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I had my lawyer review thanks. If they add it I don't need to update it. I have the product and its perpetual now.

Generative AI isn't going away so don't waste time with your lawyer. On your computer your files are safe. In the cloud or in shared folders you can use encrypted disk images if you don't like terms of service.

But there's nothing you can do about your images once they are posted on social media or published by your client. They will be scraped for training. Things like 'Glaze' don't do anything except waste tons of energy. They can be circumvented by image scrapers that simply screenshot the web. There's no Glaze data in a screenshot.
 
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Generative AI isn't going away so don't waste time with your lawyer. On your computer your files are safe. In the cloud or in shared folders you can use encrypted disk images if you don't like terms of service.

But there's nothing you can do about your images once they are posted on social media or published by your client. They will be scraped for training. Things like 'Glaze' don't do anything except waste tons of energy. They can be circumvented by image scrapers that simply screenshot the web. There's no Glaze data in a screenshot.
Ugh I am not getting into a fifth discussion on a message board about useless lawyers. I have multi-millions of contracts and NDAs that I could be fined. Yes, I listen to my lawyer.

Affinity Photo DOES NOT have Generative AI. Maybe in Version 3 it will scan files, but not now. And the benefit is I do NOT need to upgrade. I payed once and have the product forever. Let's just leave it at that.

I know how to run my business and with my Lawyer assisting to make sure I don't owe dozens of millions thank you very much.
 
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Ok I no longer use Adobe and I think their subscription model is wrong on many levels.

With that said I find it a bit odd people are confused by this. Subscriptions typically have a month to month rate and an annual rate which costs less per month. Online services typically charge that full annual price up front but it results is less cost per month. Nobody would be able to afford the $720 annual fee if it was charged up front so Adobe splits that up per month. You as a customer however promised to pay that $720 to use the software for a year as part of that per month discounted price.

If customers truly wanted the option to cancel at any time they would be paying $1,080 per year. Clearly people would rather pay $720 instead of $1080 so they choose the annual plan. Annual meaning a one year commitment. One year! When one commits to a one year plan its normal to have a penalty to cancel that promise.

While Adobe is absolutely horrendous at explaining this in clear language and always makes everything convoluted and confusing I don't really think what they did was illegal. I feel their cost in general is way over inflated for what it is. Thats why myself and many others have moved on many years ago already. I just don't see how people are confused by this. An annual promise is an annual promise. It's not rocket science. When I did pay for Adobe many years ago I knew without a doubt doing the annual plan meant I was going to pay $60 a month or whatever it was at that time until those 12 months were up. When I switched to Affinity I canceled Adobe as soon as my 12 month window was up. I did have to keep an eye on it and make sure I timed it right but it was not predatory at all.

I want to make myself clear here. I have no love for Adobe at all. I will likely never pay for anything they have ever again. I feel like the entire subscription model is a waste of money and a horrible business practice. I just don't feel there is any deception on the annual contract part. Unless their costumer service is even worse now than it was before. I'm mainly speaking to the concept of an annual commitment compared to month to month. To me it seems like a group of people wanted to pay less for the software and wanted to get rid of it whenever they want. Essentially doing a backdoor discounted cost. It doesn't work like that. If you want to only use it a few months you have to pay the monthly rate of $90. If you want the lower $60 per month cost you have to commit to 12 months. Period.
 
Is it just me or does Apple‘s new Siri icon look like creative cloud?

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Adobe countersue Apple to get money to pay DOJ lawsuit settlement. (Plot twist)
 
What's new? Big corporation takes advantage of its "free trial" by marketing as such and was actually lying as it turns out! Wow! That hasn't ever happened before! Seeing you all fight about Adobe products is the entertainment I sorely needed tonight, so thanks all.
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I stopped using Adobe products not long after they introduced the subscriber model.

Only software subscription I have is for office 365 which is worth every cent.
I still use photoshop and acrobat as I have already used to those two. But I also agree office 365 worth every cent. Paid in various forms for 10 years and still paying.
 
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Low budget doesn't necessarily mean bad software. Affinity is pretty great for most pro and consumer users.

