Or there could be a single app on the phone that walks new users through the selection process of picking whatever apps they like, this Apple app - oh wait.
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U.S. Antitrust Legislation Would Require Users to Be Able to Delete All Pre-Installed Apple Apps [Updated]
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Good. Break their control. No one company should have this much power. They can present suggested apps to download at setup, with a built in search feature for people to find the exact app they want for each, if it’s not in the displayed list.
Just because it’s an extra step, does not mean it needs to be difficult. LMAO
It’s a corporation, not my friend. I won’t defend them.
Just because it’s an extra step, does not mean it needs to be difficult. LMAO
It’s a corporation, not my friend. I won’t defend them.
Your starting point is right, but more frustratingly it is worse than that. Having dealt with some younger staffers for a few members on the hill (including some younger members), they just have no understanding of technology and/or software. I was in a meeting two or three years ago (maybe two or three years before the lost year, I am not sure) discussing encryption. I was there as an expert through one of the government groups for whom I consult, so I was considered a friendly witness. The conversation went something like this (total paraphrase, not representing their real words):
Them: It is really important people, especially dissidents and democracy advocates in some places be able to protect their conversations. How does that work?
Me: There are a number of programs that use end-to-end encryption that can secure their messages or mail.
Them: Would that also protect stuff from hackers? People are always trying to steel data like credit cards and it costs the country a lot of money!
Me: Same thing would work for that.
Them: That’s great, are they hard to use?
Me: No, PGP works with gmail and Apple Mail, among others, also, Messages is encrypted and there are some other messaging apps that are encrypted as well.
Them: That’s great. Another problem we have is “Terrorism”! We need to be able to read all the messages from terrorists. We want a system that we can go in with a FISA warrant or a subpoena and have the companies decode the messages for us.
Me: You cannot have both. If you have a backdoor, first, every country’s government would make the same demands from the providers, and invariably, someone would either figure out how to break it, or a bad actor would bribe operations guy who is making $50,000 a year to get access to it.
Them: Well, the companies should not provide it to Bad Governments(tm) and they should just make it secure so that no one can break it!
Me: It is not possible. Companies do not get to decide which governments are good or bad if they operate in their jurisdiction. It is also not possible to prevent it from being broken or social engineered to get at the data, especially if there is a lot of value in the data.
Them: (Fingers in ears and stamping feet) lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala.
This no-preload thing is essentially what the EU did with the browser choice screen they made MS install. It was not that bad and experience because it was only one app, but it also had no impact. Everyone installed IE until everyone installed Chrome. The transition happened here at about the same speed without that process.
Yes, but the AT&T branded phones with still be Android, so Google will still be the master of that.
I do agree with how you phrased this issue. However, the issue I have with it. And I am sure many others will do. Is at what point did it become illegal to do so? If Apple or any company has the right to start a business in any and all areas legally. At some point it had to become illegal for them to enter a new whatever business. Which in all these cases did not happen. It's as if people just woke up to what was happening and felt that it wasn't right. Verses, what does the law state. If Apple did something illegal on the way to becoming this huge tech giant company worth trillions of dollars. This should have been dealt with at that time with a law that forbade them from doing so. But, as far as I know. Nothing exists to state such law exists. Only an opinion of a person or persons in a or many governments that have just noticed what's going on and saying they don't like it.
From what I can tell this would not apply to that. It applies to the platform vendor and only their apps. If Samsung decided to pre-install eFax because they got a kick back, it is not a Samsung app, so it would likely pass muster. It would probably only apply to Apple and Google (maybe Microsoft for Windows).
Where are the people in Congress who are techies and have in-depth knowledge on how these things work? Does no one elected know how computers and related devices work in-depth? Jeez.
im buying an Apple phone, I should expect an Apple apps with it.
Now multiply that by like 10 and each Apple default app would have the same screen. As an iPhone user, I would uninstall that version of the OS and go back to the previous if possible. New users would most likely not use it either. As it's just one more thing, one more thing, one more thing, ONE MORE THING to deal with when you just want to use the phone.
And even more with Windows if you take into account the amount of copies of Windows OS installed as "embedded systems" devices that are running Windows that are not computers, but have internal processing.....my $100k Soundcraft Vi7000 audio mixing desk where you can't touch anything to do with the OS, but you can crash it to a "blue screen of death" and discover that it is running some embedded Windows.
