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Didn't know American marines are that dumb. What a stupid comment he made. I thought they were one of the bests.... :(
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Hahahaha. Are you really a serving marine? Really? I feel sorry for the great American soldiers whose precious lives will depend on your "quick and logical thinking" and "intellect" one day.


You're not intelligent enough to dispute my argument so you pull a ad hominem attack. You can burry your head in the ground while the vigilant stand watch.
 
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Sure. But who knows how long that could take. This actions could have much faster results.

It doesn't take for long. Those middle eastern countries on that list take terrorism very seriously because it is a reality for them. Especially the Arabian gulf countries try their best keep terrorist off their soil because it messes with tourism.

The ban is BS. Like one poster mentioned , this ban most likely has to do with the ongoing whining US airlines have been doing about losing business to (particularly) Etihad, Emirates and Qatar Airways.

They tried to restrict their flight frequency last year and it failed. But now there is an isolationist is office who is willing to screw middle eastern airlines over.
 
It doesn't take for long. Those middle eastern countries on that list take terrorism very seriously because it is a reality for them. Especially the Arabian gulf countries try their best keep terrorist off their soil because it messes with tourism.

The ban is BS. Like one poster mentioned , this ban most likely has to do with the ongoing whining US airlines have been doing about losing business to (particularly) Etihad, Emirates and Qatar Airways.

They tried to restrict their flight frequency last year and it failed. But now there is an isolationist is office who is willing to screw middle eastern airlines over.

With you guys it's impossible to win. You start from the point of view that the gov't (especially this one) is just doing crazy things for some sort of conspiracy. You know, on 9/10/2001 you would've called a ban on razor blades foolish, or useless, or absent minded. Yet, it would've stopped an heinous act, and at least two wars.
 
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It's not yet clear if or how this ruling relates to the Trump administration's revised travel ban, which is currently being challenged by U.S. courts.

Yes, let's stick that part in to the article to get everyone talking.
 
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I am not an expert on bombs etc, and I do not have the intelligence that DHS might have. The same goes for you. It might be safer simply because they know how the device will be denotated, and in this case detonation can't be done by remote.
It might be safer because this might send a message that stops the terrorists from actually boarding the plane.
But the problem, as I see it, is that phones are still allowed in the cabin. So just put the bomb in the phone :rolleyes: And while a phone may be smaller than a tablet, etc., thus a smaller bomb, the terrorists will just send six people on the flight instead of one person.

This doesn't increase safety, and in fact increases risk, Li-ion batteries and all that.
 
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But the problem, as I see it, is that phones are still allowed in the cabin. So just put the bomb in the phone :rolleyes: And while a phone may be smaller than a tablet, etc., thus a smaller bomb, the terrorists will just send six people on the flight instead of one person.

This doesn't increase safety, and in fact increases risk, Li-ion batteries and all that.

The intelligence might specifically point to a certain screen size or something.
 
In all seriousness, I think it would depend on the quality of the intelligence they have. Certainly if one cancels a flight just to board another flight that goes through another airport there will be a red flag (I would hope so, at least). Only the most idiot of terrorists will carry on a plan that has been publicly busted by DHS.

And considering that the US already has all the info about all the travelers that planned to come to the US, he/she will be flagged the moment he/she tries to board the next plane.

But the terrorists aren't dumb, and are generally well-funded. Send Person A as expected but without the bomb. Buy tickets for Person B and route them through another airport. No flight cancelled, bomb still effective. Or just put the bomb in the phone.
 
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Smells like more BS from the camp of Dear Leader Trump...

But hey, who knows, maybe DHS isn't lying and there is "new intelligence" that makes this legitimately necessary.

Thanks President Trump for keeping us safe, everyone still has a pre-911 mindset. They're people in does countries that one to kill us, and liberals want them in here because of their guilt. Laptop batteries are turning into bombs, and just because you want to be PC you don't care if a bomb goes off here or there. Your hatred for our President and reality is suicidal. Not "ALL" muslims want to kill Americans, but there is a "SMALL" percentage that do, and that's just enough to harm us in the homeland for the second time.

