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I could be wrong but I was under the impression that google gets less analytics from safari than other browsers, additionally the fact 90% of people will want google as their defaults, can you imagine the moaning and complaining from ordinary people if it wasn't the default. So if you apple you might as well get paid for it right.
Nah, I think during set up assistant that the OS should present options like that and then it's all good.
 
Nah, I think during set up assistant that the OS should present options like that and then it's all good.
I get what you are saying but my original point was people will still pick google, so again from apple perspective why not get paid for it.
 
I get what you are saying but my original point was people will still pick google, so again from apple perspective why not get paid for it.
Oh yes, that's fine but at least give them the choice, you can't say fairer than that and then nobody can level accusations at them.
 
Sigh 😔: only thing I think google is violating is my right to privacy. Sure, they have market power, but only because the end user is their main product and makes them a lot of money from other companies who are also violating the end users privacy. I would rather they have to purge all the unnecessary end user data and not be allowed to sale any date that identifies me by name.
 
Sigh 😔: only thing I think google is violating is my right to privacy. Sure, they have market power, but only because the end user is their main product and makes them a lot of money from other companies who are also violating the end users privacy. I would rather they have to purge all the unnecessary end user data and not be allowed to sale any date that identifies me by name.
How do you know that they have that?
 
I remember the good days when you used to have to use the phone book and look out the window to find things. Oh my gosh do two things at a time. Guess life has gotten so much harder these days. Boo-hoo, Boo-hoo.
You're right, we should all just go back to horse and buggy, cars are too convenient. :rolleyes:
 
Do you not think 89% of iPhone users would pick google. Ordinary people dont search the we they google stuff. People will always pick google and thats why apple might as we get paid for it in their eyes
Well you could also look at it as the fact that other search engines have dropped drastically in their market share over the last 5 years (fact) and this was caused by the anti-competitive behavior of Google.

You could also argue that this have a compounding impact. With other search engines getting less traffic, this is less data to improve your service.

Google is popular, yes. Google is the most popular, yes. But paying 7 billion dollars to wiggle out compeition is illegal because it's anti-competitive and it's created a monopoly. Burying your search engine options 3 levels deep in an obscure menu hurts consumer choice.

The better question isn't how many people would have picked Google anyways, the better question is how many people missed out on trying a non-Google search engine for the first time ever?
 
Wonder if the Apple App Store execs are feeling a bit squirmy in their seats...

Even though I am an Apple customer, I will not deny that I have been affected by the closed down hell that is the app store or the many anti consumer moves that apple does by making their devices impossible to repair.

Apple should be scared, but they arent, because as the many rabid white knights have shown us, they have fans that will turn a blind eye to these things, just because they worship Apple.

Its easier to change the search engine default and I havent experience any devices that blocked such things.

But the blocks that I get from apple are only fixable by abandoning all their hardware and even some of their software and services.
 
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Death to the Goolag!

It’s about time. Google needs to be broken up into at least 5 different companies, two search engines, two YouTubes and Android.

The govt should also require diversity of thought within the management team of each new entity; that way we don’t see any misuse of corporate assets to illegally further political objectives.

Actually, they need to break Chrome because as I heard Google makes their websites and services more compatible with Chrome and less with other browsers.

Its hard to say when something is a monopoly and when it needs to be broken down? Why can't we say the same about Apple and their ecosystem? Why not about Microsoft with their 85% marketshare of operating system worldwide? Why does a company gets punished for its success!?

Maybe we'll get Alta Vista back... or Excite...

Webcrawler!!! 🕷
Actually if you haven't heard, its duckduckgo now.
 
It’s about time. Google needs to be broken up into at least 5 different companies, two search engines, two YouTubes and Android.

The govt should also require diversity of thought within the management team of each new entity; that way we don’t see any misuse of corporate assets to illegally further political objectives.

Ok, and going by your suggestion, how do you suggest that Apple should be broken up?
 
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I'd be outraged if my Govt. were to burn cash on goose chase like this. It is not Googles fault the public made their name a verb for search.
 
