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U.S. Bans Tablets and Laptops on Flights From Eight Middle Eastern Countries [Update: U.K. Plans Similar Ban]
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They usually are allowed to play a bit more with explosive then you and I........
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Checked baggage typically are scanned by CT X-ray and are better at discovering dense and unknown objects as they create 3D pictures. However Li-ion batteries are just as dangerous now as before.
So it can be on a timer. Or remotely detonated from the phone you are still allowed to carry. So this ban doesn't really do much for security.
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I assume that someone with military credentials understands threat assessment.
There is a real world out there, alot of snowflakes, sheep etc.. don't understand the dangers and experience that a OIF, OEF US Veteran would have. While Americans are worrying about their lattes and their iPhone 8, people are trying to kill you everyday.
Then if something happens they complain that the government didn't do enough to protect them, as it happened after 9/11.
Most people don't realize that if you succeed one million times in stopping a threat - as it happens every day - no one will say thanks, and most won't even know that it happened. If you don't succeed once, everyone will want your head on a spike.
View attachment 692954 Simply a discriminatory measure. Next up is "don't buy at arabs" signs, cause it'll make the country safer.Or at least maybe you'll have to wear a sign that you're a Muslim.
Why is it discriminatory? A white middle aged American rich man one one of those flights is subject to the very same regulations.
They do seem to do all that stuff in Dubai International Airport, though. Plus you have to put all your carry-on electronics in a separate tray.
No, CT X-ray is not used for cabin baggage at any airport so far. And that is also one reason larger electronics are scanned separately. [/QUOTE]
I get the rationale behind security screening. I know that bombs have been hidden in shoes and underwear before and thus the need to remove shoes and for millimeter wave scanners. But this seems arbitrary to me. The threat of laptop based bombs has been known for a long time. I remember having to turn on my laptop (to prove it was a working device) in the security lines over a decade ago. Also, I've transited IST several times in the past few years (can't speak for the other airports). Security is tighter than in the US. There are multiple layers of screening, including at the gate before you board. I know they had an attack at the airport a while ago, but that was outside the secure zone. So in the absence of any specific threat (which DHS has not said is the case), I fail to see how this helps anyone.
So what's the thing they use for carry on and how is a CT scanner any better at detecting explosives within an aluminium macbook, for example?
Because CT creates a 3D view, the system can see it from different angles. Sometimes you may have noticed that your hand luggage are sent several times through the x-ray, and it is because it only see in 2D.
So I.e. foreign objects are more visible.
Read carefully. The article says that DHS agents have intelligence about this, and decided to create an "emergency amendment." In other words, there is a specific situation they have to look into.
You are right in saying that there are many precautions already, but don't forget that many bombs were planted/let pass thanks to the help of technicians or security agents. Somalia and Egyptair are the first two that come to mind. I think that the Pan Am 103 was a similar case in which the terrorists posed as security agents (and the bomb was in a cassette recorder). I'd rather err on the side of caution for a bit if DHS fears that this might be the case.
Not using an e-reader for a few hours is certainly less troubling than seeing the nose of the plane blow and spend the last three minutes of your life screaming in fear (unless you're lucky and the bomb is strong enough to cause a total destruction)
This is a stupid partisan post. None of these measures "keep us safe" it is all Security Theater to give you the SENSE of security.
I have worked at an international airport for a number of years. I can personally tell all the stuff TSA/Homeland put passengers through is utter ********.
Right now every worker with access to aircraft in every airport can leave secure areas and return to it without being checked. I and all my coworkers did it on a regular basis. You all have no idea how stupid all the crap they put you through is.
Enjoy the security theatre..... I hear it will be a long running show.
