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For people doing what they want without controls is why we are in a resession.

Apple will give up with Adobe for one reason... Apple can not dictate the kind of application it wants to run into the products THE SOLD. The product IS MINE, I PAID FOR IT.

If Apple keep doing that, tomorrow the next OS X will run only the applications Apple wants.

Look more closely at what you purchased and what you licensed (which is different than a purchase). You bought the hardware and with it comes a license for the software that runs the device. You do not buy software you license it, and with that license there are restrictions in the license agreement that define your rights to use it.
 
Good for Google but bad for Apple? Interesting, I wonder if someone from Google is leaving a few yellow envelopes with 100 dollar bills tied up in a rubberband at a few folks in the government.

And yes This is how it works, Bribery is normal in the course of business when you need something done.
 
Ya know since Obama took office, things have really changed. the government wants to decide how businesses are run - and if they do not like it; they will take control and rip it apart. this is a perfect example of socialism (all you have to do is hear Obama's speeches lately).

I bet none of this would be an issue, if our goverment was not in the mess it is in now, and wall street and the banks had not destroyed every chance for the decent business person.

While i disagree with the socialism part and i think MR obama is doing a great job. I agree with the wall street analysis. I think there is a hate in this country for people who have money and have earned it the right way.

I'm not wealthy by any means but just because someone is doing better than me. I don't feel like im entitled to what they have earned

I think people hate Apple for the same reason to. While alot of companies are doing awful financially. Apple is at the top of its game. And people feel i guess that they should lower their prices,etc because of job loss. Well too bad. Companies still have to make a profit and i don't see louis vuitton ,Bang and ofulsen , Mercedes , Bwm lowering prices so apple shouldn't either.
 
Apple puts far too much effort into quality control. They should not be allowed to put so much effort into keeping bad software off of their platform. If they do not let worthless crap like Flash onto their systems, others will. This will cause Apple products to be better than the others. This higher quality will remove competition from the market.

For the sake of competition, only buy worthless crap. Just say no to a good user experience.
 
Look more closely at what you purchased and what you licensed (which is different than a purchase). You bought the hardware and with it comes a license for the software that runs the device. You do not buy software you license it, and with that license there are restrictions in the license agreement that define your rights to use it.

ITA! People should really read the fine print. But American's are lazy when it comes to that. And BTW before anyone attempts to get nasty i am an american also.
 
Excuse me!?

First of all they charged me double for exactly the same hardware, made in exactly the same country (China) as what other manufactures would do.

Then they gave me only 1 year guaranty on it while all other manufactures (at least here in Europe) are giving me 3 years instead.

Then equipment started to fall apart as soon as it got out of guaranty brackets (my MBP power adaptor failed after 14 months - had to buy new one, my MBP so called SuperDrive doesn't read disks anymore, my MBP logic board died, admittedly due to NVidia issue but still - and my 20" Cinema Display is dead after only 15 months of use)

Then they lock me into their crap iDevice eco system literally forcing me to JAIL BREAK out of it (what a appropriate name for it!)

Then they limit my experience by not allowing Flash and therefore full internet experience...

Then they lie into my face with some crap "open letters" that kid of 10 could see through and rip apart (yes, I am referring to recent SJ letter)...

Then they impose recent draconian licence agreement rules...

Then they stage open attack on freedom of press by Raiding Gizmo office and taking their computers...


And this is just scratching the surface...


Being unfriendly to customers!?!?!

LOL :D


Indeed!

And I am not surprised if we see more court cases and similar investigations coming our way in near future...

Apple's been acting like a real cock - towards industry as a whole, towards partners, towards press, towards users and customers... and they deserve everything that came and is coming their way...


Last time I checked this is still America, and you don't have to endure any of those terrible things that they are DOING TO YOU. Just take your business else where. Just buy from all those other wonderful companies that treat you really swell and make you warm and fuzzy inside. I never understand people who repeatedly go back to the same crappy restaurant and keep whining about the crappy food.
 
Good for Google but bad for Apple? Interesting, I wonder if someone from Google is leaving a few yellow envelopes with 100 dollar bills tied up in a rubberband at a few folks in the government. And yes This is how it works, Bribery is normal in the course of business when you need something done.
Do you have any evidence of these allegations? Or is this just how you run your business and thus assume everyone does the same?
 

This is a really interesting and disturbing article. It adds more fuel to the fire of Jon Stewart's rant about Apple turning into "the man." And it makes me question my own loyalty to the Apple brand. Underdogs are often the ones who create innovation. Those at the top eventually become complacent, if not dictatorial. Apple has historically been so right about so many technologies and they've created amazing products. But I'm not willing to have those products limit or control what I do. Apple prided itself on empowering users to be unique. But perhaps that was all just a marketing ploy....
 
