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Until you are one of those people that are accused of doing something wrong.

IMO, the line that must be crossed by this or any following steps the government takes, is that there needs to be evidence that it's systematically being used to arrest and detain innocent people.
 
Did you even read the article?

"The technology is aimed at locating cellphones linked to individuals under investigation by the government, including fugitives and drug dealers, but it collects information on cellphones belonging to people who aren't criminal suspects, these people said. They said the device determines which phones belong to suspects and "lets go" of the non-suspect phones."

Policeman: "Oh, I'm sorry I kicked in your door. I wasn't sure which door belonged to the suspected bad guy, so I had to kick in everyone in the building's door. Carry on. BTW: Nice boxer shorts."

Really "kicked down"... Great exaggeration.

Your phone needs to send identifying info to the carrier so you can get on / get billed. Unless they cross reference the info with your actual account with that carrier, they only get a bunch of numbers. They would know were those numbers go, but unless putting your name to it, it wouldn't be much use. The government gets more info from your mac address than this (unless you spoof it).

I'm guessing they already have the account info for those individuals they track from warrants but they wouldn't have info of everyone at large.
 
I find wholesale surveillance and data collection of the activities of the population without specific probable cause incredibly disturbing.

This latest example demonstrates that the US is deeply committed and has devoted significant resources to this policy. There is assuredly much, much more in the shadows than we'll ever know, and this situation won't just go away but in fact will intensify.

And bravo to the WSJ for breaking the story. Let hope investigative journalism will see a resurgence.
 
Since I am not doing anything wrong there is no need for that.. see how that works? Without probable cause they can't do that. With probable cause they can anyway whether you like it or not so...

Since when did the law, or constitution, stop our government...

It's autonomous and independent. Above all laws and rights.

I want to be free. If a roadside bomb gets me, on a US street, at least I died free. The DOJ wants us to think they are looking for whom exactly? Jaywalkers, chemists, Taliban, someone who wasn't kind and didn't rewind? Give me a break. Preemptive policing strips everyone's rights. If there is someone bad enough to warrant such actions, I'm sure they know exactly where, and what, they are doing.

Why can't we just agree to let them operate drones in the USA? I have no problem with them firing a hellfire missile up a terrorists ass, just stop snooping my ****. Go after someone that deserves it. Stop fishing.
 
our enemies don't have borders anymore.

And we don't either, if you look at the state of immigration in this country or this upcoming illegal amnesty act our King is threatening to enact.

If our enemies don't have borders and we don't either, what does that make us?
 
Since when did the law, or constitution, stop our government...

It's autonomous and independent. Above all laws and rights.

I want to be free. If a roadside bomb gets me, on a US street, at least I died free. The DOJ wants us to think they are looking for whom exactly? Jaywalkers, chemists, Taliban, someone who wasn't kind and didn't rewind? Give me a break. Preemptive policing strips everyone's rights. If there is someone bad enough to warrant such actions, I'm sure they know exactly where, and what, they are doing.

Why can't we just agree to let them operate drones in the USA? I have no problem with them firing a hellfire missile up a terrorists ass, just stop snooping my ****. Go after someone that deserves it. Stop fishing.

How is this limiting your freedom? Please explain.

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And we don't either, if you look at the state of immigration in this country or this upcoming illegal amnesty act our King is threatening to enact.

If our enemies don't have borders and we don't either, what does that make us?

A planet. 1 species. :rolleyes:
 
They should fly those planes over the banks, see how many criminal's phones they pick up then.

...oh wait a second.
 
new this was too good to be true..

Just one more way the governments can track you,, that's all it is...

And its supposed to be convenient..

I wouldn't bet this is true,,,, Governments are cable of anything, If is fake, then shame on them.

Look out NSA.. more juicy stuff is coming your way.

This is why i would never phone calls or take any on a plane.... I'm relaxing here,,, u cannot relax if u'r been pestered by your boss.

Because I'm so worried about my government tracking me... Oh no, got to put our tinfoil hats back on!