To keep it simple...flights TO USA from and using the following:
Countries: Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Morocco and Qatar
Cities: Amman, Cairo, Kuwait City, Doha, Dubai, Istanbul, Abu Dhabi, Casablanca, Riyadh and Jeddah
Airlines: Egyptair, Etihad, Emirates, Kuwait Airways, Qatar Airways, Royal Jordanian, Royal Air Maroc, Saudia, Turkish Airlines
Airports: Queen Alia International, Cairo International, Istanbul Ataturk, King Abdulaziz International, King Khalid International, Kuwait International, Doha International, Mohammed V Airport, Dubai International, Abu Dhabi International
Countries: Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Morocco and Qatar
Cities: Amman, Cairo, Kuwait City, Doha, Dubai, Istanbul, Abu Dhabi, Casablanca, Riyadh and Jeddah
Airlines: Egyptair, Etihad, Emirates, Kuwait Airways, Qatar Airways, Royal Jordanian, Royal Air Maroc, Saudia, Turkish Airlines
Airports: Queen Alia International, Cairo International, Istanbul Ataturk, King Abdulaziz International, King Khalid International, Kuwait International, Doha International, Mohammed V Airport, Dubai International, Abu Dhabi International
Not that I relish the thought of this, but unfortunately (if this is strictly about the batteries) given enough time and the right tools those mods can be made at firmware level at most any time.
This also makes me wonder, where are all the Samsung posts?
What is it with Republicans always blaming liberals? We don't have "guilt" as the reason for wanting refugees, we have god damn morals and a sense of humanity.
A "small" percentage of Muslims (those are radicalists/extremists, by the way) want to harm us. Just like a "small" percentage of white, conservative Christians want to harm Muslims - like the mosque shooting in Québec City.
Or are you going to reply to me and say that was Obama's fault?
2 questions:
1. If they're worried about security from those airports, then what them think they will reliably enforce this ban? To enforce the threat of stopping flights from those destinations, then US airports will have to screen every passenger's carry-on-baggage on arrival. Do US airports have that infrastructure?
2. If there is a theoretical 'bad person' in one of those destinations, who was planning on carrying a 'bad thing' inside electronics to the US, would they not now book an indirect flight, say via CDG, FRA, LHR, AMS, etc? Thus avoiding the restriction?
1. If they're worried about security from those airports, then what them think they will reliably enforce this ban? To enforce the threat of stopping flights from those destinations, then US airports will have to screen every passenger's carry-on-baggage on arrival. Do US airports have that infrastructure?
2. If there is a theoretical 'bad person' in one of those destinations, who was planning on carrying a 'bad thing' inside electronics to the US, would they not now book an indirect flight, say via CDG, FRA, LHR, AMS, etc? Thus avoiding the restriction?
Didn't know American marines are that dumb. What a stupid comment he made. I thought they were one of the bests....
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Hahahaha. Are you really a serving marine? Really? I feel sorry for the great American soldiers whose precious lives will depend on your "quick and logical thinking" and "intellect" one day.
1. There was a cabinet level meeting between the Trump admin and representatives of Saudi Arabia. It is well possible that the Saudis handed some intel, explaining why Dubai is in the list.
2. Because those rescheduling a flight will be certainly flagged for the next few years. It is also possible that the ban will create some noise within terrorist groups, hopefully leading to something.
"This is your captain speaking! I have some good news and bad news. The good news is that apparently we avoided a bomb loaded on our aircraft. But the bad news is, if you see between rows 20-25 there are smoke. One of the laptops in the hold have catched fire, and we are unable to put it out."
Yes, of course they have some concrete intel as to why they do it. But it does not necessarily make the remedy any good. If you instead of putting explosive inside the laptop can just make a hole in the battery and check it, it is hard to do much about it except ban completely anything containing batteries.
Neither you nor marine0816 have an explanation how laptops and tablets in checked baggage makes a plane more secure. marine0816 clumsily tried with: "You can more easily manipulate the device if you have easier access to it." That's cartoon logic. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a bunch of laptop and tablet batteries in a condensed and confined space poses a greater threat than laptops and tablets spread haphazardly throughout the cabin... unless, you know, every laptop and tablet was a bomb (shout out to bad TV plots), then all bets are off. But seriously, I find it hard to defend the logic that this is somehow safer. Even from a standpoint of accident prevention, gathering a bunch of Li-ion batteries together is stupid and reckless.
