U.S. Government Calls Apple's Opposition to iPhone Unlocking Order a 'Diversion,' Says Fears Are 'Overblown'

[Benjamin Frost]

She despises the Internet and has zero social media accounts. She has 1 email account and no cell phone.

Good for her.

We need more like her, if I may say so.

 

[PBRsg]

The government only has themselves to blame for all this hooplah. Requesting Apple help them decrypt the iPhone to retrieve evidence off it isn't going above and beyond any set laws. But at the same time, you can't help but feel they've poisoned the well of goodwill with all the demands for backdoors and common encryption bypasses they made beforehand.

It'd be like the police bullying a local locksmith, demanding he make a master key for them that unlocks every house and business in the city. They make a big deal out of it, deride the guy on TV, and generally make asses of themselves. Then one day they lose the keys to an important crime scene...

The TSA keys that open all luggage locks have already been published online.
[doublepost=1457938886][/doublepost]Do these politicians have ANY idea of how much they are hated these days? Trump was not created in a vacuum.

 

[JamesPDX]

According to YouTube pigs can fly and iPhones bend by themselves....

Don't forget Uri Geller. He's a master of spoon-bending, and he doesn't even work for NASA! OMG! FFS!
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Anyone read DoJ's filing yesterday? Let me summarize it for you.

If you are a small business owner: send every trade secret you have to the FBI right now. Hire a few people full time so that your product can change to what the FBI wants it to be at any given moment. DO NOT, and I repeat DO NOT, put covers (if physical) or passwords (if software) on anything; absolutely use transparent glass for any product you have because not doing so, means that you purposefully and willfully made it hard for the FBI to investigate a potential future crime after-the-fact and by doing so you are obstructing justice and WILL go to prison. Stamp this Apple shaped template on any business as you wish since that is the request.

Oh and if you are a terrorist, just go ahead and use a different app other than iMessages on your iPhones. Something that uses asymmetrical encryption that has quick expiration. That's it. You really don't have to do anything else different. You don't even have buy a different phone either. That's not necessary unless the iPhone 7 is really cool. Either way, just the one app really. Oh and if you absolutely need voice, I mean really? But OK, if you do need it, go ahead and buy a burner phone like you used to. I know it's not as cool as the iPhone, but it still works.

And Apple, sorry, by losing you lost money, you lost iOS, you will lose a little over 50% trust of all consumers who will feel like an iPhone is actually a snoop phone, you lost the trust of all enterprises, you will most likely not be able to sell in many countries. And in return, you have done NO good and gained nothing. No crimes were prevented, no crimes were solved. The criminals that are smart did not take pictures and leave them on their phone, or left notes to themselves in the note app about what they were going to do. They definitely did not have "my buddy in crime" in the contacts app. They deleted the iMessages of any damning evidence. And they definitely turned off their backups before planning the crime. I get that turning off location service is worthless since all carriers can pinpoint your phone anyway, that leaves absolutely no useful things on the phone. Oh and if you were hoping to convict some of the dumber criminals, sorry, those guys are already in prison because they posted their sh__ on facebook and twitted the crime as it was happening.

Which leads me to the question for this forum... Comey looks stupid, or is he playing stupid? I mean in the congressional hearing, he didn't even take the time to read the brief when asked questions. Even every congressmen took the time to google the difference between "key" and "signing key". This moron did not, and just responded, "that's not my area of expertise"–The guy that is asking the key to the world has no idea what security actually is(<--- a little dramatic effect there). He can't really naively think that this will stop terrorists or that phone will have any useful information on it. Even if he did, wouldn't secretly working with Apple and the NSA should have been the way to go? I mean the guy was labeled a terrorist after all and this is NSA's problem too, not just the FBI's.

So what's the real plan? Is the FBI and the government just stupid (I doubt this) or is there a bigger picture in play here? Keep in mind, I'm not talking about the computer illiterate hillbilly morons that are writing that they will "put Cook in prison unless he unlocks the magic box that has buttons". A foot in the door, I get it. But to what end? Just to be able to go into any private company and boss them around and tell them what to do, and what products to make and how to make them? For all the government conspiracy nuts, sure. FBI doing NSA's dirty work because they lost a lot of their ability to snoop? Maybe...