I guess its more about the developers making money. Or having the opportunity to make money somewhere else. If they lock in a dev, that dev will spend most of his time developing for apple. The dev. is a dev. They dev for platforms, they want no loyalty with one platform. They need to make money.

How is that fair to the dev? I think thats the point. Apple does have a track record of messing with developers..saying one thing and doing another.

I guess its like making air filters for cars. Say ford tells frahm hey you can make air filters for our cars but you need to use our tools and they cant fit non ford cars. Now frahm has that restructure their company to fit that. Also you cant make these filter universal to other non fords with adapters they need to be made a certain way. how is that fair?
 
Excuse me!?

First of all they charged me double for exactly the same hardware, made in exactly the same country (China) as what other manufactures would do.

Then they gave me only 1 year guaranty on it while all other manufactures (at least here in Europe) are giving me 3 years instead.

Then equipment started to fall apart as soon as it got out of guaranty brackets (my MBP power adaptor failed after 14 months - had to buy new one, my MBP so called SuperDrive doesn't read disks anymore, my MBP logic board died, admittedly due to NVidia issue but still - and my 20" Cinema Display is dead after only 15 months of use)

Then they lock me into their crap iDevice eco system literally forcing me to JAIL BREAK out of it (what a appropriate name for it!)

Then they limit my experience by not allowing Flash and therefore full internet experience...

Then they lie into my face with some crap "open letters" that kid of 10 could see through and rip apart (yes, I am referring to recent SJ letter)...

Then they impose recent draconian licence agreement rules...

Then they stage open attack on freedom of press by Raiding Gizmo office and taking their computers...


And this is just scratching the surface...


Being unfriendly to customers!?!?!

LOL :D


Indeed!

And I am not surprised if we see more court cases and similar investigations coming our way in near future...

Apple's been acting like a real cock - towards industry as a whole, towards partners, towards press, towards users and customers... and they deserve everything that came and is coming their way...


Go Get an Android. We won't miss you.
 
I guess its like making air filters for cars. Say ford tells frahm hey you can make air filters for our cars but you need to use our tools and they cant fit non ford cars. Now frahm has that restructure their company to fit that. Also you cant make these filter universal to other non fords with adapters they need to be made a certain way. how is that fair?

Well what your saying pretty much in that analogy is that Ford should provide a way for "Frahm" to go to it's competitors too?

Is it really apple's fault that the developers are not educated enough to work with more than one Eco system in developing apps? I think that problem is the developers problems and not Apple.
 
Just take your business else where. Just buy from all those other wonderful companies that treat you really swell and make you warm and fuzzy inside.
I don't think people are saying that HP or Dell or HTC are all warm and fuzzy, but they also don't act as exceptionally arrogant as Apple is these days. Also, if we keep letting Apple patent even basic ideas then eventually we may all be stuck either buying Apple products or paying Apple-like prices to other companies who have been forced to pay Apple royalties.

I never understand people who repeatedly go back to the same crappy restaurant and keep whining about the crappy food.
To be fair, this isn't really that similar to a restaurant. I still own several Apple products that I have no reason to throw away. During the time that I own them it's still within my right to criticize how Apple is treating me as an after-sale customer, just as it will continue to be my right to question their influence on the rest of the market long after I've stopped using their products. Apple has a lot more sway than the local greasy spoon, and they're going to get a lot more criticism when they make a move that hampers competition or hamstrings developers.
 
Excuse me!?

First of all they charged me double for exactly the same hardware, made in exactly the same country (China) as what other manufactures would do.

Apple fancies itself in the premium computing market where it competes against the likes of Alienware. Guess you haven't bought an Alienware lately. Not on the cheap.

Then they gave me only 1 year guaranty on it while all other manufactures (at least here in Europe) are giving me 3 years instead.

Then equipment started to fall apart as soon as it got out of guaranty brackets (my MBP power adaptor failed after 14 months - had to buy new one, my MBP so called SuperDrive doesn't read disks anymore, my MBP logic board died, admittedly due to NVidia issue but still - and my 20" Cinema Display is dead after only 15 months of use)

Guess you haven't bought a Compaq Presario 769 laptop. 1 year warranty. 2 bad power supplies in the first 5 months. Motherboard replaced at 13 months on my dime due to graphics chips dying. Need to replacing again cause the sound port is dead.

Then they lock me into their crap iDevice eco system literally forcing me to JAIL BREAK out of it (what a appropriate name for it!)

