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U.S. Government Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Google for Search Engine Dominance
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Even if this was true, and it’s not, these companies have a right to free speech, which includes the right to not allow speech on their platform that they don’t like. Just like I can’t go to your home and stick a sign in your front yard without your permission.
(BTW, big tech censors progressive news, not fascist news:
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Facebook deliberately made changes to show you less news from Mother Jones
We knew, but now we know.www.motherjones.com
You have that backwards. Its Google that is silencing free speech by censoring news that doesn't fit their political or social agendas and narratives. That is straight out of the Communist Chinese Party playbook and has no place in the United States of America. The SCOTUS would agree should this go before them.
The First amendment says google can do that, and it also says that the government can’t make them not censor.
Nothing says "conservative values" like sending in jackbooted thugs to spend millions of taxpayer dollars in a ham fisted attempt to break up a successful private enterprise for lack of cultural diversity in their product.
Communist China must shocked, shocked!, to find that a government would intervene to ensure certain political messages are presented by every business.
i would feel good that i can get apps from different app stores , atm i’m stuck using altstore
“Break them up”
“Break them up”
Putting aside several peculiarities about this sudden lawsuit. Did everyone chanting to have them broken up completely forget that Google already was split up??? Alphabet? What year are all these comments from?
And I don’t see why the DoJ is lashing out just at Google for their default setting on Apple devices. There are two parties in a contract. And it’s probably not like Google put a bullet to Apple’s heads to agree to it.
A bit hypocritical to mob against Google, when Apple is just as much to be blamed for supporting Google’s monopoly.
“Break them up”
Putting aside several peculiarities about this sudden lawsuit. Did everyone chanting to have them broken up completely forget that Google already was split up??? Alphabet? What year are all these comments from?
And I don’t see why the DoJ is lashing out just at Google for their default setting on Apple devices. There are two parties in a contract. And it’s probably not like Google put a bullet to Apple’s heads to agree to it.
A bit hypocritical to mob against Google, when Apple is just as much to be blamed for supporting Google’s monopoly.
This does seem like an interesting choice of political play rather than actual antitrust enforcement. There's literally a dozen or more cases where there are obviously consumer harming monopolies. Google is one of those weird cases where I'm not sure that breaking it up would help consumers. This is a company that mainly sells its services to other company's not the user of the service itself.
So theyre literally offering their product as cheaply as possibly (free?) to gain marketshare to create a produce, but they also use their billions to maintain an international competitive edge. The products they sell are insanely expensive to develop and operate at the global scale with servers and staff in every major country on earth and a legal and financial department that must number in the thousands to figure out international tax law. They do what all for-profit companies do and try to find every loophole to avoid taxes. Thats a legislation issue that needs to be discussed and addressed globally for sure.
I'm not sure how a smaller company will offer a better service or even compete while making less or no money.
Either international alternatives will be pushed further up the useful chain where there are no antitrust laws or remnants of google will have to find alternate revenue streams.
I use Google because it's easy, free, and offers a good service.. Not because it's the only option.
I use amazon for a similar reason, but they've proven themselves and their reviews unreliable lately so I'm more inclined to use a manufactures website or a brick and mortar store to buy an expensive item... Consumers have an enormous amount of choices (too many possibly) but a convenient one stop shopping experience is what people want.
Thats what the internet is. Infinite sources of information so we go to the most reliable and efficient source.
So theyre literally offering their product as cheaply as possibly (free?) to gain marketshare to create a produce, but they also use their billions to maintain an international competitive edge. The products they sell are insanely expensive to develop and operate at the global scale with servers and staff in every major country on earth and a legal and financial department that must number in the thousands to figure out international tax law. They do what all for-profit companies do and try to find every loophole to avoid taxes. Thats a legislation issue that needs to be discussed and addressed globally for sure.
I'm not sure how a smaller company will offer a better service or even compete while making less or no money.
Either international alternatives will be pushed further up the useful chain where there are no antitrust laws or remnants of google will have to find alternate revenue streams.
I use Google because it's easy, free, and offers a good service.. Not because it's the only option.
