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U.S. House Judiciary Committee Subpoenas Apple for Info on Alleged Free Speech Suppression
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Banned maybe not by the governor of California, but I really doubt that Burbank California is run by Republicans.
'To Kill a Mockingbird,' Other Books Banned in Schools Over Racism Concerns
Mark Twain's "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" and Mildred D. Taylor's 'Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry" among other books banned.
www.newsweek.com
Schools in Burbank will no longer be able to teach a handful of classic novels, including Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, following concerns raised by parents over racism.
Middle and high school English teachers in the Burbank Unified School District received the news during a virtual meeting on September 9.
Until further notice, teachers in the area will not be able to include on their curriculum Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, Mark Twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, Theodore Taylor's The Cay and Mildred D. Taylor's Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry.
Not really curious - Twitter has been releasing a steady stream of info on this that has already been present in multiple Congressional proceedings.
Also, I find it interesting interesting how nonchalant all the apologists in the comments are about the potential for rampant censorship by mega-corporations that have a functional global monopoly on communication. Pretty sad, you guys. Get your heads out of your preferred politician's... well, you know.
Actually, very curious. They were livid with Twitter prior to Musk owning them, now they think that Twitter is okay? Is it not interesting that they are giving those who support their platforms/issues a pass, and yet will go after those they do not agree with?
Sorry, but those who buy that also are complacent in their hypocrisy. Suppression of speech shouldn't only matter when it is only their (perceived) free speech that is being suppressed.
Besides: if going after these tech firms for suppression of free speech, then they should be going after all firms suppressing free speech, otherwise their actions are hollow, because they are not of any authority to judge what is or isn't free speech, especially when these are private firms, in which they are in their right to handle content on their property. It is the same reason/excuse they gave for Twitter, and they can not have it both ways.
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Contrary to what some seem to somehow believe, "free" doesn't mean "devoid of consequences." Sure, you can freely say and do whatever you want. But... and this is key... there are some words/phrases and some actions that carry varying degrees of consequences. Thankfully so.
Anyway, "Apple" has become the go-to talking point for those that have nothing to offer, or are looking to distract, or are desperate for relevance. Jim Jordan check all three boxes. That he simultaneously slams his fist down on the pulpit in the name of the importance of free speech while also supporting the removal of textbooks books from elementary schools because their "deranged wokeness is nothing more than mental abuse for children" (yes, that is an actual quote), is typical of the "having it both ways" strategy that is exhausting and exhausted. Simply put, divisiveness, segregation and stagnation are proving a **** plan for moving forward. Because all of those aspects are actually steps backward. This has nothing to do with left, right, up, down... but everything to do with the fact that evolution marches on despite any efforts on the contrary. So get on board people. Let's evolve. We've wasted enough time on petty nothings. Chop chop.
Anyway, "Apple" has become the go-to talking point for those that have nothing to offer, or are looking to distract, or are desperate for relevance. Jim Jordan check all three boxes. That he simultaneously slams his fist down on the pulpit in the name of the importance of free speech while also supporting the removal of textbooks books from elementary schools because their "deranged wokeness is nothing more than mental abuse for children" (yes, that is an actual quote), is typical of the "having it both ways" strategy that is exhausting and exhausted. Simply put, divisiveness, segregation and stagnation are proving a **** plan for moving forward. Because all of those aspects are actually steps backward. This has nothing to do with left, right, up, down... but everything to do with the fact that evolution marches on despite any efforts on the contrary. So get on board people. Let's evolve. We've wasted enough time on petty nothings. Chop chop.
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Do a search for various things you mentioned e.g., both parties banning books or whatever similar search terms you want to use. Again, anyone who thinks one side is significantly worse (or better) than the other is clearly too biased or brainwashed by "their side", and the media can be blamed for a lot of it.
Book bans are far more common on the right.
Yes, it is true that pushes to ban books come from both progressives and conservatives.
But pretending everything is the same isn't a solution. One group bans books more. That is a fact.
pen.org
Red states top the list and "LGBTQ" is the most common theme of books that have been banned. Not exactly a progressive target.
"Both sides do X" and "One side does X more" can both be true statements. I guess it's up to you to decide whether the latter statement matters.
Yes, it is true that pushes to ban books come from both progressives and conservatives.
But pretending everything is the same isn't a solution. One group bans books more. That is a fact.
Banned in the USA - PEN America
PEN America's report on school book bans offers the most comprehensive look at banned books in the 2021–22 school year, with counting more than 2,500 bans.
pen.org
Red states top the list and "LGBTQ" is the most common theme of books that have been banned. Not exactly a progressive target.
"Both sides do X" and "One side does X more" can both be true statements. I guess it's up to you to decide whether the latter statement matters.
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Gentlemen: What on earth happened to UNITED states of America?
The rest of us need you guys to stay together. SoMe’s stupid algorithms and possibly internet trolls from other countries are trying to divide you people. Don’t be fooled and don’t let that happen.
The rest of us need you guys to stay together. SoMe’s stupid algorithms and possibly internet trolls from other countries are trying to divide you people. Don’t be fooled and don’t let that happen.
Umm.. no.. you made the assertion that the Blues are banning books, and he asked you for examples. Per forum tules, you need to provide the sources to back up your claim. Can you please provide sources showing that Democrat governors are banning books?
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And there comes whataboutism. Yes, more censorsip, morr big tech soyaks deciding what's right because in the long run censorship is what saves freedom. Makes total sense.
What a joy I do not live in USA. Wouldn't move to that deranged ******** country even if I got paid to do so.
