magically remove the need to look at your phone to type a reply.
 
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The only thing is, if Apple had an engineer as smart as me, then we would get a device with Face ID that could skip directly into the home screen like you can on the current iPhones with Touch ID. Plenty of people are not at all interested in seeing the Lockscreen every single time they open their device.
fwiw..
the lock screen is shown every time you use touchID.

if you haven't noticed that before, it's likely you won't notice it when using faceID either.
 
I been doing it for years.
Takes a fraction of a second with any of my fingers on the home and it's unlocked in no time.
It just works great.
Not unnatural or impossible at all;)

everybody always says this.. but let's be honest here for a minute..

how often do you use your phone that way?

for one, it's completely unnatural of a motion to be picking a phone up -- upside down-- while pinched vertically with your thumb on one end.. (unnatural.. not impossible)

it puts your phone in a vulnerable state to be dropped and you subconsciously try to protect it during that type of motion.

but for real.. how often do you actually use the phone in the way you're describing in the argument?
i'm willing to bet that 99%+ touchID unlocks , when the phone started out in the user's pocket, happen once the phone is palmed and facing up..
ie- the same position the phone will be in for faceID.
 
fwiw..
the lock screen is shown every time you use touchID.

if you haven't noticed that before, it's likely you won't notice it when using faceID either.
No its not. When you press the button and quickly lift up your finger TouchID didnt get enough time to authenticate your fingerprint which is why you are shown the lockscreen or when you just want to see notifications and you use an unregistered finger. When TouchID authenticates your finger,it will unlock the lockscreen for you and go to home. You dont need to swipe up after it authenticates your finger. With FaceID, after it recognises your Face you have to swipe up on the lockscreen to go to home. This seems cumbersome imo.
 
Yeah, apparently it's breakthrough only when Apple does it.

Before Apple does it, it does not exist.

No, When Apple does it, it works. Have you tried the 2D facial recognition features that have been on phones for the past year or 2? Or even as recent as iris scanning on galaxy 8 HORRIBLE! Absolutely horrible. And while we can't really comment on how well Face ID works in the real world yet, I can almost guarantee that's it's gonna be 1000 times better then anything else we've seen to date. And it is absolutely breakthrough. In fact, other companies are at least 2+ years behind the tech used in the true depth camera system. http://bgr.com/2017/10/02/iphone-vs-android-camera-truedepth-face-id/
 
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fwiw..
the lock screen is shown every time you use touchID.

if you haven't noticed that before, it's likely you won't notice it when using faceID either.
Hint: that’s why I said ‘after it unlocks’. I’m referring to ‘Rest to unlock’ wherein you press the home button, and it instantly scans your finger and takes you immediately into the home screen with no other action required, and no unnecessary delay on the Lockscreen.
 
No, When Apple does it, it works. Have you tried the 2D facial recognition features that have been on phones for the past year or 2? Or even as recent as iris scanning on galaxy 8 HORRIBLE! Absolutely horrible. And while we can't really comment on how well Face ID works in the real world yet, I can almost guarantee that's it's gonna be 1000 times better then anything else we've seen to date. And it is absolutely breakthrough. In fact, other companies are at least 2+ years behind the tech used in the true depth camera system. http://bgr.com/2017/10/02/iphone-vs-android-camera-truedepth-face-id/
I don't deny anything you are stating. Apple improves on technology that already exists.

Doesn't, by my definition of the word, make it a breakthrough. Scan back through my posts and you will find how I am defining it. Apparently that's a different definition than what some are defining it by.
 
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Pull your head from under ground and realize that these are breakthrough technologies.

Several analysts have said that most of Apple's competition are at least two years behind Apple in terms of facial recognition and processors.

That's significant, even if you don't want to believe it.
 
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