I use amazon for a similar reason, but they've proven themselves and their reviews unreliable lately so I'm more inclined to use a manufactures website or a brick and mortar store to buy an expensive item... Consumers have an enormous amount of choices (too many possibly) but a convenient one stop shopping experience is what people want.
Thats what the internet is. Infinite sources of information so we go to the most reliable and efficient source.
I think the point they were making is that it certainly will go to appeal if DOJ wins on this and we're probably close to a decade before anything actually changes. It took a decade from suit to settlement to break up Ma Bell, and 6 years to finally slap Microsoft on the wrist.
Think of how different the tech world is likely to look in a decade and how silly this may all seem by then.
I'm pretty sure there is nothing wrong with the arrangement Google and Apple have until Google is found to be abusing their monopoly position, at which point it's the monopolists responsibility to abide by the restrictions put on them.
Now they have to go after Amazon who is now exercising control over what books are published and what movies can be distributed based on what they approve of politically.
Breaking up companies might not be the solution. However, they need hard clear rules. The free reign that these tech companies has had is acceptable for upstart companies paving the way for a change. Now the tech companies are huge and institutionalised and should be managed as such. Just like the banks and medicinal companies that are managed and controlled through legislation and government bodies in order to protect the individual and the wider society.
Sorry Goolge and Co, you are not a startups anymore but have reached maturity, so act correspondingly. You know, pay the taxes, follow the INTENTION of the law, improve the moral standards of operation and yes I almost forgot, minimise CO2 footprint. Ei, function as a responsible normal grownup.
Sorry Goolge and Co, you are not a startups anymore but have reached maturity, so act correspondingly. You know, pay the taxes, follow the INTENTION of the law, improve the moral standards of operation and yes I almost forgot, minimise CO2 footprint. Ei, function as a responsible normal grownup.
Geez, if only they’d thought about that! (They’re not complaining solely that Google search is dominant.)
You’re saying that like I won’t also celebrate the day when a similar lawsuit is filed against Apple.
Facebook, Amazon, and Microsoft, too.
Some of these comments are funny
When Apple is accused of monopoly type acts the reply is always, well no-one makes you buy Apple, you can buy Android instead.
That's a choice of exactly 1 other option you have.
However if you don't like Google search you have the choice of a ton of other search engines.
No-one is forcing anyone to use Google. People use it, even Apple as it's an excellent product.
Funny how the same rules don't apply here.
When Apple is accused of monopoly type acts the reply is always, well no-one makes you buy Apple, you can buy Android instead.
That's a choice of exactly 1 other option you have.
However if you don't like Google search you have the choice of a ton of other search engines.
No-one is forcing anyone to use Google. People use it, even Apple as it's an excellent product.
Funny how the same rules don't apply here.
And on Planet Reality ~25% marketshare would not be considered a monopoly. Yet Apple's ~25% compared to Android's ~75% is supposedly monopoly. No wonder John Q. Public thinks the government is run by morons (conveniently forgetting they are the reason said morons are in power
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Search is a function that will always tend towards near-complete-takeover of the market by a single company. No matter how many search engines you start with, once one of them is better than the others, it will rapidly accumulate almost all the market share, because changing search engines is zero friction on the part of the consumer and the company can scale to arbitrarily high traffic by just throwing more machines at it. (If you've built infrastructure that can handle 10% of the world's searches, then you can handle 100% of the world's searches by just spending your revenue building more data centers.) This in turn leads to a positive feedback loop of advertising revenue and corporate investment in further search engine improvements, cementing the position of the market leader.
I amnot sure about this. Google search is open, free (for consumers), you have other search platforms exist in desktop, laptops, tablet, mobiles, it allows users to change the default search to competitors search engines. If others can't match with all side open Search engine, we can't obviously blame Google for their dominant position. Others need to step up.....
couldn’t apple be broken up into several companies the same way? Not being a smart ass, genuinely curious
they have music,tv, telecommunications, etc
Will Apple Web Search be big though to compete? It's coming (my site gets searched with Applebot Robots)