Look at who issued (DHS), and especially look at all the countries targeted.
(Addition: Yes it is mainly at specific airlines and airports, but they are based in countries, so it is indirect targeting)

NONE of the countries are on Trumps "Travel Ban" list.
Additionally MANY OF the countries on this DHS ban are major Trump business partners with multi-million $$$ Trump properties.


Trump would have a briefing on this, but word is he does does not pay much attention to briefings, but he certainly did not create this order.
 
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I don't think someone who can't correctly spell a simple, 4 letter word has the right to question someone else's intelligence.

I think it's seriously impolite to jump at someone for bad spelling. There are issues like dyslexia, stage fright, or bad spell checkers and whatever reasons for not being able to spell. By your reasoning you could easily draw conclusions that conscription would be warranted simply by examining posts on a forum. And keep in mind that the posters might not have English as their first language.
 
The intelligence might specifically point to a certain screen size or something.
Yeah, I get that. The intel may point to specific things, or broad. We don't know. But I don't think this really makes anyone safer. For sake of argument let's throw aside conspiracies, protectionism, etc. and assume there's solid intel that someone is going to bring a bomb, concealed in a non-phone electronic device, onto a plane.

So, the terrorists are set and committed. It's happening. But the US bans the device from the cabin. This is now public info. The terrorists know it too. So they change plans--either hurry and get the bomb into a cell phone, and maybe buy more tickets for more people carrying bombs, or they scrap the plan for today and pull it off tomorrow after reconfiguring the bomb into a phone.

If anyone can show any other way that this works where the safety of the plane is increased I'm all ears, but I just don't see it. I think at best it makes the plane safer today, but tomorrow's flight is in danger.
 
With you guys it's impossible to win. You start from the point of view that the gov't (especially this one) is just doing crazy things for some sort of conspiracy. You know, on 9/10/2001 you would've called a ban on razor blades foolish, or useless, or absent minded. Yet, it would've stopped an heinous act, and at least two wars.
You can't "win" because if you think about what you're saying, you'd realize it doesn't make sense. This cabin ban? That's not how security works. It's how you incite paranoia, but it's not how security works. If you, yaxomoxay, ran a security agency and you put out this ban in the hopes of stopping some unspecified threat, what do you think this ban would accomplish? Would it stop the terrorist plans or would it provide them with a clear roadmap of where not to go to avoid getting caught? Would they cancel their plot or use cellphones or medical devices instead? Nothing about this ban makes us safer or slows any plot. If anything, it just makes it easier to do something else.

Security doesn't work when you announce to the world that, "Hey, here's a terror vector that we're going shut down... but only in a few specific areas... and only with a few specific devices." :confused:o_O There is absolutely no security advantage in that scenario. The exact scenario presented here. Is the expectation that the terrorist would go, "Welp, we should probably cancel the plans since they're looking at these specific devices and these specific airports"?

I'm honestly not sure how you see this as something about security for the citizens of the US. To me, this is political grandstanding. Looking like you're doing something without having to really do anything. Sure it plays well to the subset of Americans who see terrorists around every corner and under every rock. Those people typically don't critically question what they're being fed unless, you know, it's something that doesn't jibe with their everyone is out to get us vision of the world.
 
Thanks President Trump for keeping us safe, everyone still has a pre-911 mindset. They're people in does countries that one to kill us, and liberals want them in here because of their guilt. Laptop batteries are turning into bombs, and just because you want to be PC you don't care if a bomb goes off here or there. Your hatred for our President and reality is suicidal. Not "ALL" muslims want to kill Americans, but there is a "SMALL" percentage that do, and that's just enough to harm us in the homeland for the second time.

If it keeps you happy, then we should all be happy.