How would you download Chrome if Safari was not on the machine.
In the mid 90s the ISP I worked for at the time had a CD with software on it, are you suggesting we return to that type of environment. I don't have any way of reading a CD on any computer at home.
Does Apple produce any of those...or is this pure snark related to IAP?
What apps are excluded from this? Safari/Mail/Messages/App Store ? How do you migrate to a new phone?
Define useless, crap apps? Because I use almost all of Apples' preinstalled apps, and it would annoy me greatly if I had to download them, due to some government bureaucrat who doesn't know how to make a phone call.
Except that would not be an option. It would be like the EU browser choice screen. It would need to go app by app and show competing apps for each choice. To do it right, it would need to have the choices be randomized each time so the platform vendor would not have an advantage:
For one user:
Which electronic mail application would you like to install:
- Mozilla Mail Client
- No Name Mail Client (optional in app purchases)
- Zero Mailbox Mail Client ($9.99 lifetime or $0.99 a year)
- Microsoft Outlook
- Gmail
Which electronic mail application would you like to install:
- Microsoft Outlook
- No Name Mail Client (optional in app purchases)
- Gmail
- Zero Mailbox Mail Client ($9.99 lifetime or $0.99 a year)
- Mozilla Mail Client
Well the tire thing is pretty interesting as often the tires on the new car aren’t very good, but they fit the criteria of “long treadware + sweetheart contract pricing” and it costs the consumer a lot to replace them, but also a lot if they don’t in terms of accidents caused by poor traction and handling.
But how do you deliver a car without tires? Even putting on cheap placeholders makes no sense as they would be an environmental or shipping nightmare. And often one model of car has multiple OEM tires ranging from awful to mediocre and you don’t know which tire will come on that car.
Of course, this isn’t like the iPhone. Where there is no added cost to downloading google calendar, mail, etc. You don’t need to pay someone $100 to install it and then recycle a perfectly fine set of Appleapps.
My dad calls me two nights ago asking where the address bar is in FireFox [his browser of choice]
Messages not installed, can't get text for 2 factor auth
Safari not installed, how do you get another App Store
Phone App not installed, how do I call 911
The number of screens that I already have to endure installing Big Sur is just insane. Do I really want to go through twenty screens to set up my iPhone?
Before long Apple may be selling $2k iPhones. An iPhone Pro Max 512 GB will set you back $1400. I can imagine what the rumored folding iPhone will cost. Perhaps you mean why aren't all iPhones $2k? Are you aware that when you increase the price of a product you generally, though not always, see a decrease in sales volume? Is Apple prepared to sell a fraction of the phones they do today? Have you heard of price optimization?
Price optimization - Wikipedia
I'm not sure what the price of an iPhone has to do with anything here anyway..
The obvious answer is that Apple sets the terms at something they expect most developers will begrudgingly accept. Customers and suppliers were also buying from and working with AT&T before they were smacked down by the government as well. Acceptance of unfair terms, knowing that the alternative is probably not being in business at all, doesn't magically launder the aforementioned unfair terms into being fair terms. The reason regulators exist and are looking at Apple and others is to make sure they are competing fairly in the market.
Congress can't raise the taxes on billionaires, or make lobbying illegal, get everyone to vote, or provide national healthcare, or free education...but they have the time to f*** up my iPhone. Great. Thanks losers.
The analogy has been made countless times now and is just as terrible as it was the first time. But thinks for repeating it probably the 87th time in this thread anyway.
You can choose which apps you use today, and can delete many of those pre-installed apps you do not use.
Nope. You get what you think you want (will be curious how much you like having to go app by app for every single category of app that Congress - or more likely some unelected government official - includes in their list), every time you set up a new phone), at the cost of a great deal of inconvenience for the vast majority of users who want the default apps from the platform vendor.
It cannot remember your choices, as that would just mean that only switchers would see the dialog and it would entrench the platform vendors choices for existing users. It also needs to be randomized (that was the original requirement for the browser choice screen in the EU, but I am not sure how it works these days), so the one on top is not given an unfair advantage.