I think it's great that pro users are starting to look at other softwares.
Adobe has almost had an iron grip on the industry with their bloatware, and now also spyware.
 
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Unfortunately. It's all we have though.
Except user sentiment.
Move on if you can!
It's kabuki theatre which only pads the wallets of the suing org & lawyers. It makes it appear the suing org is doing their job. But does little to deter the sued party or others from hatching similar plans in future. That is why these things keep happening over and over and over. If you try to run an honest business, you'll be put out of business by someone else playing these games. That's how all big tech, big banks, big pharma, etc. got so big and repeatedly get sued and pay fines. These companies keep a chief ethics officer on staff to help guide them on what unethical practices they can get away with while still winning prizes for being ethical!
 
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It makes no sense to extort money from people who need it for the semester or two when you’re unknowingly locked in for a year. I’m still paying the $28/mo fee even if I don’t currently use it!
To be fair you are paying $336 to use all their software for a year. Thats compared to the normal price of $720 for a year. If you did the normal non student price per month at $90 you wouldn't even get it for 4 months for that same $336. So from a certain perspective you are essentially getting four months of the software for twelve months.

It is interesting they don't have month to month plans for students. The thinking is probably $336 is already a lower cost and only licensing for a few months would not really give them much revenue per student.

I used to have to buy the full suite of software upgrades all the time which was not cheap either. Imagine buying the full suite on a DVD-rom when it may only be needed for one semester. In many ways you get the software for a heck of a lot cheaper than I did when I was in college. Especially when you factor in the payment plan of $28 per month which is much easier to handle and budget vs forking over hundreds of dollars at once as a starving art student. I really struggled to pay for the software back then. I had to use part of my student loan money to even make it possible.
 
This may have been posted already, but there is a workaround for cancelling. If you switch to a different product (say go from Photography Plan to Lightroom Plan) you can cancel once switched. This is because Adobe allows you to switch between subscriptions and when you do it starts a new 12 month period and a fresh 14 day cancellation window.

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Low budget doesn't necessarily mean bad software. Affinity is pretty great for most pro and consumer users.

I think it's great that pro users are starting to look at other softwares.
Adobe has almost had an iron grip on the industry with their bloatware, and now also spyware.

Machine learning in the cloud isn't spyware if the terms are clear and they aren't spying on your local files.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but anytime you put your images online or your clients publish them everyone can see those images and copy your ideas or be inspired by your ideas.

That's all generative image models do. They learn from images and then let users apply visual concepts.

Yes, being inspired by other people's work sometimes results in lawsuits and arguments. The nature of capitalism is that people fight to protect their IP and hate being copied while at the same time rant that they believe in knowledge sharing and inspiring others. It's a contradiction isn't it? Openness and freedom to express, but not when your work comes too close to mine.

Instead of arguing against the technology, argue only against the abuse and misuse of it. Photography can be highly abusive but nobody calls the camera a 'spyware' that should be banned. The paintbrush can create abusive images and propaganda for dictatorships, but nobody says the paintbrush shouldn't exist.
 
I also hate Apple for deactivating an account as soon as you cancel a trial like Apple is literally the only service where this has ever happened to me. Usually I subscribe to a trial and cancel it right after to make sure I do not forget but normally the service still works for the rest of the trial period. This is not the case with Apple.
 
Illustrator has a couple features I used that I couldn't seem to find in any other vector art program. Notably the 3D tool. Basically gives some controllable depth to any object without having 3D modeling skills. They're typically very basic shapes but I liked to play around with them a lot.

I've played around with Affinity Designer in the past, I think I might permanently switch to it. Maybe learn Blender or something for those 3D objects. At the very least, I won't have a subscription to pay anymore.
 
Until schools stop teaching it and industries discontinue, you’re stuck with it regardless of relevance.

With Figma being one of their biggest competitors, it was quite a sigh of relief the buyout didn’t happen.
It's also not just all U.S. education institutions, it's global.
Ok I no longer use Adobe and I think their subscription model is wrong on many levels.

With that said I find it a bit odd people are confused by this. Subscriptions typically have a month to month rate and an annual rate which costs less per month. Online services typically charge that full annual price up front but it results is less cost per month. Nobody would be able to afford the $720 annual fee if it was charged up front so Adobe splits that up per month. You as a customer however promised to pay that $720 to use the software for a year as part of that per month discounted price.

