U.K. Surveillance Powers Are 'Illegal', Rules E.U.'s Highest Court

The-Real-Deal82 said:
Let's be realistic here, they've been monitoring our internet usage for years. Implanting trackers and bugging our homes is a totally different topic altogether.
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Guess what, that's next. With the advent of the Internet of Things, it will be possible to bug our homes and track us through encryption backdoors.

The difference between our respective thinking is that you are willing to trust the government with power and I don't. The Founding Fathers of the United States designed the Constitution with the mindset that the government couldn't be trusted. The Bill of Rights was written to ensure that certain rights were enshrined in writing in order to protect the populace from the government.

The government simply cannot be expected to police itself. If it has power, it will use it to the maximum extent possible. There need to be strict boundaries put in place through laws and a well-informed populace. If the government wants added powers, it's up to the government make a case for it.
 
vvswarup said:
Guess what, that's next. With the advent of the Internet of Things, it will be possible to bug our homes and track us through encryption backdoors.

The difference between our respective thinking is that you are willing to trust the government with power and I don't. The Founding Fathers of the United States designed the Constitution with the mindset that the government couldn't be trusted. The Bill of Rights was written to ensure that certain rights were enshrined in writing in order to protect the populace from the government.

The government simply cannot be expected to police itself. If it has power, it will use it to the maximum extent possible. There need to be strict boundaries put in place through laws and a well-informed populace. If the government wants added powers, it's up to the government make a case for it.
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Well thankfully the nutty American government are a long way from me and I doubt anybody will allow bugs to be placed in their homes. Monitoring our internet usage is one thing, bugging and placing implants in our bodies is quite another.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
Well thankfully the nutty American government are a long way from me and I doubt anybody will allow bugs to be placed in their homes. Monitoring our internet usage is one thing, bugging and placing implants in our bodies is quite another.
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I don't think he/she meant an implantable bug within your body, but rather that one of the IOT devices will be hacked to act like a planted room bug. Think of the movie "Enemy of the State" and the bugs they used in that movie, except there is no need to actually plant a real bug; my understanding of his/her comment is that the government will simply hack your IOT devices, your phone, or your computer to serve that purpose.
 
manhattanboy said:
I don't think he/she meant an implantable bug within your body, but rather that one of the IOT devices will be hacked to act like a planted room bug. Think of the movie "Enemy of the State" and the bugs they used in that movie, except there is no need to actually plant a real bug; my understanding of his/her comment is that the government will simply hack your IOT devices, your phone, or your computer to serve that purpose.
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I understood that possibility but I still think it's highly unlikely unless you are a person of interest.
 
manhattanboy said:
I don't think he/she meant an implantable bug within your body, but rather that one of the IOT devices will be hacked to act like a planted room bug. Think of the movie "Enemy of the State" and the bugs they used in that movie, except there is no need to actually plant a real bug; my understanding of his/her comment is that the government will simply hack your IOT devices, your phone, or your computer to serve that purpose.
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That's exactly what I meant.

The-Real-Deal82 said:
I understood that possibility but I still think it's highly unlikely unless you are a person of interest.
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Keep telling yourself that. You ever hear about J. Edgar Hoover and COINTELPRO? How about the NSA. The Snowden leaks revealed that NSA surveillance activities that were of questionable legality if not outright illegal. These two things should tell you something about how the government operates. It's because of J. Edgar Hoover that FBI directors are limited to one 10-year term unless the Senate approves an extension.
 
vvswarup said:
Guess what, that's next. With the advent of the Internet of Things, it will be possible to bug our homes and track us through encryption backdoors.

The difference between our respective thinking is that you are willing to trust the government with power and I don't. The Founding Fathers of the United States designed the Constitution with the mindset that the government couldn't be trusted. The Bill of Rights was written to ensure that certain rights were enshrined in writing in order to protect the populace from the government.

The government simply cannot be expected to police itself. If it has power, it will use it to the maximum extent possible. There need to be strict boundaries put in place through laws and a well-informed populace. If the government wants added powers, it's up to the government make a case for it.
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Well, do you trust Google? AT&T? Facebook? Amazon? It is more likely that corporations will track us long before the Government - hell, it's happening already.
 
blackfox said:
Well, do you trust Google? AT&T? Facebook? Amazon? It is more likely that corporations will track us long before the Government - hell, it's happening already.
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Unlike the government, corporations like Google and Facebook don't have the power to arrest me.
 
About time. This illegal spying on all citizens has to stop. That is communist like, East German Stasi all over again.

I guess until whole leaks of illegal politician activity are leaked thru this they will just keep it running, ... Which is a shame for a free science and democracy :-/
 
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