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So do I, my own. If Apple includes a backdoor into every iPhone (which would be required incase they could somehow know who every future mass shooter who owns an iPhone is) than that includes mine. And any backdoor is just waiting to be exploited by an attacker.

first of all this isn't about future shooters, it's about present ones. secondly, if this illusion is making you feel safer - i'm sorry! :)
 
So then nothing is truly private? Just because its a common practice makes it ok for Apple to say we are 100% about privacy?
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I guess its ok if you are a terrorist using an iPhone but not a pedophile.

What? Is this about Apple or about building backdoors into every single piece of technology you own? This ISN'T just about Apple and what they do or don't. If the Govt. forces Apple to allow backdoors into an iPhone, nothing, not a single piece of legal hardware will be safe. And an endless cycle of compromised backdoors and who knows who looking at everything. Loading pictures of illegal content onto a cloud service isn't the same issue AT ALL. If I walk by your house and see your computer in your house and see something illegal on its screen (let's say a big picture window and a sidewalk outside) me reporting you isn't illegal.
 
Completely agree with the commenter on Reddit who said the government can hire Cellabrite or the other company to crack it instead of asking Apple to build a backdoor into their devices (which has an evil, ulterior motive for the greater population). They’re going to keep attempting this with tragedies until they get what they want, which is more mass surveillance.
 
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“Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."
― Louis D. Brandeis

I used to harp on Obama's extremely poor record when it comes to defending our civil liberties (mostly wide-scale surveillance powers), seeing these policies as posing potential dangers down the road when, for example, wannabe totalitarian nutjobs gained control. I didn't expect it to be so soon of course, but here we are. The most common response I received was "we can trust Obama." Sure, maybe that was true, but what comes later? My point being that we should never be satisfied with a government possessing powers that could be so easily abused. I enjoy mentioning that to them now; "Hey, how do you like those powers you trusted Obama with now? Hmmm? How do you feel? Hmmm?" They rarely even bother to respond. Maybe I should stop rubbing it in. I'm probably being a bit of a jerk about it. :eek:

there's gonna be a meter on your bed
That will disclose
What everybody knows
- Leonard Cohen
 
Just an off topic point, why do articles still name these disgusting individuals that go and shoot innocent people in the name of “god or war or culture”, don’t give these pieces of **** ANY celebrity, would love to see just first or second names used or just the mass shooter of “insert todays mass shooting locations name”... Don’t give them any celebrity. They are garbage. Take the guns away and stop feeding this.
 
If Apple were to put a backdoor into their devices just for extreme national security emergencies like this... would the government pinky promise to keep the key to that backdoor as safe as they kept the "US Cyber Arsenal" (aka "weapons-grade code") maintained by the NSA? If the NSA, arguably the most technologically advanced and capable agency in the entire US Government, can't keep their own files secure, how can anyone trust DOJ with a master key to half a billion Apple devices? We can't even trust the FBI to tell the truth on FISA applications.
 
I’m all for privacy. Except in cases like this. If Apple can unlock these phones then they should given the circumstances.

They can't, and that's intentional.

Therefore, the only approach is to request Apple put a backdoor into every iPhone made, which they won't do for tons of legitimate and important reasons that were all hashed out over and over during the San Bernardino situation.

And yet when Apple admits to scanning every photo uploaded to iCloud for signs of child abuse this is acceptable? What happened to privacy? It’s excused as saying Apple is committed to child safety. Sounds noble. As would assisting with unlocking a suspected terrorists iPhone.
So then nothing is truly private? Just because its a common practice makes it ok for Apple to say we are 100% about privacy?
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I guess its ok if you are a terrorist using an iPhone but not a pedophile.

Assuming the photo scanning story is true, no one is sitting around looking at your photos or invading your privacy. No one is flipping through billions of photos a day saying "hey, look at this silly photo Chloros took" or "I wonder what cardfan was up to here?". It's going to be an ML neural network looking for very specific, grotesque, and life threatening situations -- no other photos are identified, and nothing is tagged to your account.

I'm sure if they could come up with a way to magically divine that someone was about to shoot up a school, they would do the same thing.
 
first of all this isn't about future shooters, it's about present ones. secondly, if this illusion is making you feel safer - i'm sorry! :)
Uh, no. It's absolutely about future events. This was made clear in the San Bernadio shooting. The FBI didn't simply want to get into a single iPhone - they wanted Apple to create a method that currently didn't exist so that it could also be used on future iPhones. They literally wanted Apple to create a backdoor.
 
