Car's can't come with software that they've built for the car to be useful. Those TVs in the stores, gotta go back to being dumb screens. When people think of hardware as the product and not the combination of software and hardware, we get into debates like this. I hope this legislation gets a little attention passes on from the headlines and those that are pulling for it can say "we tried" and get back to fundraising.
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U.S. Antitrust Legislation Would Require Users to Be Able to Delete All Pre-Installed Apple Apps [Updated]
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Just means that the apps have to be separated out from the base OS. On first boot it would ask if you want Apple default apps or not. 99% of people will select Apple default.
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I’m not talking about the government. Apple could just say, “Ok, then we’ll track and only sell 45 million in the US” because they feel that providing “Calendar” on the device is important enough to do that.
Is there a way to show our support against this bill? Why would any smart person think this is a good thing? If someone wants to use a different app they just do it. Nothing is stopping them lol. Whoever is coming up with this legislation is not in touch with reality. I suppose I should expect anything different from a politician. They never ask for the public’s opinion.
Apple would not be permitted to sell iPhones with its own apps installed under proposed U.S. antitrust legislation that was released last week. Representative David Cicilline confirmed the self-preferencing ban in a discussion with reporters, details of which were shared by Bloomberg.
Rather than pre-installed apps, Apple would have to offer other app options for consumers to download. Right now, iPhones come with a range of free Apple-designed apps from Messages and FaceTime to Calendar and Notes.
"It would be equally easy to download the other five apps as the Apple one so they're not using their market dominance to favor their own products and services," said Cicilline.
Preventing Apple from selling iPhones with its own apps installed would drastically change the iPhone's setup process, making it considerably less streamlined, more complicated, and potentially more expensive if customers were prompted to purchase or subscribe to third-party apps and services to replicate the functionality that Apple provides at no cost.
According to Cicilline, this would also apply to Amazon Prime because Amazon's ability to sell its own products over third-party products disadvantages some sellers.
U.S. House lawmakers last week debuted sweeping bipartisan antitrust legislation in the form of five different bills aimed at major tech companies like Apple, Amazon, Facebook, and Google. The bills would apply to businesses that have a market capitalization of $600 billion and at least 50 million monthly active users in the United States.
If passed, these bills would overhaul competition laws that have not been revisited for decades and would lead to significant changes in the tech industry. The House Judiciary Committee will review the five bills at a hearing next week.
Article Link: U.S. Antitrust Legislation Would Ban Apple From Pre-Installing Its Own Apps on iPhones
This has to be the dumbest thing ever! Lets get a phone with absolutely nothing on it! iPhones are very popular with the older generation because of just how easy it is to navigate, I can teach my 88 year old grandpa how to facetime and use apps, do you think I can do that on Android? Removing apps and requiring people to install them will practically be a nightmare for anyone that is not tech savvy.
That title II is not doing anything yet. the question is the infrastructure. When the carrier make their deals, they install all of their hardware/infrastructure. so, making them share on their wire should be interesting. Or do you make each town and city foot the bill for the infrastructure and then charge the carrier to use it. All of this tech is becoming a whole new challenge as we get more and more tach based. All of this could stifle progress and innovation at all levels, why should I invest crazy amounts of money in R&D when afterwards I will have to share it for free. I can't even begin to picture in the backend server side of iCloud and AWS.......how many hundreds of exabytes or even zettabytes they are supporting. At work we use AWS to store and edit from for our video content...we have 750TB and we are one client. MLB has over 11 petabytes and NFL has over 5 petabytes. Walmart is working on it, I see commercials for order online, delivered to you tomorrow
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I would be ok if this was a third platform after Apple and Google. It would be a phone with zero apps and you would have to type in a command line to install your App Store of your choice. Maybe have Facebook build and sell this phone.
While they are at it, they should pass a bill that obliges car makers to not include seats, A/Cs, tires, wipers, etc. in their car so the end user can decide which accessory is best for their vehicle.
We’re already getting there… Been on Mac for a decade now.
In my naivety I installed windows 10 home edition series edition edition for small homes (or whatever it’s called) on an old Mac for my 7 yo son.
His first computer so he could do a little simple gaming. Turns out they even removed solitaire and minesweeper! Now you have to download some add bloated version from the MS App Store. Jesus - what’s windows without solitaire?!?
It's not silly because I disagree with it. It's silly because you're the only person to have ever defined a market that way. The McDonald's/Burger King market exists only in your head and stretches the definition of what a market is to be utter nonsense. Let's discuss the liquor/potato chip market. It's a real thing because it's what I defined the market as..Of course you want to call it silly, because you disagree with it.It doesn’t change the fact that a “market” for monopoly/duopoly/whatever can be whatever a person defines it as.
What’s actually silly is to call something a duopoly that’s not. What is the interdependence between Google and Apple?
1. Existence of only two sellers (Neither Google nor Apple sells an OS, and there are more than two hardware sellers, quite a number more)
2. Interdependence: if any firm makes the change in the price or promotional scheme, other firms also have to comply with it, to remain in the competition.[further explanation needed]
3. Presence of monopoly elements: so long as products are differentiated, the firms enjoy some monopoly power, as each product will have some loyal customers
4. There are two popular models of duopoly, i.e., Cournot's Model and Bertrand's Model.
What is the interdependence? Here's one example:
Apple will cut App Store commissions by half to 15% for small app makers
The move is an olive branch from Apple to lawmakers over its App Store business practices, which have been under increasing scrutiny for the past year.
Google cuts app store fees for developers on first million in annual sales
Google's app store change will address some of the developer complaints around app stores and their fees, which have come under scrutiny from regulators.
Apple changes their pricing structure and Google follows after. That was too easy.
You just admitted you have to teach your grandpa how to use a current iPhone, so having the apps preinstalled now isn't helping him now
No, I didn't contradict myself at all, but thank you for restating the same point I made: Apple doesn't have the power to dictate arbitrary rules.
Right!! They talk about breaking companies up. We as consumers don’t care. It’s just other companies complain because they aren’t smart enough to make competing products. They simply just need to be better haha.
You really think it makes sense? You must still be mad because they took away the headphone hole.
it's not apples fault that their competitors are horrible. so we have to suffer because other companies can't compete with apple.
Yes you did, apple can run their business any way they want, it's the USA not China or Russia.
Yep it’s such a good service that Apple deserves 30% of 3rd party revenue for making it easy but it’s such a bad service that Apple’s entire user experience will collapse if a few of their own apps had to be downloaded from there
I have been following the topics for quite a while and I understand exactly why they do. Thank you.
Gee, the shareholders will not be happy with that. stock becomes a "sell"
Bloody Hell.
Why stop there, lets remove all the pre installed crud. When I walk in to buy a car it should come with no tires, no radio, no wiper blades, no oil filter or oil, etc, etc. Because damn it I want to be able to choose those things myself without the car manufacturer forcing their choices on me!
Why stop there, lets remove all the pre installed crud. When I walk in to buy a car it should come with no tires, no radio, no wiper blades, no oil filter or oil, etc, etc. Because damn it I want to be able to choose those things myself without the car manufacturer forcing their choices on me!
I'm not sure Timmy and Zuck are getting their monies worth. They really should have bought smarter politicians or found a better vendor.