If customers truly wanted the option to cancel at any time they would be paying $1,080 per year. Clearly people would rather pay $720 instead of $1080 so they choose the annual plan. Annual meaning a one year commitment. One year! When one commits to a one year plan its normal to have a penalty to cancel that promise.

While Adobe is absolutely horrendous at explaining this in clear language and always makes everything convoluted and confusing I don't really think what they did was illegal. I feel their cost in general is way over inflated for what it is. Thats why myself and many others have moved on many years ago already. I just don't see how people are confused by this. An annual promise is an annual promise. It's not rocket science. When I did pay for Adobe many years ago I knew without a doubt doing the annual plan meant I was going to pay $60 a month or whatever it was at that time until those 12 months were up. When I switched to Affinity I canceled Adobe as soon as my 12 month window was up. I did have to keep an eye on it and make sure I timed it right but it was not predatory at all.

I want to make myself clear here. I have no love for Adobe at all. I will likely never pay for anything they have ever again. I feel like the entire subscription model is a waste of money and a horrible business practice. I just don't feel there is any deception on the annual contract part. Unless their costumer service is even worse now than it was before. I'm mainly speaking to the concept of an annual commitment compared to month to month. To me it seems like a group of people wanted to pay less for the software and wanted to get rid of it whenever they want. Essentially doing a backdoor discounted cost. It doesn't work like that. If you want to only use it a few months you have to pay the monthly rate of $90. If you want the lower $60 per month cost you have to commit to 12 months. Period.
The lawsuit is about them advertising CC as a monthly subscription service and benefitting from the incentive/attractiveness of customers paying in monthly installments while the actual cost and length of the agreement runs for no less than 12 months, regardless of whether the customer pays in monthly installments or an annual fee.

For Adobe to get away with its bait and switch it should not have hidden the fact that you not only get penalized for cancelling the subscription but also lose access to CC.

You can go through with the purchase and the only sentence that alerts you of this is the term "early termination fee".

You literally have to dig through there TOS to get to the fine print.

This notion that it's such a great value because of all the numerous apps you get is also false -3/4s of the apps are not useful to the average user.

Those apps are therefore just more paying for software I never wanted and I'm never going to use while Adobe profits. And Adobe most certainly doesn't have increased costs as a consequence of my hypothetical access to several many apps I'll never install.

It's all a part of their business plan -A giant app buffet that you pay extortionately for, whether you use it or not. And no fair prices for a single "dish" or two instead of the buffet, if that's all you need.

They deliberately set the monthly payment plan extortionately high just to make the "Annual, paid monthly" plan seem like a good deal despite also being overpriced.

And then you never get to own it or even just lower your fee a little for subscribing to CC for years in a row.

Typical marketing and legal jargon that's screwing over consumers and destroying how the World values products and services instead of just being straightforward and transparent.
 
adobe is less relevant today, thankfully.
Sadly it is not, certainly if you do work for other companies, as they expect files in Adobe file formats. A friend have been doing graphics design for years using Adobe software and most of the companies she did work for wanted he to do the work in Adobe software, be that Photoshop, illustrator, InDesign or other Adobe stuff.
A few months ago she decided a slow-down a bit and have gone for smaller clients and now use the Serif affinity software. But some of them still asks if she uses Adobe. I think her susbscription for Adobe stuff comes to the end in August and she is not going to renew it.
The problem is now is that Affinity has been taken over by Canva, which is little worrying.

There really is not a lot of competition for Adobe out there, Video editing yes maybe and Audio yes, but graphics wise, nope. Desktop publishing therer is very little out there either. You have Affinity publisher, quarkexpress if you can afford it, Xara page and layout something or other, not really a true desktop publisher. Scribus if you want to go open-source.
MS have decided to stop producing their desktop publisher.
 
Excellent! Someone had to step up against their shrewd practice of making money this way.
Shrewd possibly isn’t the word you were looking for as it suggests positive connotations and approval of a wise decision. Not always the case but certainly the case post 17th century :)
 
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