Well you could also look at it as the fact that other search engines have dropped drastically in their market share over the last 5 years (fact) and this was caused by the anti-competitive behavior of Google.
Or they just plain suck. Cream rises to the top.
You could also argue that this have a compounding impact. With other search engines getting less traffic, this is less data to improve your service.
Goes back to the first point.
Google is popular, yes. Google is the most popular, yes. But paying 7 billion dollars to wiggle out compeition is illegal because it's anti-competitive and it's created a monopoly. Burying your search engine options 3 levels deep in an obscure menu hurts consumer choice.
That remains to be seen. However, it's like anything else, where highest bidder wins. And who is to say a majority of apple customers, do not have a problem of changing the defaults.
The better question isn't how many people would have picked Google anyways, the better question is how many people missed out on trying a non-Google search engine for the first time ever?
The real question is, do consumers choose google because the others suck and google is best?

You going to kill american innovation, because yahoo screwed itself and bing doesn't really compete? That's the american way.
 
No because there is plenty of healthy comparable competition in all of those areas. In music they compete with Spotify, who is larger than Apple Music. In TV they compete with Hulu and Netflix, both of which are larger than Apple TV. In telecom they compete with Samsung, Sony, Motorola, LG, etc.
Isn't Spotify groaning about Apple being a monopoly? Why Yes, Virginia they are. :p

Also if you compare to Google to cable TV which also controls the internet in many areas that arguments falls about. If this was truly about competition then why in the bloody blazes isn't the DOJ going after Comcast or AT&T which is a regional monopoly (by the purest definition of the word) in many areas?! ISPs Are Blocking Google Fiber's Access To Utility Poles In California
 
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It shouldn’t be. Plenty of healthy competition exists for all of Apple’s major products/services.

If Apple was underpricing all of the competition because of a their current vertical integration strategy, then yes it would be a monopoly. The fact that they are positioned as the top tier premium option with plenty of competing services outside of their ecosystem means that they will probably never see the type of legal action that Facebook, Amazon and Google should face.

Apple might be challenged to provide access WITHIN their ecosystem like what is going on with Epic, but that is completely different than declaring Apple a monopoly in general.

Amazon is the best+worst example of a vertical monopoly (integration). Free shipping is a massive change to the ecommerce market and they are only able to do that because they are willing to invest in an infrastructure which cannot and never will make money on its own. Amazon is all about the lowest price and making pennies on the entire transaction but making it impossible for anyone else to complete. They don't even have hosting costs as they handle that on their own (probably the largest investment for any software based company is fully subsidized by everyone else paying for hosting services).
 
You know, if they actually charged Google fair penalties then maybe their behavior wouldn't be so poor. Instead they slap them with fines of a few million dollars when they do something wrong and Google lols in their face.
 
I remember the good days when you used to have to use the phone book and look out the window to find things. Oh my gosh do two things at a time. Guess life has gotten so much harder these days. Boo-hoo, Boo-hoo.

I get the strangest looks from young kids when I tell them what the 'weather channel' was like in my hometown, after we got cable.

Yeah, we had cable. No, dinosaurs did NOT roam the planet. Yeah, I had a TV in my bedroom. It was black and white, and I had to get up to change the channel.

The 'weather channel' was a camera setup on a mount that swung back and forth, looking at the foot wide gauges that showed REAL TIME what the weather was doing. Real time wind speed, real time wind direction, real time temperature.

Swinging back and forth.

It actually got stuck once, for several hours, before someone nudged it and got it moving again.

They even started putting poster board prints of sponsor logos and made the camera swing a little farther. It was 'rustic' by today's standards, but a hell of a lot more useful than the current multi-million dollar Weather Channel, and their puffed and preened 'talent' flashing their teeth, cleavage, and legs, to the TV audience. No, we didn't have 'Ice Road Truckers' back then, in the 'stone age'.

Those 'good old days' were pretty awesome, but I really like what technology has allowed to happen. (Well, not the screw job my company got from Dall and Best Buy, but...)

To the 'good old days', and I hope we don't end up back there, soon...
 
Nah, I think during set up assistant that the OS should present options like that and then it's all good.
I already hate how many questions I need to answer during setup. People want me to spend my time picking search engines an App Stores during install? No.

My devices are set to DDG as default. I’d expect that the people who can’t find the setting are probably the people who just want a search engine that works.
 
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I already hate how many questions I need to answer during setup. People want me to spend my time picking search engines an App Stores during install? No.

My devices are set to DDG as default. I’d expect that the people who can’t find the setting are probably the people who just want a search engine that works.

Instead of during install, how about the first time the app launches (Safari)?
 
I must have the only MacBook Pro that had Bing set as the default search engine out the gate on Mojave...
 
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