Does anyone else think that this stunt is actually to slow down the big Apple Behemoth? If Apple loses, they will shrink down and lose billions. I actually estimate about 20%. But that's risky, because if they win, they will grow even bigger. I know it's an insane reach, just a theory and just wondering if anyone else thought about it that way.

And everybody will just buy burners and re-watch The Wire about 10 times until they get it right. Ahh, this whole thing just makes me feel tired all over.

 

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Prosecutors representing the United States government today filed another document (via The Verge) to support the motion to compel Apple to unlock the iPhone used by San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook, calling the original order a "modest" request that would not result in a universal "master key" and dismissing many of Apple's legal arguments.

The document says Apple's rhetoric is false and "corrosive of the very institutions that are best able to safeguard our liberty and our rights." Apple's efforts, and those of its supporters, to highlight the wider issues the order could have on encryption, are a "diversion," says the government.

Unsurprisingly, the government argues that the All Writs Act does, in fact, give the courts the power to compel Apple to unlock the iPhone, disagreeing with Apple's argument that Congress' choice not to expand on the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act serves as evidence Congress has limited the assistance companies must provide to law enforcement.

It also walks through several prior court cases in an effort to challenge many of Apple's claims, including that no company has been conscripted to produce code for the government and that it would be an undue burden for Apple to create new software for the FBI.

Apple is accused of "deliberately" raising technological barriers preventing the government from obtaining the data on the iPhone through a lawful warrant. "Apple alone can remove those barriers so the FBI can search the phone," reads the document, "and it can do so without undue burden." Apple is "one of the richest and most tech-savvy companies in the world," and is "more than able to comply with the AWA order." The government goes on to suggest that there's no evidence a narrow order could apply to additional devices in the future, but if it does, Apple is "more than able to comply with a large volume of law-enforcement requests."Several sections in the motion also disagree with the notion that the software could be used on other devices and could fall into the hands of hackers or lead to Apple being forced to comply with data requests from foreign governments.Apple and the U.S. government have been engaged in a fierce public battle over the order that would require Apple to help the FBI break into the iPhone of San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook by creating new software to circumvent passcode restrictions on the device. Apple believes complying with the demand would set a dangerous precedent that could lead to the overall weakening of encryption on smartphones and other electronic devices.

Apple executives, including Tim Cook, Eddy Cue, and Craig Federighi have all given public interviews in recent weeks explaining Apple's stance, positioning the government's request as an overreach of power that could snowball into a continual stream of invasive demands impacting the privacy rights of its customers across the world.

Apple is scheduled to appear in court to fight the order on March 22, the day after its planned March 21 event that will see the debut of the iPhone SE and the new 9.7-inch iPad.

Update: Apple legal chief Bruce Sewell spoke with reporters following the government's filing, and a transcript of what he had to say has been shared by Business Insider.

In the statement, Sewell says the "cheap shot" brief's tone "reads like an indictment." He says it is an "unsupported, unsubstantiated effort to vilify Apple" rather than an effort to cover the issues in the case.Note: Due to the political nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: U.S. Government Calls Apple's Opposition to iPhone Unlocking Order a 'Diversion,' Says Fears Are 'Overblown'

THAT'S NOTHING... CHECK THIS OUT... DOJ may request Apple SOURCE CODE: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-encryption-sourcecode-analysis-idUSKCN0WH01N

 

[You are the One]

THAT'S NOTHING... CHECK THIS OUT... DOJ may request Apple SOURCE CODE: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-encryption-sourcecode-analysis-idUSKCN0WH01N

At one point there will be a revolution as this continues.

 

[JamesPDX]

At one point there will be a revolution as this continues.

...And angry software engineers could possibly release indistinguishable clones of the source code containing back-doors of their own. Who would know if there was a shared team-admin account that just stayed open? Could anyone be sure of which flavor they were getting? Could you fool a checksum? I understand where the FBI is coming from, but they are making people more paranoid than is necessary. Do they really want to create more Eric Snowdens? That would not be a good thing.

Last question: Is it worth it?