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This is a two-edged sword: very effective and very much subject to horrific abuse.

Yeah because big brother's got nothing better to do than harass law-abiding, contributing to society, tax paying citizens. Don't think you need to worry.
 
I have no problem with this. We've been monitored forever so if they wanted to do something specific to any citizen, it would have been done by now. I see nothing wrong with it in the era or terrorism. Its getting closer and closer to home so what ever it takes to protect my family, I'm okay with it.

Heck they could have even given an announcement written and auditory stating that if cell phones or transmitting devices are used during flights, data shall be monitored to ensure safety of the flight.

Like someone already posted before, from our first US Postmaster General:

Ben Franklin said:
Those who would give up Essential Liberty, to purchase a little Temporary safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Would you give up your freedoms for more protection? From this, it sounds like you would. This is why we have our Constitution; to protect ourselves from the government.

BL.
 
Perhaps someone can explain this to me. It sounds like they are just able to gather phone hardware info like the UDID and perhaps active number. There isn't anything special in the box that can read the data on the phone. And if this is true why is the article singling iPhones with comments about iOS and encryption.

Yeah having your phones location is not so awesome, if they can pin point it is your phone. But isn't that why most criminals use burner numbers. If the cops don't know your number it's harder to track your phone
 
At the risk of Big Brother learning my fav fap sites, I'll take the free internet service coming from that Cesna overhead, thank you.
 
Are you ********** kidding me?!

We've got all the pieces in place for a police state, including complacency. Just need someone with a white cat and a mommy complex to flip the switch.
 
Whenever there are news like this there are a lot of people claiming it's no problem because they are "doing nothing wrong". Who defines what is "wrong"? Who defines what is "something to hide"? These people? You who reads this post? Me? Nope, it's the current and future governments. And if someone truly believes governments or officials never make mistakes or do something that is against the interest of the people then this person has zero historical knowledge and is simply incredibly naive. Go read a book about what various governments did in the 20th century alone, and then think again if you want anybody with this kind of total surveillance technology.
 
Put another way, why can't a private individual legally spoof a cell tower?

Because you can't get an FCC transmitter license for those frequencies. Not even to jam noisy neighbors in a movie theatre.

But you can direction find them using a receiver. You can even find cheap USB DVB/SDR receivers on Amazon. and do it using your own MacBook.
 
My sister says the same thing... which is not the point...

It's privacy.... the word wouldn't exist and not even mean anyting, if you allow everyone access to your stuff.

Which is why users use VPN's. Yes they are hiding something, but its because of privacy is needed, not just a word everyone makes up because it sounds good.

The same applies to everyone.... you shouldn't choose who has access to what based on when higher ups.'

to me, privacy is privacy.. unlike most people who get scared just because the police wanna know something,,, to me,,, the moment u hand it over, its no longer "private' , its known by someone else.

I do give info up, but only when i decide to, regardless who it it....

Privacy, the way you think of it, is really an English cultural phenomenon, hundreds of years old. People not of that background, except maybe Japanese, don't really get it, or give a damn. Given demographic trends in the US, privacy is done, gone and won't return. Get used to it there's nothing you can do. Within reason that is.
 
If you're not doing anything wrong then I suppose you don't mind letting police into your home and letting them search your phone, email and hard drives. Shouldn't be a problem. You're not doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to hide.

No reason to come into your home according to my buddy at RAND. Why bother with face to face.

Even this message goes gets stored in a database somewhere.

Get over it. You'd have to disconnect from the net, your phone and drive a car made before 2005 to avoid data collecting.
 
Privacy, the way you think of it, is really an English cultural phenomenon, hundreds of years old. People not of that background, except maybe Japanese, don't really get it, or give a damn. Given demographic trends in the US, privacy is done, gone and won't return. Get used to it there's nothing you can do. Within reason that is.

People not of that background mostly lived under brutal dictatorships for the past hundreds of years. I bet they do "give a damn". Or you think they liked it that way? Or would you like it that way? What's stopping you from moving to North Korea?
 
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