When there's an article in Science or Nature disproving climate change I'll switch sides. But so far there hasn't been a single article published that disproves existing science.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
U.S. Chamber of Commerce Reacts to Apple's Withdrawal Over Climate Change Policies
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
When there's an article in Science or Nature disproving climate change I'll switch sides. But so far there hasn't been a single article published that disproves existing science.
Get rich and save the world - or else:
http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/ciw-public.1785448941?i=2120396435
(iTunes U, Carnegie)
http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/ciw-public.1785448941?i=2120396435
(iTunes U, Carnegie)
Man, this thread makes me sad. Good on Apple. I'm glad they are political. Consensus of scientists? What do you think the IPCC is? Why would there be a conspiracy? The careers of a few climate scientists just isn't enough motivation. Alas, it will be no consolation to have accepted the science (albeit not 100%, NOTHING ever is) when we and our dear children all suffer together. 
How about both?
It doesn't have to be one or the other. Apple could do BOTH to really make a statement.
Having said that, I am pleased that Apple pulled out of an organization that, like the Republicans, hates the environment, since protecting it (in their "minds") would seem to interfere with the maximization of profit.
It doesn't have to be one or the other. Apple could do BOTH to really make a statement.
Having said that, I am pleased that Apple pulled out of an organization that, like the Republicans, hates the environment, since protecting it (in their "minds") would seem to interfere with the maximization of profit.
Hilarious! Apple and Nike complain about an agency stance against some fantasy greenhouse gases/climate link, but neither company has problems with poor Chinese kids working in a sweatshop with horrible conditions for 20 hours a day making their products. Come on, now that is funny.
P.S. On a side note, if the cap & tax bill passes, as more factories on U.S. soil shut down, they will shift to China where even more kids will get "jobs" (no pun) in run down factories that emit 10x as much pollution. Actions have unintended consequences...often worse than the original issue.
P.S. On a side note, if the cap & tax bill passes, as more factories on U.S. soil shut down, they will shift to China where even more kids will get "jobs" (no pun) in run down factories that emit 10x as much pollution. Actions have unintended consequences...often worse than the original issue.
I couldn't have said it better myself, glad I am not the only one who sees it that way.
While, every company should do their best to be a good neighbor to their community I find it rather half heated for companies like Apple or Nike to take the stance they take seeing as they don't actually have any direct employees involved in actual manufacturing of their products! The countries that produce their products will not adhere to any of the legislation that only the countries of the G-8 would be required to abide by! Contrary to popular belief in the "green" enviro-conscious crowd a country that has no manufacturing base is doomed to become a 3rd world country! When you take a look at manufacturing as a whole the number of people employed indirectly is quite staggering! Sooooo while Apple does a nice job with their products energy usage and packaging their move would really only matter if there were potential consequences to there bottom line by actually manufacturing here in the USA!!!
Best Regards........Ed
FF/EMT-I
Best Regards........Ed
FF/EMT-I
There is no Hollywood-backed, Gore-led, eco-lobby against child labor! Pay attention. Saving Polar Bears and fiction about melting ice cubes is trendy now and far more important than poor Chinese children in forced labor camps! Child labor is not du jour toward the current concern... Get on the bandwagon with bashing USA and patronizing China... Apple doesn't care about this nation! You should know that! If its products are manufactured by Chinese kids, in a Chinese nation that pollutes like none other, and has a bad Chinese record of human rights, who cares? We need to bash the US Chamber of Commerce because that's the real bad guy here!
Do you really think Apple cares about human rights, in the United States or China? It outsources its manufacturing jobs all the way to China, and allows that nation to add to world emissions with its product manufacturing. Then it ships all those products back here to this nation, adding little green eco-notifications to its Apple packaging that it is somehow concerned about the environment; all very trendy to the Starbucks coffee crowd. Human rights and child labor do not merit consideration here...
One has no relationship to the other. The "sweatshop" issue is old, and Apple has moved on it. But hey, far be it from me to prevent you from buying into the sensationalism.
You are aware that the speaker is in the chain of command; President, Vice President, and Speaker of The House. She required a larger jet for a nonstop flight to the West Coast.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/pelosi/jet.asp
You need to turn off Fox News now and then.
Hmm. How could you have missed the War in Iraq! Who created that unnecessary (and utterly destructive) crisis?! And who was obsessed with the so-called "War on Terror" in order to perpetually divert the public's attention from other failures?
Proof
This thread is proof of how far behind the citizens of the US are compared to the majority of the rest of the world in basic scientific understanding. I'd place a wager that more of them get their scientific knowledge from Rush Limbaugh then someone like Stephen Hawking.
This thread is proof of how far behind the citizens of the US are compared to the majority of the rest of the world in basic scientific understanding. I'd place a wager that more of them get their scientific knowledge from Rush Limbaugh then someone like Stephen Hawking.
News
UMmmm, terrorists? Not saying he handled it correctly, but they are a far more tangible threat than global warming.
If you would have read more of the posts, you would see that I do/did not support Bush. He is a Diet Democrat, anyways.
"
You need to turn off Fox News now and then. "
I don't watch any new network...
UMmmm, terrorists? Not saying he handled it correctly, but they are a far more tangible threat than global warming.
If you would have read more of the posts, you would see that I do/did not support Bush. He is a Diet Democrat, anyways.
"
You need to turn off Fox News now and then. "
I don't watch any new network...
oh... my... god...
The only 'body of evidence' against human involvement in climate change comes from oil-funded studies. And none are peer-reviewed.
Just stop and think for a moment... we've released millions of years of stored carbon into the atmosphere in less than a hundred years, and somehow its just cow farts and Reagan's polluting trees that account for the changes?
You really don't understand what the Chamber of Commerce is, do you?
Its not the mom-and-pop grocery store owners...
Its the single best example of the cancer stage of corporate capitalism.
Ownership of the government by corporations.
You cannot prove causality - it's a logical impossibility - you can only prove concurrence.
If you're waiting for someone to prove - or disprove - that man are responsible for global weirding/warming, then you'll be waiting. The only way the man-made cause could be "proven" (not "conclusively", but "most probably") is if we made significant changes to our emissions, and the climate did change as we expected; and repeated this process several times to prove it wasn't a fluke. That could take decades, or even centuries.