Might be wrong but I don't Android or Crackberry apps are compatible with iDevices. Haven't seen too many dudes with AR-15s telling people to Jail-break the phone. Being in Europe, guessing you've never bought anything from Verizon or ATT. Droid and iPhone are the only reasosn to get service. Otherwise, both companies are f**king messed up with fees overages, coverage drops, jacked up junk, etc!

Then they limit my experience by not allowing Flash and therefore full internet experience...

Then they lie into my face with some crap "open letters" that kid of 10 could see through and rip apart (yes, I am referring to recent SJ letter)...

Holy hannah. Adobe has flash for mobiles. Sweet! Oh wait. The Adobe site says coming soon.:( By the by, Adobe has had a decade to figure how to make Flash work reasonably well on all platforms. Why does it suck especially on non-WIndows OSes?

Then they impose recent draconian licence agreement rules...

see also: Microsoft, RIM, IBM, Sony, Corel, Adobe, EA, Maxis...every large software creation/publishing house

Then they stage open attack on freedom of press by Raiding Gizmo office and taking their computers...

That is true. Apple planted storm troopers in the local constabulary so it could swoop in and uncover the rebel plot to destabilize its empire. Oh wait. Apple has $40 billion USD. It could hire a mercenary team to blackbag the GIZMORON staff without leaving any evidence. There still is that problem of why would it want to recover the device in the first place. It's not the iPhone prototype is its property. It's not like failing to turn in the lost property and then selling it to a 3rd party is a crime under California law. It's not like being a journalist does not shield you from legal action if you're involved in the criminal act.

Somebody is telling me something...It was. It is. It doesn't. Oh my!:eek:

I'm going to shut my mouth before the Apple Cops try and get me.

And this is just scratching the surface...


Being unfriendly to customers!?!?!

LOL :D


Indeed!

And I am not surprised if we see more court cases and similar investigations coming our way in near future...

Apple's been acting like a real cock - towards industry as a whole, towards partners, towards press, towards users and customers... and they deserve everything that came and is coming their way...

Breathe, Brahe, Breathe. Let's face it. Most of us take what we get from Apple because anybody else would be much worse. Apple only hits you because it really loves your money. You, not so much.
 
Also, if we keep letting Apple patent even basic ideas then eventually we may all be stuck either buying Apple products or paying Apple-like prices to other companies who have been forced to pay Apple royalties

So pretty much what your saying then is that apple should create things and just let other companies use them for free? Because if so that's pretty crazy.

I suppose you also don't know about how motorola get's paid when ever their is a flip phone made. Because they have a patent on the design of the flip phone.
 
Well what your saying pretty much in that analogy is that Ford should provide a way for "Frahm" to go to it's competitors too?

Is it really apple's fault that the developers are not educated enough to work with more than one Eco system in developing apps? I think that problem is the developers problems and not Apple.

No..its not that they arent educated enough is that.. the devs are able to port their app and make money on another platform.

I guess apple is looking for dedicated devs that want to commit and going about it the wrong way. This is why they bought the ad company more encintives for the devs. But pulling the card where they say you have to do this way. If i was a dev i would raise my price on the app to make up for the money i would of made by porting it to Droid or webOS and selling it their.
 
So pretty much what your [sic] saying then is that apple [sic] should create things and just let other companies use them for free?
No, that's your straw man argument saying that. But thanks for playing and please try again.

I suppose you also don't know about how motorola get's paid when ever their is a flip phone made. Because they have a patent on the design of the flip phone.
Even though it may astound and confuse you, I also think patenting a flip mechanism for a phone is equally absurd and should not be allowed.
 
I guess its more about the developers making money. Or having the opportunity to make money somewhere else. If they lock in a dev, that dev will spend most of his time developing for apple. The dev. is a dev. They dev for platforms, they want no loyalty with one platform. They need to make money.

How is that fair to the dev? I think thats the point. Apple does have a track record of messing with developers..saying one thing and doing another.

I guess its like making air filters for cars. Say ford tells frahm hey you can make air filters for our cars but you need to use our tools and they cant fit non ford cars. Now frahm has that restructure their company to fit that. Also you cant make these filter universal to other non fords with adapters they need to be made a certain way. how is that fair?

First most cars have air, oil, and gas filters designs that are specific to a specific car platform or engine option and it changes occasionally by year. You may be able to get some that fit more than one manufacturer's vehicles but most of them are unique to a specific manufacturer and some even to a specific vehicle. And Ford does not give away the tooling to make these items to the after market manufacturers, they have to design and build the tooling for their manufacturing equipment themselves.