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Well. That is sad. Not being American my self, but I would expect good teachers to take these books, analyze them with the kids and make them learn from them to ensure that this ugly part of American history is never forgotten so we will not repeat it.Banned maybe not by the governor of California, but I really doubt that Burbank California is run by Republicans.
'To Kill a Mockingbird,' Other Books Banned in Schools Over Racism Concerns
Mark Twain's "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" and Mildred D. Taylor's 'Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry" among other books banned.
Schools in Burbank will no longer be able to teach a handful of classic novels, including Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, following concerns raised by parents over racism.
Middle and high school English teachers in the Burbank Unified School District received the news during a virtual meeting on September 9.
Until further notice, teachers in the area will not be able to include on their curriculum Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, Mark Twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, Theodore Taylor's The Cay and Mildred D. Taylor's Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry.
There are many things you could do with that ugly past. You can regret it, you can try to make up for it. You can choose to still honor it (those statues of slave owners!!!) etc… but you should never forget or ignore it!
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There's no conspiracy theory there. You can read about what the Mueller investigation uncovered here.
The Mueller report’s collusion section is much worse than you think
The contacts with Russians documented in the report amount to a devastating indictment of Trump’s approach to politics.
www.vox.com
Here's an excerpt incase you don't plan to read it:
"So when Mueller concludes that he “did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities,” he is not saying that there is no evidence of “collusion” at all, in any sense. What he is saying is that there is insufficient evidence to prove that the Trump administration was directly involved in Russian crimes like stealing Clinton’s emails.
But did the Trump campaign actively work with the Russian government to improve its electoral chances? If that’s the standard, then the report provides plenty of evidence to suggest the answer is yes."
Banned maybe not by the governor of California, but I really doubt that Burbank California is run by Republicans.
'To Kill a Mockingbird,' Other Books Banned in Schools Over Racism Concerns
Mark Twain's "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" and Mildred D. Taylor's 'Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry" among other books banned.
Schools in Burbank will no longer be able to teach a handful of classic novels, including Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, following concerns raised by parents over racism.
Middle and high school English teachers in the Burbank Unified School District received the news during a virtual meeting on September 9.
Until further notice, teachers in the area will not be able to include on their curriculum Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, Mark Twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, Theodore Taylor's The Cay and Mildred D. Taylor's Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry.
This doesn't appear to be a decision made by Democrats. A school district made the decision after complaints from parents, and I don't agree with it. It's nice to see that it was protested by many anti-censorship groups, and by other students and parents.
Book banning is a bipartisan game
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2020/05/08/book-banning-is-a-bipartisan-game/
When It Comes to Banning Books, Both Right and Left Are Guilty
https://www.newsweek.com/when-it-comes-banning-books-both-right-left-are-guilty-opinion-1696045
How Liberals Became the New Book Banners
https://reason.com/2014/10/01/how-liberals-became-the-new-book-banners
Banning books is a nasty habit, whether it comes from the right or left
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/17/opinions/york-pennsylvania-school-district-book-ban-parini/index.html
Banning books, cancelling this or that, etc. are bipartisan issues.
hear hear!
that's what I, as an immigrant, trying to tell these knuckleheads all along!
I appreciate you posting the links. Obviously I'm not for banning books of any kind, especially at a state wide level, and within the public school system. Hopefully we can both agree that it's a dangerous and dark road to go down.
As for your comment about "cancelling," though. Actions have always had consequences, and in our more connected than ever world, that still applies.
The most inspiring in all of this is that you can be a "paper tiger" and a "petrol station", have virtually zero control over mass media, continue to supply resources to your enemies and at the same time still run this world like a boss. Do more with less. If this does not motivate you, nothing will ever will.
The only thing Russia is running, is itself, straight into the ground. What a laughing stock.
That wasn't whataboutism. That was pointing out that there is commonly a false equivalency drawn between the crazies on the left to the crazies on the right. Many people naturally want to see things as a dichotomy with both side being equal. A great example is the "debate" between creationists and evolutionists. It's natural for people to see that and assume that both sides have valid arguments and are on equal footing. In that case nothing could be further from the truth. Evolution has evidence and the scientific process. Creationists have stuff people wrote on leaves thousands of years ago with no understanding of the scientific process. They are not equal. In US politics we unfortunately have a two party political system. The right likes to foster the false equivalency when it comes to media manipulation, gerrymandering, and many other things, because it 'justifies' their bad acts under the guise of "turnabout is fair play". Again it is not true. The sides are far from equal. Not saying the left is completely innocent, but it would be like comparing an F1 car to a 1971 ford pinto. Whataboutism is more about deflecting the specific bad acts of one individual by pointing out equal bad acts of another on an opposing side. This is meant to excuse or distract one bad act with another. I didn't do that. I pointed out where the bad acts are on both sides to illustrate the inequality of the situation. I did this to help break people out of the natural tendency to equate two opposing sides in a dichotomy.
It's low hanging fruit. Political demonization is so easy and lazy and we all do it from time to time. I do it all the time to feel better about myself and blow off some steam when I'm bored. It's like masturbation because it means nothing to anyone except to the one engaging in it. Anyone that doesn't understand this is an extremist and delusional and dangerous.
I used to look at the world of extremes and assume that the truth lies in the middle. It does lie between the two extremes but rarely is it ever close to being near the middle.
Doh. I always knew that blaming something on Russia was just a propaganda and dodging responsibility by the real troublemakers.
How is the Fed's monetary policy coming along? Can structural crisis be ever fixed by the Fed's "tightening"?
You started the debate. The topic was, and still is, leftist extremists doing the censoring/influencing/meddling. You turned it into the textbook definition of whataboutism, which you continue in this post.
Exactly, and centrists love you to think the answer is always in the middle. That somehow results in the centrist position always being correct. 🤔