So that terrorist that you fear so much (you have an awful lot of fear for someone who uses "marine" in his username) will take a flight from Syria to New York with his converted laptop in the hold, and then he takes a flight to Los Angeles taking it into the cabin. Or maybe he buys a laptop in New York and modifies it, or picks one up from a helper who has one ready prepared for him in New York. Seems your beloved President Trump isn't quite as clever as you think.

Remember 9/11? All flights were internal flights. None of those flights would have been affected by this new ruling. So President Trump, you are a mug. Thanks for nothing.
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As a Marine, please explain how having these bomb-packed devices in the cargo hold makes anyone safer.
Seriously, with the amount of fear that this guy expresses, what makes you think that he is a marine?
 
Thanks President Trump for keeping us safe, everyone still has a pre-911 mindset. They're people in does countries that one to kill us, and liberals want them in here because of their guilt. Laptop batteries are turning into bombs, and just because you want to be PC you don't care if a bomb goes off here or there. Your hatred for our President and reality is suicidal. Not "ALL" muslims want to kill Americans, but there is a "SMALL" percentage that do, and that's just enough to harm us in the homeland for the second time.
lol so-called President Trump.

Dude, SEND NUDES. We want in on that.
 
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Look at who issued (DHS), and especially look at all the countries targeted.
No countries are targeted, there are only certain airports.The countries on the "Travel Ban" list do not have any direct or non-stop civilian passenger airline routes. And there are very few airports from the Middle East and North Africa with direct flights to the USA. The other airports who have direct flights in the region except the affected are those belonging to Tel Aviv (Israel), Baku (Azerbaijan), Addis Ababa (Etiopia), Lahore (Pakistan).
 
If it keeps you happy, then we should all be happy.

So that terrorist that you fear so much (you have an awful lot of fear for someone who uses "marine" in his username) will take a flight from Syria to New York with his converted laptop in the hold, and then he takes a flight to Los Angeles taking it into the cabin. Or maybe he buys a laptop in New York and modifies it, or picks one up from a helper who has one ready prepared for him in New York. Seems your beloved President Trump isn't quite as clever as you think.

Remember 9/11? All flights were internal flights. None of those flights would have been affected by this new ruling. So President Trump, you are a mug. Thanks for nothing.
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Seriously, with the amount of fear that this guy expresses, what makes you think that he is a marine?
His name and his avatar?
 
You know, on 9/10/2001 you would've called a ban on razor blades foolish, or useless, or absent minded. Yet, it would've stopped an heinous act, and at least two wars.

Have you actually parsed out the purpose and effects of this ban? Because I think it brings the charade of "Security Theater" to a new level of absurdity.

The US is banning the carrying of laptops, tablets, and other electronic devices in the passenger compartment of flights originating from a handful of Middle Eastern countries.

Presumably, the ban on electronic devices is to preclude the carrying of a bomb or other form of explosive device on the airplane. And, for whatever reason, the US Government is saying that security arrangements in these Middle Eastern countries are insufficiently stringent to preclude this happening.

Now, a bomb on an aircraft is a pretty terrible thing. If the bomb goes off, the plane will explode mid-air and all aboard will perish.

A tragedy - absolutely. But the death toll will almost certainly be limited to those onboard the aircraft.

But if your purpose is to blow up an airplane, killing all aboard - what difference does it make if you were to place your bomb in checked luggage, with a time set to go off X number of hours after departure, versus carrying your bomb with you, and detonating at a moment of your choosing?

Or does the Trump Administration imagine that would-be terrorists are going to board a plane bound for Washington, DC, with an iPad or Macbook packed with C4. They will wait until the precise moment when the aircraft is inbound for Reagan National airport, at which point they detonate the bomb, blowing the aircraft to smithereens, and the falling debris manages to land in such a way to destroy some vital symbol of US national imperialism?

That scenario seems implausible, shall we say.
 
There is a real world out there, alot of snowflakes, sheep etc.. don't understand the dangers and experience that a OIF, OEF US Veteran would have. While Americans are worrying about their lattes and their iPhone 8, people are trying to kill you everyday.