Second, Apple is not locking in a developer to their platform. The developers are free to develop for other platforms if they want. Apple may not be making it easier for them to develop for Apple's platform AND the other platforms but is that Apple's job? Next we will be forcing Apple to support Windows programs so that it is easier to develop for just one platform...wait isn't that what killed IBM's OS/2?
 
No, that's your straw man argument saying that. But thanks for playing and please try again./QUOTE]

You posted that apple shouldn't be allowed to patent their ideas. So if they can't patent their ideas. Then a company can come and steal those ideas and make money off of them. And apple would have no legal recourse.

So tell me if that's not what you said then what did you mean?
 
First most cars have air, oil, and gas filters designs that are specific to a specific car platform or engine option and it changes occasionally by year. You may be able to get some that fit more than one manufacturer's vehicles but most of them are unique to a specific manufacturer and some even to a specific vehicle. And Ford does not give away the tooling to make these items to the after market manufacturers, they have to design and build the tooling for their manufacturing equipment themselves.

Second, Apple is not locking in a developer to their platform. The developers are free to develop for other platforms if they want. Apple may not be making it easier for them to develop for Apple's platform AND the other platforms but is that Apple's job? Next we will be forcing Apple to support Windows programs so that it is easier to develop for just one platform...wait isn't that what killed IBM's OS/2?


If you were a dev. and spent all this time developing for apple and were not able to develope for droid or webos or even had to hire more staff..would you charge more or less for your iphone app?
 
Ya know since Obama took office, things have really changed. the government wants to decide how businesses are run - and if they do not like it; they will take control and rip it apart. this is a perfect example of socialism (all you have to do is hear Obama's speeches lately).

I bet none of this would be an issue, if our goverment was not in the mess it is in now, and wall street and the banks had not destroyed every chance for the decent business person.


Probably it's the price we are paying for eight years of Gerge W. Bush.
 
If you were a dev. and spent all this time developing for apple and were not able to develope for droid or webos or even had to hire more staff..would you charge more or less for your iphone app?

This happens all the time in the Window's world where game developers choose to develop for Windows over the Mac, and if they do put out a Mac version it is usually outsourced to another company. The developer has to make a choice in what platforms and programs to develop to support their business. If there is a large enough market to be gained from another platform then they are still free to develop for that platform internally or hire someone else to develop for it as well. Apple should not be expect to make it easier for anyone to develop for another platform, that would just be bad business.

As for pricing, I would charge what I though the market would bear for each platform I released it on. If I didn't think that the going rate would be profitable then I would not release it on that platform.
 
The only developers Apple will drive off will be the 3rd rate hobbyists, who will then flock to Android.
Frankly, I want Apple to start increasing the sophistication and professionalism of apps, and not caving to the demand for cookie-cutter, lowest common denominator app factories for use by hacks.
I look forward to a purge of the crap on the store asap.

If this is truly their goal then they need a better API.

I'm not merely talking about phone apps, but apps on the Mac platform itself. Apple is not the friendliest company for app development because they always seek to tie developers' hands behind their backs so that only they can fully utilize their OS. That is a far cry from the Windows API where developers are empowered.
 
You posted that apple shouldn't be allowed to patent their ideas. So if they can't patent their ideas. Then a company can come and steal those ideas and make money off of them. And apple would have no legal recourse. So tell me if that's not what you said then what did you mean?
Apple should not be able to patent extremely simple things, like using your finger against the screen to unlock the phone. That's simply too generic. As for the hardware itself, by all means they should be able to patent it within reason. That is the purpose of a patent and I think it makes sense to be able to benefit financially from substantially specific hardware developments. That's just a fundamental concusion of mine. Of course these days our patent office is so out of control that you can even patent our food and sue any farmers who are the unlucky recipients of wind-deposited seed through no fault of their own.
 
Apple shouldn't be able to patent software in my view. That's just a fundamental view of mine, just as I don't think companies should be able to patent my genome. Also, Apple should not be able to patent extremely simple things, like using your finger against the screen to unlock the phone. That's simply too generic. As for the hardware itself, by all means they should be able to patent it within reason. That is the purpose of a patent and I think it makes sense to be able to benefit from substantially specific developments.

Thanks for elaborating for me. And i agree about the Genome although i feel that society will get to a point to where they may offer free stuff for genome access.

But let's say for a example Microsoft wasn't able to patent Windows. You would end of having clones of everything down to the Win32 Kernal.

So someone took time to design the Iphone OS interface and i just think it would be a slap in face for someone to come along and just take someone's idea.

It sounds to me like you don't have a problem with SW being patented unless it's apple's or do you just want patents on No SW for any company?
 
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