Uh, no. It's absolutely about future events. This was made clear in the San Bernadio shooting. The FBI didn't simply want to get into a single iPhone - they wanted Apple to create a method that currently didn't exist so that it could also be used on future iPhones. They literally wanted Apple to create a backdoor.

ok, i was replying with the post's title in mind.
 
first of all this isn't about future shooters, it's about present ones. secondly, if this illusion is making you feel safer - i'm sorry! :)
You clearly don't understand what Apple is being asked to do. Apple themselves don't have access to unlock your phone. The passcode is encrypted and stored locally. The government wants Apple to include a way to unlock a shooter's iPhone if they owned one. This would require Apple to include a backdoor in iOS that would allow full access to an iPhone without the user's passcode, which would threaten the security of all iOS owners. So no, not an illusion :)
 
You clearly don't understand what Apple is being asked to do. Apple themselves don't have access to unlock your phone. The passcode is encrypted and stored locally. The government wants Apple to include a way to unlock a shooter's iPhone if they owned one. This would require Apple to include a backdoor in iOS that would allow full access to an iPhone without the user's passcode, which would threaten the security of all iOS owners. So no, not an illusion :)

yea, i really think that exists though) i don't believe in anything being safe/private once it has been said or written)
 
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I’m all for privacy. Except in cases like this. If Apple can unlock these phones then they should given the circumstances.

And yet when Apple admits to scanning every photo uploaded to iCloud for signs of child abuse this is acceptable? What happened to privacy? It’s excused as saying Apple is committed to child safety. Sounds noble. As would assisting with unlocking a suspected terrorists iPhone.


I'm all for "insert agenda" buttttt... I wish people realized how bad they sound when they say this stuff. If you're all about privacy then you know there is no exceptions to the rule. Ever.
 
There is only 1 fact we know here is that Apple is a company and like all companies its intention is to make money. They dont care about anything or anyone but money. Privacy is a marketing term they use to lure the less minded. If the price is right.....nothing is private.
 
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Why do we never hear these stories about Android phones? 🤔
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There is only 1 fact we know here is that Apple is a company and like all companies its intention is to make money. They dont care about anything or anyone but money. Privacy is a marketing term they use to lure the less minded. If the price is right.....nothing is private.
Complete unmitigated 💩
 
I'm curious. How did law enforcement solve crimes before iPhones were invented? Old-fashioned methods like good police work and investigative skills? Too bad such methods don't work anymore!

My personal opinion is that this is nothing more than a smoke-screen to cover their attempts to strip away all privacy for every citizen.
 
You clearly don't understand what Apple is being asked to do. Apple themselves don't have access to unlock your phone. The passcode is encrypted and stored locally. The government wants Apple to include a way to unlock a shooter's iPhone if they owned one. This would require Apple to include a backdoor in iOS that would allow full access to an iPhone without the user's passcode, which would threaten the security of all iOS owners. So no, not an illusion :)

If I recall correctly, what the Government proposed to the US District Court during the San Bernadino case was for Apple to create a custom version of iOS that could be loaded onto the phone, without destroying any data, that would allow the Government to brute force passwords until they could gain access (and disable "erase the phone after 10 attempts"). As it is right now, iOS times out and doesn't allow the input of a password for a set period of time after you fail to give the right password a certain number of times.

The thought was that if Apple created a custom version of iOS that would allow this, it would inevitably leak and then the platform would be insecure.
 
I'm curious. How did law enforcement solve crimes before iPhones were invented? Old-fashioned methods like good police work and investigative skills? Too bad such methods don't work anymore!

My personal opinion is that this is nothing more than a smoke-screen to cover their attempts to strip away all privacy for every citizen.
Using current technology that was available at the time.
 
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I really hope Apple will resist this stupid push from governments. It’s not just in the USA, also in the Netherlands, UK and France I’ve seen politicians shout silly ideas.
the US government has at least some leverage by going to court etc. How would e.g. the Netherlands force Apple? Ban sales of iPhones? The would annoy at least 20% of their voters. And not the poorest or not-interested voters.

Can you provide us with a link to an article please, never heard about this, the dutch government actually asked the opposite what you are implying.

Dutch: Nederlandse regering wil uitleg VS over backdoor Apple, Google en Facebook
 
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