Since Alot is a small town in India, I wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of sheep there, but surely no snowflakes. And the biggest snowflake of them all is now president of the USA... A big yellow snowflake.

And strange enough, people are not trying to kill me every day. Actually, I never was involved with anyone trying to kill me. And seriously, it takes a bit more than big mouthing and being paranoid to convince anyone you are some genuine marine or ex-marine.
 
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If it keeps you happy, then we should all be happy.

So that terrorist that you fear so much (you have an awful lot of fear for someone who uses "marine" in his username) will take a flight from Syria to New York with his converted laptop in the hold, and then he takes a flight to Los Angeles taking it into the cabin. Or maybe he buys a laptop in New York and modifies it, or picks one up from a helper who has one ready prepared for him in New York. Seems your beloved President Trump isn't quite as clever as you think.

Remember 9/11? All flights were internal flights. None of those flights would have been affected by this new ruling. So President Trump, you are a mug. Thanks for nothing.
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Seriously, with the amount of fear that this guy expresses, what makes you think that he is a marine?

A wise man once told me don't argue with fools because people from a distance can't tell who is who.

Pre-911, nothing going on liberals will destroy America.
 
Have you actually parsed out the purpose and effects of this ban? Because I think it brings the charade of "Security Theater" to a new level of absurdity.

The US is banning the carrying of laptops, tablets, and other electronic devices in the passenger compartment of flights originating from a handful of Middle Eastern countries.

Presumably, the ban on electronic devices is to preclude the carrying of a bomb or other form of explosive device on the airplane. And, for whatever reason, the US Government is saying that security arrangements in these Middle Eastern countries are insufficiently stringent to preclude this happening.

Now, a bomb on an aircraft is a pretty terrible thing. If the bomb goes off, the plane will explode mid-air and all aboard will perish.

A tragedy - absolutely. But the death toll will almost certainly be limited to those onboard the aircraft.

But if your purpose is to blow up an airplane, killing all aboard - what difference does it make if you were to place your bomb in checked luggage, with a time set to go off X number of hours after departure, versus carrying your bomb with you, and detonating at a moment of your choosing?

Or does the Trump Administration imagine that would-be terrorists are going to board a plane bound for Washington, DC, with an iPad or Macbook packed with C4. They will wait until the precise moment when the aircraft is inbound for Reagan National airport, at which point they detonate the bomb, blowing the aircraft to smithereens, and the falling debris manages to land in such a way to destroy some vital symbol of US national imperialism?

That scenario seems implausible, shall we say.
I guess Trump (your boogeyman) is forcing the UK to do the same?

You should call the Attorney general.
 
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No countries are targeted, there are only certain airports.The countries on the "Travel Ban" list do not have any direct or non-stop civilian passenger airline routes. And there are very few airports from the Middle East and North Africa with direct flights to the USA. The other airports who have direct flights in the region except the affected are those belonging to Tel Aviv (Israel), Baku (Azerbaijan), Addis Ababa (Etiopia), Lahore (Pakistan).

Semantics.

Bottom line this will have very visible impact to travelers from these countries, and while not an out right ban will frustrate travelers.
 
Since Alot is a small town in India, I wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of sheep there, but surely no snowflakes. And the biggest snowflake of them all is now president of the USA... A big yellow snowflake.

And strange enough, people are not trying to kill me every day. Actually, I never was involved with anyone trying to kill me. And seriously, it takes a bit more than big mouthing and being paranoid to convince anyone you are some genuine marine or ex-marine.

Nice deflection of worrying about if I'm a Marine or not. You don't want to talk about people trying to kill Americans because your liberal guilt won't allow it. Too funny..
 
That will stop all business travels from those airports. There is no way
I will check my laptop period. Not only it will break while thrown by the amazing
baggage handlers, but if it gets stolen, I have sensitive information stored there...

Stop playing tough guy. I looked into your background and you do nothing that would require travel to any of these nations. You also don't do anything that involves truly sensitive information.
 
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